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OfflineAcaterpillar
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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: oregonshroomers]
    #18775860 - 08/30/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think heavy doses of LSD are more likely to induce psychosis than certain other drugs, like most uppers.
Uppers just need an extended period with lack of proper nourishment.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18776754 - 08/30/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think he real debate is what the fuck IS psychosis?

Every time I read the symptoms it's just a person who acts unorthodoxically compared to how people USUALLY behave. I mean, are these symptoms due to a person eroding the cultural boundaries, or is it a legitimate chemical imbalance that is dangerous to the person and the people around them?


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: oregonshroomers]
    #18777005 - 08/30/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It does not matter a whole hell of a lot.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: pmoseman]
    #18777027 - 08/30/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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oregonshroomers said:
crap I just realized this 7 years old.




It does not matter a whole hell of a lot.

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HostDisorder said:

I think he real debate is what the fuck IS psychosis?

Every time I read the symptoms it's just a person who acts unorthodoxically compared to how people USUALLY behave. I mean, are these symptoms due to a person eroding the cultural boundaries, or is it a legitimate chemical imbalance that is dangerous to the person and the people around them?




Psychotic Disoder
A cluster of psychotic phenomena that occur during or following psychoactive substance use but that are not explained on the basis of acute intoxication alone and do not form part of a withdrawal state. The disorder is characterized by hallucinations (typically auditory, but often in more than one sensory modality), perceptual distortions, delusions (often of a paranoid or persecutory nature), psychomotor disturbances (excitement or stupor), and an abnormal affect, which may range from intense fear to ecstasy. The sensorium is usually clear but some degree of clouding of consciousness, though not severe confusion, may be present.
<ICD-10 Version:2010>

I hope this makes it clear that the effect of drugs on cognitive process are used as the basis for diagnosis, not behavior. While straying outside of cultural norms may be a factor in developing psychotic disorders, it is not mentioned in this category.

I do not believe chemical imbalance is useful in determining whether a psychosis is "genuine". The level of harm sufferers experience would vary from case to case. While the majority of psychotics do not pose a threat to others there is a correlation with self-harm but I feel it would be best to consider psychosis as being a harm itself.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: pmoseman]
    #18777305 - 08/30/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is so old, let's not forget the countless suicides relating to antidepressants, those are driven by psychotic symptoms


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: pmoseman]
    #18777331 - 08/30/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There isntt any research thatt says LSD causes brain damage right? I've been looking and have found nothing but possible mental disorders


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: jp9304]
    #18777363 - 08/30/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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jp9304 said:
There isntt any research thatt says LSD causes brain damage right? I've been looking and have found nothing but possible mental disorders




No brain damage, but I would imagine that the people scared of psychosis would consider that itself as brain damage.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: HostDisorder]
    #18778333 - 08/30/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol yea. I was having an argument about that yesterday I was explaining how LSD world in our bodies and my friends sister insisted that it made u stupider and that it wasn't good for the eyes because supposedly your field of vision is expanded and that's bad supposedly lol. I was like there isno way that would happen because most psychedelics effect vision and you don't hear any negative effects from  that.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: oregonshroomers]
    #18779694 - 08/30/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

LSD can exacerbate mental illness. So while it wont stick you into a permanant trip, it could have some long term effects. I have gotten stuck in a mushroom trip full on for 8 days. No amount of thorazine or haldol help, only time. We all come down though


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: jp9304]
    #18788967 - 09/02/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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jp9304 said:
Lol yea. I was having an argument about that yesterday I was explaining how LSD world in our bodies and my friends sister insisted that it made u stupider and that it wasn't good for the eyes because supposedly your field of vision is expanded and that's bad supposedly lol. I was like there isno way that would happen because most psychedelics effect vision and you don't hear any negative effects from  that.



You do hear about negative effects from that.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: pmoseman]
    #18788997 - 09/02/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know a bad trip could cause PTSD, but what about causing permanent psychosis in a person? or bringing out mental issues they were never prone to?


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18789387 - 09/02/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

only religious or spiritual trauma...imho..

Fearing hell, or the concept of hell..

knowing you only live once...thinking this is only the front yard to eternal damnation.. etc.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18813262 - 09/07/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In short, drug induced psychosis are not permanent states, but not mere intoxication either.
In the same fashion that individuals can show early psychosis, the majority of which never fully develop, you would remain partly psychotic for an indefinite period.
A natural psychotic, eg schizophrenic, on the other hand, could remain indefinitely psychotic.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: pmoseman]
    #18813313 - 09/07/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say no, unless you got mental problems already

I've taken huge amounts before, sometimes it takes a few weeks for comedown though (if you take 10+ hits  or i.e. 2-3 strong hits) :-)

You always come down, sometimes after 3 days, 5 days, 2 weeks (if you binge heavily during summer).

A normal strong dose always has 1-2 days comedown for me (after glow), at least
That's why strong doses should be rare/planned , don't do them on sundays when you work monday i.e. (usually do them fridays rarely, it's not pleasant getting ego ripped apart and rebuilding too often, hard work)

Perma trip sounds almost pleasant.. the comedown from lsd is always good, feel free to do anything without worries, total clarity, appreciation of everything, accepting everything you see, feeling the love everyday

We must sometimes realize that change is not always bad
Psychosis is defined from cultural norms

I'd like to break away from our western culture and have already mostly done so.

Deinstall Western Operating system, Reinstall Acceptance 1.0

that's a good operating system, accept everything, appreciate everything
brings happiness everyday


Edited by lessismore (09/07/13 11:02 PM)


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: lessismore]
    #18813344 - 09/07/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you can integrate the whole experience you might appreciate everything you have, live a simpler lifestyle, accept everything

that the gov would probably call 'mania', that's a mental illness term for being happy for too long ;-)

and if you believe in god/spirituality, you are delusional too according to them

happiness is from finding oneself, LSD can help with that
it can also do the opposite, it's up to the individual to do it responsibly and moderately

I've been able to integrate almost everything from my experiences I think, but still learn from it of course


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: lessismore]
    #18813456 - 09/07/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Our minds aren't made to handle tripping all the time.  I just can't see how consistent heavy use won't screw with your head.

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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: lessismore]
    #18813676 - 09/08/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Psychosis is defined by hallucinations, depression, disorganized thinking, diminished speech, and other objective realities that leave a person vulnerable and unable to care for themselves; requiring other healthy people to care for them. It is not victimless; it harms many people. You simply have not had to deal with these consequences and want to trivialize society's success and understanding as ill-contrived "norms", which only somehow only a special few can see through. Meanwhile you clearly embrace your society and are borrowing ideas left and right.

Drugs feel good. That is why people do that. I understand how great you feel about them. Many other people have had experiences with them, and, not because they were mentally ill, unaware of your magic formula, unable to integrate, or just could not overcome those pesky social norms (whatever you imagine those are, who knows), they had bad experiences; they obviously were not listening to information from the government either. My ears sure perked the fuck up after I went psychotic.

Those feelings are all just illusions; anyone can do what you are doing, with no effort,  and get a pleasurable response, frankly I did not find them all that mind-boggling or enlightening either. The mind can do much more than you think, and more effectively without drugs.

Your opening statement is that we psychotics already began life mental, so you have labelled that group already. You have zilch for evidence, it just happens to appeal to you. Idolizing yourself and honestly thinking if other people just tried better they could be like you, that is deluded by far.

The reason I dismiss spirituality is because I experienced it and I had to figure out how confused I was, before I could answer even a basic question. I was blaming others who I relied upon and who had fed my mind. My knowledge and gifts never came from inside me or from some imaginary place.

You have to see things from many other points of view before you can interpret your own. Frankly your rationalities and excuses for drug use, if they were valid, give people a reason to do just anything they wanted.

As an atheist I am shocked by your inability to reason that mutual benefit must exist for moral behavior. This benefits a selfish person all the same. My reasons to lie to you, to disagree, would be no greater than any other person who agrees with you, save the millionaire currently selling you drugs.


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: pureenergy13]
    #18813695 - 09/08/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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pureenergy13 said:
Our minds aren't made to handle tripping all the time.  I just can't see how consistent heavy use won't screw with your head.

:2cents:



Yup, moderation

If you subscribe to buddhism you moderate most of the time as a minimum :-)

Abuse of anything is desctructive for the soul, we should appreciate our bodies (as in love it) and life, that is best done by being sober most of the time (mind and body feels best sober, but LSD feels pretty good too sometimes, the love & unity with all things + no regrets next day(s))


Edited by lessismore (09/08/13 01:26 AM)


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: lessismore]
    #18814150 - 09/08/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mio said:...no regrets next day(s))




More than 700,000 adults over 30 suffered drug induced psychosis in their lifetime.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17199051/


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Re: Can LSD cause permanent psychosis? [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #22948656 - 02/26/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Yes...  I took LSD three times when I was 18, and was never the same again...  Without question, it served as a catalyst for more psychosis


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