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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5874056 - 07/18/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I've never heard of any 2-year-old (until now) whose vocabulary included "penis" and "vagina".

The sexual precocity of this child probably contributed to his diagnosis.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5874066 - 07/18/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They encouraged his behavior because they thought it was a phase. That to me is bad parenting. They ruined the kid as far I'm concerned.

If the child truly has Gender dysphoria, the parents did the correct thing. No amount of "good parenting" can prevent a neuropathological syndrome that develops in the womb.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5874091 - 07/18/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"swayed by an activist transsexual agenda"

I'm surprised you've unwittingly uncovered the latest Liberal terror tactic. It seems the Pinkos are encouraging gender bending in a planned effort to confuse, thus demoralizing and weakening, the righteous Conservatives. I suspect many Liberals are contingent homosexuals themselves, but this is another matter entirely. We must eradicate the pervasive transsexual influence that threatens to destroy These Great States.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5874100 - 07/18/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"swayed by an activist transsexual agenda"

I'm surprised you've unwittingly uncovered the latest Liberal terror tactic. It seems the Pinkos are encouraging gender bending in a planned effort to confuse, thus demoralizing and weakening, the righteous Conservatives. I suspect many Liberals are contingent homosexuals themselves, but this is another matter entirely. We must eradicate the pervasive transsexual influence that threatens to destroy These Great States.



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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5874103 - 07/18/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I have answered that: I said I would do whatever the doctor suggested. If he suggested that, then yes.





So you would call a doctor right away if your son did anything strange concerning gender/sex? What do you think the doctor is gonna say to you while your standing in front of your kid with one hand on the phone and one hand tugging a dress awawy from your two year old.....

You don't seem to be getting the question. The parents encouraged the behavior and then it exacerbated to a certain point at which time they got in touch with doctors. I'm talking about at the first signs of the behavior. Would you have done the same as the parents or discouraged/stop the behavior or called the shrink you must have on speed dial as your answer seems to indicate?

And how would you know what doctor to call so you can follow their directions? You can find a doctor to support anything, you should know that.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5874122 - 07/18/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't see much harm in a boy dressing up in women's clothes. In fact, at first I'd think it was rather cute and funny, and would probably take pictures. If it became a bigger issue, as it clearly did, I would call a doctor that I trust, just as any good parent would. You seem to be implying that they intentionally called a quack who would support the idea that the child had gender dysphoria. I find such a notion laughable.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5874220 - 07/18/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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They encouraged his behavior because they thought it was a phase. That to me is bad parenting. They ruined the kid as far I'm concerned.

If the child truly has Gender dysphoria, the parents did the correct thing. No amount of "good parenting" can prevent a neuropathological syndrome that develops in the womb.




An opinion which not everyone shares. However, this is not the issue. The kid no longer has just gender dysphoria, it developed into something more possibliy due to encouragement. Could the dysfunction be corrected with the proper help and parenting? Maybe, maybe not. The only one harmed by not trying is the little kid.

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The Andersons called Marcia Schultz, a psychologist in Coral Springs. One session with Nicholas, who was then three, convinced Schultz that he had a form of GID.

"Nicholas is a transsexual who wants to be a woman," Schultz says.

After meeting with Schultz and Wright, the Andersons began allowing Nicholas to act and dress like a girl in the safety of their home or in the anonymity of the grocery store or at Disney World. That summer, Nicholas' camp even allowed him to wear a girl's bathing suit. But at preschool, Nicholas remained a boy and seemed satisfied with relegating his girl time to afterschool hours. Until he turned five.





They seemed to have made up their minds rather quick and sudden on such a complicated and difficult issue, dontcha think?

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Kenneth Zucker, a psychologist who has treated hundreds of young Gender Identity Disorder children at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health at the University of Toronto, is a well-known proponent of modifying behavior. He advises that children with GID undergo therapy to work through their hatred of their bodies before being accepted as transsexuals. His clinical research shows that he has an 80 to 90 percent success rate of steering young GID children away from living as trans adults. Gay and transsexual groups are harshly critical of Zucker, saying that his work encourages religious-right organizations that seek to "cure" gays of their homosexuality. But Zucker himself has taken pains to separate himself and his work from those organizations.

Told of the Andersons and their plans to enroll Nicole in school as a girl, Zucker says he's concerned that the Andersons have been swayed by an activist transsexual agenda and are ignoring the possibility that Nicole might simply be a troubled child. "Let's see if there are ways to try and help this child work this through," he says. "Instead, they're going to cement this in more and more." He says that what the Andersons are doing could be considered "some type of emotional neglect."




I'm sure Zucker is just one of those crazy conservative conspiracy nuts you mentioned. What does he know, he is only another doctor.

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Meyer-Bahlburg is more ambivalent. "Force doesn't really work very well. On the other hand, I don't feel clear about strong encouragement in the transgender direction, because the vast majority of kids fall out of it," he says. When he treats GID boys, he advises his patients to beef up boyish activities and play with carefully selected male playmates.

The Andersons, however, side with experts who consider children like Nicole transsexuals. Lauren attended the annual Philadelphia Trans-health Conference this January, where gender-variant children was a main topic and the subject of panels such as one titled "How Young Is Too Young?" Most parents at the conference seemed to agree that it's never too early to support a child as a transsexual, even at age five.

"I would never want to force any person to be something they're not," says Tom Anderson, Nicole's father. "This is different from 'It's time to stop drinking chocolate milk from a baba' or taking away a blanket. This is the essence of the person."





Would you agree that what the father says is liberal hogwash? The kid is three, does that means you can force him to do everything else the "right" way, but something so important as their sexual identity, "their essence," should be left up to the kid and single minded people so he can be fucked up and alienated for the rest of his life?

And it really looks theirs minds are soundly made up. It doesn't even seem like they bothered to get much of a second opinion. I'll tell you, my kid would have deservered more than just a second opinion.

The possibliy that the Andersons have been swayed by an activist transsexual agenda doesn't sound so far fetched to me.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5874269 - 07/18/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I wouldn't see much harm in a boy dressing up in women's clothes. In fact, at first I'd think it was rather cute and funny, and would probably take pictures. If it became a bigger issue, as it clearly did, I would call a doctor that I trust, just as any good parent would. You seem to be implying that they intentionally called a quack who would support the idea that the child had gender dysphoria. I find such a notion laughable.




Read this. Was this good parenting? Would you have done what the parents did here?

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"At first, I thought it was cute," she explains. "I don't have a problem putting nail polish on a little boy. I don't have a problem if my son plays with dolls. His older brothers went through a similar period of doll playing and asking for nail polish on their toes. There's no reason to say no to a phase. I never once said 'no.' A phase is a phase."

So baby Nicholas was allowed to wear high heels. To play with Little Mermaid and Barbie dolls. To grow his hair a little longer. But instead of being satisfied with these concessions, Nicholas always asked for more. One day, he asked for something his parents weren't expecting.

Lauren was sitting at her computer working when two-year-old Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomy, came to her with a request: "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina," he said.





And no where did i imply that they intentionally called a quack who would support the idea that the child had gender dysphoria. How you came to that conclusion is sad to say the least.

What they did however was go to one nearby Shrink who after one meeting was convinced that the kid had a form of GID. From there they started meeting transsexual's and similarly minded groups leading them to only be exposed to one possibility. Acceptance. It seems that they were content with only believing in this one possiblity which in my mind is wrong.

In this case there are doctors who support both sides. How do you choose which doctor to believe? Wouldn't it ultimately end up being your decision and not a doctors?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5874340 - 07/18/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see any evidence of the parents encouraging anything.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5874386 - 07/18/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't see any evidence of the parents encouraging anything.




Blind?

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"At first, I thought it was cute," she explains. "I don't have a problem putting nail polish on a little boy. I don't have a problem if my son plays with dolls. His older brothers went through a similar period of doll playing and asking for nail polish on their toes. There's no reason to say no to a phase. I never once said 'no.' A phase is a phase."

So baby Nicholas was allowed to wear high heels. To play with Little Mermaid and Barbie dolls. To grow his hair a little longer. But instead of being satisfied with these concessions, Nicholas always asked for more. One day, he asked for something his parents weren't expecting.

Lauren was sitting at her computer working when two-year-old Nicholas, who, like all the Anderson children, had a frank understanding of anatomy, came to her with a request: "I want the fairy princess to come and make my penis into a vagina," he said.




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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5874390 - 07/18/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You seem to confuse a lack of discouragement with encouragement.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5874397 - 07/18/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see any encouragement. Should normal parents be horrified beyond capacity at the first sight of Barbie or something?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5874398 - 07/18/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I find it troubling when parents try to stamp out self-expression in their children, and become anal about them being normal.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5874438 - 07/18/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You guys seem to be delusional. You also don't seem to have the capacity to grasp the meanings of encourage.

If a kid wants something he can't get and you give it to him, you are encouraging him to pursue that act. Are you guys really that far gone?

Maybe I should ask my sister about the matter. She is in her senior year at UM pursuing a BSED with an emphasis on child psychology.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5874474 - 07/18/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Does she have an anti-LGBT bias?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5874493 - 07/18/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Does she have an anti-LGBT bias?




Not at all. However, why should it matter? A question could be phrased without including specifics.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5874506 - 07/18/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You'd be surprised how often political views conflict with science


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5874649 - 07/18/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, it's sad that the kid has to live with gender dysphoria, but I'm glad that at least the kid has loving, supportive parents. I'd hate to see what would happen if some of the people in this thread were the child's parents.




if you think twisting a kids mind to suit a politically correct sexual trend is being 'loving' then i damn well hope you are sterile


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: quiver]
    #5874656 - 07/18/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Gender dysphoria is not a trend


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5874682 - 07/18/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I've addressed what I can.  But let me ask you a question:  Since you're so smart, what would you do with a child who had gender dysphoria?  Personally, I'd follow the doctor's advice.




personally i'd wonder where i went wrong and the best thing between a shrink and a child is distance,a 'smart' counselor told me that one :smirk:


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