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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5870003 - 07/17/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Whether environment or genetics causes something shouldn't change your opinion about it.

I agree, but that doesn't stop religious zealots and homophobes from persecuting people like this little girl. Imagine if instead of to two progressive parents she was born into a 'preacher household'. If you think this little girl is in for a hard life, imagine how much worse societal ignorance could make it.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870012 - 07/17/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, if people can be genetically predisposed to something like homosexuality, can the same be said for violence, or crime??

Wow, you're going far afield here. We're talking about a little girl born into a boy's body, not violent criminals.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870023 - 07/17/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

HAHAHA you missed my point completely.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870064 - 07/17/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
You know as well as I that there are differing opinions.

Of course, but your opinion that this is caused by the parents smacks of those who say things like that gays are made by their environment or that they chose to be gay instead of straight.

The truth is that more and more evidence is being found suggesting these things are based in biology, not environment.

Also, to refute your opinion, it's interesting to note that the parents are raising three normal siblings (two girls and a boy) side by side with the transgendered girl.




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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004] * 1
    #5870094 - 07/17/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Gender and sex are not the same thing, and it is Western society's fixation on our gender behavior matching up with our genitalia that is the problem here--not the child in the article.

The history of a "third sex" or transgendered people goes back thousands of years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

*sigh* Humans can be such intolerant little buggers.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870101 - 07/17/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Whether environment or genetics causes something shouldn't change your opinion about it.

I agree, but that doesn't stop religious zealots and homophobes from persecuting people like this little girl. Imagine if instead of to two progressive parents she was born into a 'preacher household'. If you think this little girl is in for a hard life, imagine how much worse societal ignorance could make it.




I just want to make sure I understand your POV here. After a few of your posts talking about modern science and how we are "learning new things", postulating that this boy was given this 'disorder' in the womb, after all of that scientific stuff that you posted, you now call a human with a functioning penis and testicles a "girl"? Is their some reason for this? Did the definition change recently?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870104 - 07/17/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Gershowitz and Berowitz are two of the big names from this, anyone want to guess what race, or shall we say "tribe", is behind this latest push at filth?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Veritas]
    #5870132 - 07/17/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
*sigh* Humans can be such intolerant little buggers.




I guess so.

IMO those so called "Progressive" parents should be in jail. (child in therapy since the age of three) :thumbdown:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5870135 - 07/17/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

xDuckYouSuckerx said:
Gershowitz and Berowitz are two of the big names from this, anyone want to guess what race, or shall we say "tribe", is behind this latest push at filth?



Um...These people are individuals, not some race or tribe.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870140 - 07/17/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
IMO those so called "Progressive" parents should be in jail. (child in therapy since the age of three) :thumbdown:



Ya, how dare they have a child with a genetic abnormality and not be a bunch of close-minded bigots about it! :mad:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5870143 - 07/17/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Don't be silly, obviously this action was the doing of the Nazi Party.  I mean, c'mon, Volker and Doering??? 

:rolleyes:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5870150 - 07/17/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

you now call a human with a functioning penis and testicles a "girl"?

I call her a girl out of respect.

She says she is a girl despite the penis. I respect her enough to follow through with her wishes to be addressed and treated as a girl.

Recall that she's been though extensive medical analysis by this point. The medical consensus is that her psyche is that of a girl and that this is not a phase she will outgrow.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5870152 - 07/17/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The Mom has a Masters in Sociology and the dad is a lawyer.......explains a lot.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870157 - 07/17/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

Veritas said:
*sigh* Humans can be such intolerant little buggers.




I guess so.

IMO those so called "Progressive" parents should be in jail. (child in therapy since the age of three) :thumbdown:




Yeah, if my toddler kept insisting that "he" was a girl, hiding his penis between his legs, and became upset about living in a body which society declares does not "match" the person inside, I would just give him a time-out & tell him to "GET OVER IT." 

Good parents know that they should crush any signs of non-normative behavior ASAP, and avoid counseling at all costs.  :rolleyes:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5870158 - 07/17/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
Quote:

xDuckYouSuckerx said:
Gershowitz and Berowitz are two of the big names from this, anyone want to guess what race, or shall we say "tribe", is behind this latest push at filth?



Um...These people are individuals, not some race or tribe.


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If only that were true. The "z" says it all. Why do they push this shit, even if this boy is like this, why is it always these people making a huge deal about it. Now all little boys who have played with a doll, or liked something feminine, can have the option of calling themselves girls. Our future work force/military are gonna be useless.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870159 - 07/17/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The Mom has a Masters in Sociology and the dad is a lawyer.......explains a lot.



Yes. People in the social sciences tend to have fewer redneck tendencies.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Diploid]
    #5870167 - 07/17/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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To date, there are many studies supporting the notion that gender identity and orientation are (at least in large part) a function of genetics. More are completed all the time. Very few (if any) go the other way.




I call bullshit on that. Are you trying to say that there are no studies showing the psychological causes of homosexuality? I am quite sure that it has been exhaustively studied and several external factors have been identified.

I think most support the idea that homosexuality can be caused buy a combination of external and biological factors. Also, I think the term "genetic" is purposely misleading in this case because it makes it seem as though there is some gay gene on a chromosome that can be flipped on or off. I think nearly all researchers agree that it is not that simple.

For instance, the DSM lists schizophrenia and bipolar disorder as possible genetic causes of gender dysphoria (which is still considered a mental illness). So you see that "genetic" here does not necessarily mean the same thing as say, the difference between blue and brown eyes. Im not saying there is anything wrong with it. I also don't see why people have the need to try to rationalize homosexuality by attributing it to genes.

Anyways, I think that 5 years old is why to young to diagnose someone with such a complicated condition, although there is such a thing as childhood sexual dysphoria. This would be like a psychologist diagnosing a 5 year-old as an alcoholic because he likes the taste of cough syrup.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5870170 - 07/17/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

Veritas said:
*sigh* Humans can be such intolerant little buggers.




I guess so.

IMO those so called "Progressive" parents should be in jail. (child in therapy since the age of three) :thumbdown:




In a perfect world it would be you who would be thrown in jail. But I suppose that would violate your civil liberties.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Veritas]
    #5870175 - 07/17/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
Quote:

Veritas said:
*sigh* Humans can be such intolerant little buggers.




I guess so.

IMO those so called "Progressive" parents should be in jail. (child in therapy since the age of three) :thumbdown:




Yeah, if my toddler kept insisting that "he" was a girl, hiding his penis between his legs, and became upset about living in a body which society declares does not "match" the person inside, I would just give him a time-out & tell him to "GET OVER IT." 

Good parents know that they should crush any signs of non-normative behavior ASAP, and avoid counseling at all costs.  :rolleyes:




Dude I have worked with 3 year old boys that put on girls dresses. I did not think it was unusual. The fucking kid was 3 years old. What the fuck do they know.

I guess I should have sent all those boys to therapy!


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870180 - 07/17/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
If only that were true. The "z" says it all. Why do they push this shit, even if this boy is like this, why is it always these people making a huge deal about it. 




Quote:

Carole Benowitz, Florida state coordinator for PFLAG




Quote:

Gary Gershowitz, a spokesman for the Department of Children & Families in Tallahassee




Hmmmm...neither of these individuals were in any way involved with identifying this child as transgendered, nor were they involved in the parent's action to get school support for this situation.

Both were asked for comments on the situation by the author of the article.  Both gave comments.  Yes, this must be a conspiracy by the "z" tribe.  :rolleyes:


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