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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5874694 - 07/18/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Gender dysphoria is not a trend




thats the greatness of a free world,we can all have different opinions


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: quiver]
    #5874723 - 07/18/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's fine, just keep it out of policy  :smirk:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Basilides]
    #5875100 - 07/18/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well when people like you irl try to encroach their self rightious twisted beliefs onto me,i'll do something about it besides type words:D


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5876229 - 07/19/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

An opinion which not everyone shares. However, this is not the issue. The kid no longer has just gender dysphoria, it developed into something more possibliy due to encouragement. Could the dysfunction be corrected with the proper help and parenting? Maybe, maybe not. The only one harmed by not trying is the little kid.

The parents may have facilitated the development of this syndrome, but to me it seems unlikely. It is not unusual for children to explore masculine and feminine roles, but generally, when the child hits puberty, the role for him or her is clearly defined. This child though is years away from puberty and has already defined his role as a female. It is possible that the child is terrible confused. It is also possible that this child truly has Gender dysphoria syndrome and his brain exhibits characteristics typical of a female brain.

Environment and genetics cannot be seperated, but if the first possibility is true, then the parents or other factors in the childs environment most likely caused this problem. If the second possibility is true, the problem was probably a result of a physiological problem that was mostly unaffected by parenting.

They seemed to have made up their minds rather quick and sudden on such a complicated and difficult issue, dontcha think?

This isn't just some kid who is effeminate and likes to play with dolls. When a boy talks about genital mutilation and the desire to be a woman, at the age of five, clearly something is very wrong.

I'm sure Zucker is just one of those crazy conservative conspiracy nuts you mentioned. What does he know, he is only another doctor.

Zucker deals with Gender Identity Disorder, not Gender Dysphoria syndrome. Those with GID identify with the opposite sex (and sex roles) rather than their own sex. Basically, they're effeminate men (queers) and masculine women (dykes). Gender Identity Disorder also involves no physiological abnormalities. Individuals with Gender Dysphoria feel like "A man in a womans body" and show physiological differences in their brain.

Although... I'd like to see psychotherapy and parent counseling employed first and gender reassignment used as a last resort.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5877046 - 07/19/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone remember the movie "Boys Don't Cry"? Tell me, what was the theme of this Hollywood movie? Who were the villains? What was its point of view? What is your point of view?

I agree with quiver, this shit is part of a trend, and Hollywood helped kicked it off.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5877182 - 07/19/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
An opinion which not everyone shares. However, this is not the issue. The kid no longer has just gender dysphoria, it developed into something more possibliy due to encouragement. Could the dysfunction be corrected with the proper help and parenting? Maybe, maybe not. The only one harmed by not trying is the little kid.

The parents may have facilitated the development of this syndrome, but to me it seems unlikely. It is not unusual for children to explore masculine and feminine roles, but generally, when the child hits puberty, the role for him or her is clearly defined. This child though is years away from puberty and has already defined his role as a female. It is possible that the child is terrible confused. It is also possible that this child truly has Gender dysphoria syndrome and his brain exhibits characteristics typical of a female brain.

Environment and genetics cannot be seperated, but if the first possibility is true, then the parents or other factors in the childs environment most likely caused this problem. If the second possibility is true, the problem was probably a result of a physiological problem that was mostly unaffected by parenting.

They seemed to have made up their minds rather quick and sudden on such a complicated and difficult issue, dontcha think?

This isn't just some kid who is effeminate and likes to play with dolls. When a boy talks about genital mutilation and the desire to be a woman, at the age of five, clearly something is very wrong.

I'm sure Zucker is just one of those crazy conservative conspiracy nuts you mentioned. What does he know, he is only another doctor.

Zucker deals with Gender Identity Disorder, not Gender Dysphoria syndrome. Those with GID identify with the opposite sex (and sex roles) rather than their own sex. Basically, they're effeminate men (queers) and masculine women (dykes). Gender Identity Disorder also involves no physiological abnormalities. Individuals with Gender Dysphoria feel like "A man in a womans body" and show physiological differences in their brain.

Although... I'd like to see psychotherapy and parent counseling employed first and gender reassignment used as a last resort.




I'm talking more about how they never said no to his demands and seemed to allow this to go on for a long time(they let him grow out his hair) without thinking any strange about it. How could that not have fostered the behavior. Hes just a little kid, they are very impressionable even with a neuro-pathological syndrome i imagine.

And hasn't the child's condition progressed beyond just gender dysphoria now, or would you just call it an extreme case. To me it seems like its gone way beyond just anxiety or the base definition of the term as its my under standing. Like i asked before, "Genetics doesn't make a kid hate his penis, want to cut it off and hammer it, and want to wear girl clothes; does it?" I dont see how his environment couldn't have failed him. He is seriously messed up. It makes me mad that 2-3 years of going to shrink and all the other "beneficial" stuff the parents were doing left their kid in this state.

I'd agree that there was something wrong with the kid that couldn't have been corrected by the parents by the time they went to the shrink. I should have been more clear but i meant they had quickly decided on a plan of action which appears to have been acceptance. I think the shrink's position seems quite clear considering her following actions and the influence she had on the parents if they werent so pro "accepting their kids condition" beforehand. Sorry, but if it was my kid i wouldn't just accept that my kid would have to endure one of the most difficult life paths right off the bat when hes only a three year old.

About Zucker, i was talking about what he said about the parents and the situation not about whether he could have cured the kid since i had assumed there was some difference between GID and GD.

And thank you for saying you'd like to see psychotherapy and parent counseling employed first and gender reassignment used as a last resort. I'm not closed off to the idea of gender reassignment, i just think it should have been the last resort as do you. Whether Liberalism or an activist pro-transsexual agenda caused the parents to react the way they did is arguable imo.

And i find the thought of that transsexual conference they went to with their kid scary. It sounds like incestuous amplification to me. Thats never good.


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5877315 - 07/19/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't get to pick my haircuts/clothes/etc until I was at least 8 or 9....and what is wrong with that.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5877753 - 07/19/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
I didn't get to pick my haircuts/clothes/etc until I was at least 8 or 9....and what is wrong with that.



Nothing, but I also see nothing wrong with letting the child make that choice either.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5877872 - 07/19/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
Quote:

alpharedecho said:
I didn't get to pick my haircuts/clothes/etc until I was at least 8 or 9....and what is wrong with that.



Nothing, but I also see nothing wrong with letting the child make that choice either.




Yeah just like that Adam Sandler movie: "Big Daddy", good movie, but not practical or good parenting to let your toddler/child run the show.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Silversoul]
    #5877985 - 07/19/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Nothing, but I also see nothing wrong with letting the child make that choice either.



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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: 1stimer]
    #5878946 - 07/19/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Usage Note: Traditionally, gender has been used primarily to refer to the grammatical categories of “masculine,” “feminine,” and “neuter,” but in recent years the word has become well established in its use to refer to sex-based categories, as in phrases such as gender gap and the politics of gender. This usage is supported by the practice of many anthropologists, who reserve sex for reference to biological categories, while using gender to refer to social or cultural categories. According to this rule, one would say The effectiveness of the medication appears to depend on the sex (not gender) of the patient, but In peasant societies, gender (not sex) roles are likely to be more clearly defined. This distinction is useful in principle, but it is by no means widely observed, and considerable variation in usage occurs at all levels.

Note the by no means widely observed, i.e. if you're born with a ding dong you are a male. Also by no means am I referring to homosexuality, so don't get that confused. This kid has a mental problem or was socially programmed wrong to believe they are something they aren't. For them to think they are a female they would have to look down at their penis and not see its existance. A person is just a person, if a boy wants to wear girls clothes and play with dolls who gives a shit thats what they want to do. But when they start denying their very biological existance thats just messed up. Its such a bullshit term/diagnosis, I mean what if I was born to think shit I'm a dog. I'm not a human being, I'm a dog. Would it be alright to allow me to continue my life thinking I'm a dog? I mean deep down inside I'm not a human being I am a dog, I can feel my inner dog want to go run out in the grass on all fours and play catch. Same thing as this poor little kids case, I just don't agree with this diagnosis/term of transgendered.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: relativexistance]
    #5879059 - 07/19/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: relativexistance]
    #5880990 - 07/20/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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relativexistance said:
Usage Note: Traditionally, gender has been used primarily to refer to the grammatical categories of “masculine,” “feminine,” and “neuter,” but in recent years the word has become well established in its use to refer to sex-based categories, as in phrases such as gender gap and the politics of gender. This usage is supported by the practice of many anthropologists, who reserve sex for reference to biological categories, while using gender to refer to social or cultural categories. According to this rule, one would say The effectiveness of the medication appears to depend on the sex (not gender) of the patient, but In peasant societies, gender (not sex) roles are likely to be more clearly defined. This distinction is useful in principle, but it is by no means widely observed, and considerable variation in usage occurs at all levels.

Note the by no means widely observed, i.e. if you're born with a ding dong you are a male. Also by no means am I referring to homosexuality, so don't get that confused. This kid has a mental problem or was socially programmed wrong to believe they are something they aren't. For them to think they are a female they would have to look down at their penis and not see its existance. A person is just a person, if a boy wants to wear girls clothes and play with dolls who gives a shit thats what they want to do. But when they start denying their very biological existance thats just messed up. Its such a bullshit term/diagnosis, I mean what if I was born to think shit I'm a dog. I'm not a human being, I'm a dog. Would it be alright to allow me to continue my life thinking I'm a dog? I mean deep down inside I'm not a human being I am a dog, I can feel my inner dog want to go run out in the grass on all fours and play catch. Same thing as this poor little kids case, I just don't agree with this diagnosis/term of transgendered.




Well said! 5 shroomz


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5881696 - 07/20/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree. My best friends (female) half brother was raise as a girl in the home. His mom had sole custody and she dressed him in female clothing and put makeup on him. He's a flaming homo. Coincidence, I think not.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #5881707 - 07/20/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone here see the movie Sleepaway Camp?


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: Redstorm]
    #5882067 - 07/20/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yea, that was an under rated slasher series. I got the boxed set a few years ago.


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Re: 'Transgendered' Child Set to Enter Florida School System [Re: d33p]
    #5882109 - 07/20/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

this thread reminds me of the end of the first movie


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