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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5870196 - 07/17/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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*sigh* Humans can be such intolerant little buggers.




I guess so.

IMO those so called "Progressive" parents should be in jail. (child in therapy since the age of three) :thumbdown:




In a perfect world it would be you who would be thrown in jail. But I suppose that would violate your civil liberties.




Could I at least get some counseling for my 5 year old girl gender dysphoria phobe before i was put in prison????


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870199 - 07/17/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

1.  I'm not a "dude."  :grin:  (I don't have a penis, either.)

2.  This child's behavior went beyond occasionally wearing a dress.  The parents met with pediatric endocrinologists, therapists and school officials, all of whom came to the consensus that it would be better for "Pat" to be identified as a girl.

What other options would you suggest?  Should the parents just "wait it out" through Pat's childhood?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870207 - 07/17/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
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*sigh* Humans can be such intolerant little buggers.




I guess so.

IMO those so called "Progressive" parents should be in jail. (child in therapy since the age of three) :thumbdown:




Yeah, if my toddler kept insisting that "he" was a girl, hiding his penis between his legs, and became upset about living in a body which society declares does not "match" the person inside, I would just give him a time-out & tell him to "GET OVER IT." 

Good parents know that they should crush any signs of non-normative behavior ASAP, and avoid counseling at all costs.  :rolleyes:




Dude I have worked with 3 year old boys that put on girls dresses. I did not think it was unusual. The fucking kid was 3 years old. What the fuck do they know.

I guess I should have sent all those boys to therapy!




Most males when they're that age do that, usually with their mother's clothes. There's a difference between that and a child who is consistently dysphoric about their gender identity. Get a clue.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5870246 - 07/17/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Get a clue."


some of the young boys put on dresses AND played with dolls! Is that gender dysphoria?

Sorry i will never understand a 3-5 year old being diagnosed with dysphoria phobe.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870271 - 07/17/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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some of the young boys put on dresses AND played with dolls! Is that gender dysphoria?




It might be, it might not. If it is consistent, probably.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5870285 - 07/17/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When I was 5, I don't think I even knew there were other options besides a penis. I guess I've probably seen my mom nude when I was a little kid but I don't remember having the psychological ability and knowledge of the other sex to decide that I want to be a girl and hate my penis because I really want a vagina. I just played with whatever toys my parents bought me. You don't really do much soul-searching at that age, you pretty much do whatever people teach you because thats all you know.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Catalysis]
    #5870294 - 07/17/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When I was 5, I don't think I even knew there were other options besides a penis.

Many kids aren't this slow.  :shrug:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870301 - 07/17/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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When I was 5, I don't think I even knew there were other options besides a penis.

Many kids aren't this slow.  :shrug:




You must be pretty smart to have known what a vagina is while you were still in the womb.  I bet you are quite the ladies man.  :wink:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870307 - 07/17/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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When I was 5, I don't think I even knew there were other options besides a penis.

Many kids aren't this slow.  :shrug:




hahahahaha Catalysis if only had some "PROGRESSIVE" parents :crazy2:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Catalysis]
    #5870317 - 07/17/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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When I was 5, I don't think I even knew there were other options besides a penis.

Many kids aren't this slow.  :shrug:




You must be pretty smart to have known what a vagina is while you were still in the womb.  I bet you are quite the ladies man.  :wink:




If you knew anything of human biology, you would know that there is a fetal stage when the gender is physiologically undetermined (hence why males have nipples).


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870343 - 07/17/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What the hell is "dysphoria phobe"??  :confused: 

A phobia involves extreme fear of something...are you trying to say that "Pat" has a fear of male genitalia?

Dysphoria means "An emotional state characterized by anxiety, depression, or unease."  As Pat's gender assignment was a source of unease and depression, Pat was diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5870345 - 07/17/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If you knew anything of human biology, you would know that there is a fetal stage when the gender is physiologically undetermined (hence why males have nipples).




Right, and he is physiologically a male. I thought this was covered in the first sentance of the article.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Catalysis]
    #5870358 - 07/17/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Physiologically he is a male, but that doesn't mean there is psychological combobulation.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870363 - 07/17/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, if you had the luxury of having "progressive" parents, your life could be fucked up too!

There is nothing wrong with having an open mind, but I think the word progressive says it all. So when being trans gender is normal, what will be progressive from that point, where does the progressive ideology end?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870393 - 07/17/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So when being trans gender is normal

Why are so many people so hung up on the word 'normal'.

Normal is anyone who is happy. This little girl is currently happy, but that wont last long when she enters the real world and start running into 'normal' people like you who know better than she how she should behave. :sad:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870419 - 07/17/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Oh your so wise, and I am just an ignorant bigot. NORMAL IS BEING ABLE TO PROCREATE, THAT IS NORMAL. IMO


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870437 - 07/17/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, according to the APA, if someone has a positive self image they are by definition psychologically healthy.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870444 - 07/17/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

She hates her penis. That doesn't sound like happy nor normal to me.

Some of you liberals go overboard with positivity.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870448 - 07/17/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

this issue raises some good questions:

1. is it unethical to misrepresent your gender?
2. should the government be gender blind?
3. if the government does make distinctions on the base of gender, should they be based on what's between a person's legs or what's between their ears?

personally i don't have a big issue with what's going on here. so the kid thinks of himself as a girl and would rather have a girl's body. a little pathological maybe, but who's being harmed? i feel bad for the kid.

one part of the story mentioned that the child "hates his penis". if this were a female child who dressed as a boy, acted as a boy, wanted to be a boy, and hated her vagina, she wouldn't be reinforced like this boy. she'd be hailed as a victim of pervasive misogyny and given counciling to help her accept her identity as a female. when it's a boy who wants to be a girl, they don't bother with any of that. i think that's a valid prediction, and while i don't know the specifics of this kid's situation, or who these adults are, it worries me that they might be letting their biases get in the way of the kid's best interests.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870452 - 07/17/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Oh your so wise, and I am just an ignorant bigot.  :smirk:


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