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'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System
#5869670 - 07/17/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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5-year-old 'girl' starting school is really a boy!
Broward County schools' progressive policy on transgendered children will be tested by the admission to kindergarten this fall of a boy who believes that he's a girl.
BY ROBERTO SANTIAGO rsantiago@MiamiHerald.com
NCLR FAMILY ATTORNEY: Karen Doering specializes in defending the rights of people who are transgendered, gay, bisexual or lesbian. On the Web | Equality Florida: Report Discrimination On the Web | Children with Gender Identity Disorder On the Web | Gay and Lesbian Medical Association On the Web | Equality Florida On the Web | International Association One little girl entering Broward County kindergarten this fall is actually a boy.
Few will know this genetic truth, because the 5-year-old's parents and school administrators have agreed that it's in his best interest to blend in as a female.
Mental health professionals have diagnosed Pat -- not his real name -- with gender dysphoria, a condition in which a person believes that he or she is the opposite gender. After two years of examination, they have determined that he is not simply effeminate or going through a phase.
'Gender dysphoria can take place during a fetus' development in the womb,'' said noted gender specialist and sexologist Marilyn Volker, Ph.D., of Miami.
While this tyke is likely the youngest transgendered child admitted to a South Florida school, he is not unique. Both the Broward and Miami-Dade County school systems have policies in place to smooth the way for such students and their families.
Equality Florida, which advocates for Florida's gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community, and PFLAG -- Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays -- say the two school districts have the most progressive policies in the state.
Broward and Miami-Dade are among the most exemplary school districts ''when it comes to the rights of transgendered people,'' said Tobias Packer, South Florida Field Organizer for Equality Florida, who himself is transgendered.
Carole Benowitz, Florida state coordinator for PFLAG, agrees. Her adult son is gay.
Benowitz said that two years ago -- at a Broward high school she declined to name -- she was called in after a group of boys beat up another student, whom they believed to be an effeminate boy. In fact, the victim was transgendered -- a biological female who looked, dressed and behaved like a male. Benowitz was brought in to counsel the administrators, the students and the victim.
''People have an understanding of what it means to be gay or lesbian -- but when they hear that a person is genetically one gender but lives as another gender, that threatens a number of people because they don't understand what that means,'' Benowitz said. ``And that misunderstanding can make lives very difficult for transgendered children and their parents.''
''In addition to behaving like the opposite sex, a person with gender dysphoria naturally relates to the opposite sex,'' Volker said. ``They also have a persistent and recurring discomfort with their own external body parts and genitalia because it does not match their internal gender identity. Simply said, they were born into the wrong body.''
FEMININE LOOK
The soon-to-be kindergartner looks quite feminine, cartwheeling around the yard and playing with dolls. Pat says he hates his penis, and he refuses to wear boys' clothing.
He and his three older siblings -- two girls and a boy -- live in a middle-class Broward County neighborhood with their father, an attorney, and their mother, who has a master's degree in counseling.
Pat's parents had never heard of gender dysphoria until they took their child for treatment. He was insisting that he was a girl, and often tried to hide his penis between his legs.
After long consultation with a team of pediatric endocrinologists and therapists, then with school officials, the parents decided that it was in Pat's best interest to live as a girl.
''The school officials have agreed to continue working with the family and medical professionals to help create an environment that will maximize the child's ability to learn and grow within the school system,'' said family attorney Karen Doering, who specializes in defending the rights of people who are transgendered, gay, bisexual or lesbian.
Gender dysphoria -- called gender identity disorder by the American Psychiatric Association -- is commonly misunderstood today, much as homosexuality was 50 years ago.
Although the association has not taken a formal position, the scientific community is increasingly determining that it could be a genetic condition, not a mental disorder.
At the school, teachers and the principal are prepared. The child will use unisex bathroom facilities, will be addressed by a unisex name -- not Pat -- and has been asked to dress in gender-neutral clothing, such as shorts or pants and a shirt.
School officials said this is standard practice in Broward and Miami-Dade for helping transgendered children fit in.
''The policies the districts have in place are progressive,'' Benowitz said. ``They both aim to ensure that transgendered students are treated like any other students, and take direct action when misunderstanding or violence take place.''
Leah Kelly, executive director of student support services and exceptional student education for the Broward school system, could not comment on any specific case.
``But I will say the Broward school system has admitted transgendered children before, and that it is a private matter between the parents, school administrators and the child.''
Discretion plays a great role in protecting transgendered children and the privacy of their parents, Kelly said. The objective is for them to blend in, she said.
Tony Valido, an educational specialist in the Miami-Dade schools Division of Student Services, said that Miami-Dade's approach to helping transgendered children goes one step further -- simply because there is a greater need.
MIAMI-DADE DIVERSITY
''Unlike Broward, Miami-Dade has a more diverse population of students,'' Valido said. That's especially true in high school, where there are a number of openly transgendered teens, mostly boys who believe they are girls.
Each Miami-Dade high school has a Sexual Minority Network where students who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered can turn to an in-house counselor or teacher for help.
That means advice on trying to fit in and understand who they are, said Valido, who added that there have been no reported incidents of violence or bullying.
The network has been in place for at least 15 years. Valido said that in the last few years, sexual-minority students have become more vocal.
''Sexual-minority students are coming out younger and younger, as early as 10,'' said Valido, who hopes the Sexual Minority Network will be expanded to middle schools next year.
It's not clear how many transgendered children are in the system. The U.S. Department of Education does not maintain statistics on the number of transgendered children in the school system, nor are schools asked to report it.
Some parents of transgendered children worry that societal revulsion, fear and anger could prompt someone to call a social-service agency, such as the Florida Department of Children & Families. A complaint that a little boy is being sent to school in girl's clothing could lead to accusations of abuse and neglect, they fear.
Those fears are not unrealistic, said Abbie Cuellar, an attorney specializing in child welfare issues.
''The parents must make sure that documentation on behalf of their child is ready and continuously updated,'' Cuellar said. ``Gender dysphoria is greatly misunderstood, and all it takes is one well-meaning but ignorant person to start making calls.''
But Gary Gershowitz, a spokesman for the Department of Children & Families in Tallahassee, said that parents of transgender children in Florida have nothing to fear.
''Documented gender dysphoria does not rise to the level of abuse or neglect,'' Gershowitz said. ``Anyone can call and file abuse for any reason. But in a worst-case scenario, a child protection investigator would look for signs of physical abuse or squalor, because it is the safety of the child that is of concern. If none is found -- and especially if there is documentation of gender dysphoria -- the case would be closed.''
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15003026.htm
This poor kid is FUCKED....
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
#5869720 - 07/17/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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A 5 year old is pretty much only what his parents have made him.
How sad for him.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
#5869732 - 07/17/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I started reading this line and I was thinking WTF?
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Broward and Miami-Dade are among the most exemplary school districts
Then i finsihed the sentence and i thought to myself, figures.
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''when it comes to the rights of transgendered people,'' said Tobias Packer, South Florida Field Organizer for Equality Florida, who himself is transgendered.
And yes that kid is fucked.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#5869773 - 07/17/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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A 5 year old is pretty much only what his parents have made him.
'Gender dysphoria can take place during a fetus' development in the womb,'' said noted gender specialist and sexologist Marilyn Volker, Ph.D., of Miami.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
#5869785 - 07/17/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know as well as I that there are differing opinions.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
#5869790 - 07/17/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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My heart goes out to this poor kid, what a horrible life he/she has in store. I can only imagine what I would have thought if my first school yard sweet heart turned out to actually be a boy. This child is a product of radical feminism, our perverted society, and of course the parents.
I think home schooling would be in his/her best interest.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#5869803 - 07/17/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know as well as I that there are differing opinions.
Of course, but your opinion that this is caused by the parents smacks of those who say things like that gays are made by their environment or that they chose to be gay instead of straight.
The truth is that more and more evidence is being found suggesting these things are based in biology, not environment.
Also, to refute your opinion, it's interesting to note that the parents are raising three normal siblings (two girls and a boy) side by side with the transgendered girl.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
#5869829 - 07/17/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What happens if the little girl stops hating her Penis ( she figures out where she can put it)? Will she be a Lesbian?????
Edited by lonestar2004 (07/17/06 04:25 PM)
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
#5869832 - 07/17/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Time for gender reassignment.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
#5869839 - 07/17/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still have no idea why the implications of one's behavior/outlook change depending on whether it is the product of genes, environment, or something else.
Why does it matter where something is based. You either think its right, wrong, or in between. None of this changes the way someone is.
And I think even if the root cause of his genger dysphoria was genetics, his environment failed him. Genetics doesn't make a 5 year old hate his dick, tuck it in, and want to wear girl clothes.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
#5869851 - 07/17/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gender dysphoria is not Tranvestism.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5869864 - 07/17/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: Gender dysphoria is not Tranvestism.
Good job not even reading the article. Serriously, A+ work.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
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The truth is that more and more evidence is being found suggesting these things are based in biology, not environment.
Sorry, but there is no consensus.
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Also, to refute your opinion, it's interesting to note that the parents are raising three normal siblings (two girls and a boy) side by side with the transgendered girl.
Yes, and parents never ever never treat one child different than the rest.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
#5869900 - 07/17/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The truth is that more and more evidence is being found suggesting these things are based in biology, not environment.

"The author reports on 37 children who are being raised by female homosexuals or by parents who have changed sex (transsexuals): 21 by female homosexuals, 7 by male-to-female transsexuals, and 9 by female- to-male transsexuals. The children range in age from 3 to 20 years (mean = 9.3) and have lived in the sexually atypical households for 1- 16 years (mean = 4.9). Thirty-six of the children report or recall childhood toy, game, clothing, and peer group preferences that are typical for their sex. The 13 older children who report erotic fantasies or overt sexual behaviors are all heterosexually oriented." (Emphasis added)
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
#5869905 - 07/17/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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d33p said:
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MushmanTheManic said: Gender dysphoria is not Tranvestism.
Good job not even reading the article. Serriously, A+ work.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
#5869913 - 07/17/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still have no idea why the implications of one's behavior/outlook change depending on whether it is the product of genes, environment, or something else.
It changes because how society deals with this is in large part a product of how society believes it is caused.
If the kid is perceived as a pervert, she will be shunned. If the kid is perceived as an unlucky victim of genetics, she will be treated differently.
Not to mention the reaction of religious zealots who have a hard time accepting things like the idea that gays have no choice but to be gay any more than straights have a choice.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said: The truth is that more and more evidence is being found suggesting these things are based in biology, not environment.

"The author reports on 37 children who are being raised by female homosexuals or by parents who have changed sex (transsexuals): 21 by female homosexuals, 7 by male-to-female transsexuals, and 9 by female- to-male transsexuals. The children range in age from 3 to 20 years (mean = 9.3) and have lived in the sexually atypical households for 1- 16 years (mean = 4.9). Thirty-six of the children report or recall childhood toy, game, clothing, and peer group preferences that are typical for their sex. The 13 older children who report erotic fantasies or overt sexual behaviors are all heterosexually oriented." (Emphasis added)
Not that im refuting what the author believed or was trying to prove but that study proves exactly jack shit. That "evidence" is gay(bad joke).
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
#5869933 - 07/17/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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that study proves exactly jack shit
No scientific study ever proves anything. All scientific studies do is support or refute a proposition.
To date, there are many studies supporting the notion that gender identity and orientation are (at least in large part) a function of genetics. More are completed all the time. Very few (if any) go the other way.
How many studies reaching this same conclusion do you require before you will accept it as a likely truth?
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: that study proves exactly jack shit
No scientific study ever proves anything. All scientific studies do is support or refute a proposition.
To date, there are many studies supporting the notion that gender identity and orientation are (at least in large part) a function of genetics. More are completed all the time. Very few (if any) go the other way.
How many studies reaching this same conclusion do you require before you will accept it as a likely truth?
How about a study with a sample that doesn't make it statistically insignificant. I don't give a shit about the subject to be honest so i don't know about the claimed abundance of other studies. He choose to reference a study which in my opinion seems worthless. I'll look at actual scientific research on the matter and if they can make a case for it, then great. It would be interesting to know actually what causes it. But still it doesn't change a single thing.
Whether environment or genetics causes something shouldn't change your opinion about it.
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
#5869971 - 07/17/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, if people can be genetically predisposed to something like homosexuality, can the same be said for violence, or crime??
I thought it was environment(poverty) that caused much crime and violence. Liberals always contradict themselves.
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