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#5868965 - 07/17/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I fail to see anything wrong with it. Judges are people too, no? They're American citizens and thus the Bill of Rights applies to them as well. If a judge obtains a concealed carry permit then why shouldn't he be allowed to carry his gun under his robes? They would face the same, if not more and different, threats than you or I would and should be allowed to protect themselves against such threats if the need arises.
It's not like we're going to see something like "Judge Doom sentences you to DEATH!" and proceeds to whip out his pistol and unload on the person. Maybe you're being a bit too paranoid?
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5869070 - 07/17/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i prob am being 2 paranoid but i just keep getting a bad feeling when i think about it. cann't put my finger on it but...
whats the guards with the pistols in view for then?
why does the judge have to hide his gun under his robe??? it should be in plain view?? im not up on gun laws but if i were to register to carry a gun you cann't hide it in your undys....you would be arrested if you got caught like that.
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Not with a CONCEALED CARRY permit. The name says it all. You are allowed to conceal it under your clothing if you have the permit. You could hide it in your glove box and if a piggy pulls you over he can't do shit as long as you have your permit with you and you're not under the influence of anything.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5869197 - 07/17/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^^ What DNKYD said
Nothing wrong with a judge packing. Everyone should have their concealed weapon permit and have a gun with them at all times where legal. There is nothing wrong with being armed. There would be alot less gun crime if the responsible citizens would protect themselves instead of relying on someone else to do it for them.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5869251 - 07/17/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not like we're going to see something like "Judge Doom sentences you to DEATH!" and proceeds to whip out his pistol and unload on the person. Maybe you're being a bit too paranoid?
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5869264 - 07/17/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: It's not like we're going to see something like "Judge Doom sentences you to DEATH!" and proceeds to whip out his pistol and unload on the person.
Oh I dunno, I imagine judges get pretty pissed off at times at defendants based on the circumstances of their crimes. I can see judges going postal and shooting up their courtrooms every so often.
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So, whenever you get pissed off, you shoot people?
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Re: Armed judges [Re: CoolMojo]
#5869391 - 07/17/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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when i was a kid i had a bb gun, when i got pissed....my sins haunt me still till this day....them poor squirrels and birds 
but i was just a kid and didn't know any better, and my parents weren't good about supervising shit like that.
but i cann't help but still laugh about it.....i dumped about 20 animal bodys over my fence....which happened to land in a church yard....i actually wittnessed that poor kid on that lawn mower he stood up and looked around like omfg what have i done??? feathers flying everywhere....
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And though it ruled in favor of pistol-packing jurists, the committee warned that judges must "be patient,
Haha I can see it now. Alll hell breaks lose and turns into all out gun battle jurists tuck n rollin, Judge standin ontop his bench ZMG in each hand. Lawyers turnin over tables and firin back.
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I'm think at some point, some judge will fire off rounds in a courtroom, now that this law is in effect...although that does sound create a humurous scene in my head :p
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Re: Armed judges [Re: CoolMojo]
#5869496 - 07/17/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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CoolMojo said: So, whenever you get pissed off, you shoot people?
Of course not. But statistically human beings do occasionally. Watch the news.
I would not like the idea of being tried by an armed person who is "judging" me either.
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Whats the difference on what a guy is wearing who is about to decide the rest of your life for you gonna make? Depending on what your standing there for he can just say the word and your dead already. Wearing a gun while he does it doesn't really change anything.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: CoolMojo]
#5870253 - 07/17/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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We'll see how it plays out. I believe executive officers should have the guns because judges are supposed to be impartial. If anything, they could just put the judges behind bulletproof glass.
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LiveByFreedom said: I'm think at some point, some judge will fire off rounds in a courtroom, now that this law is in effect...although that does sound create a humurous scene in my head :p
They didn't enact a new law for this. The New York state Advisory Committee on Judicial Ethics just issued a statement saying that there is no law barring them from carrying a weapon in the courtroom and that it is "ethically permissible."
This really isn't too far fetched. Think about it, guys. Judges in major cities sentence thousands of people. Some of these people may be heads of large drug rings, gang leaders, mafia, etc. If a judge sentences one of these people it will inevitably piss off at least some of the people they know. If the pissed off parties are armed and don't mind the jail time they may try to retaliate against the judge. Don't you think the judge should be allowed to carry protection on the way to work, at work, on the way home?
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5871043 - 07/17/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: Don't you think the judge should be allowed to carry protection on the way to work, at work, on the way home?
I sure do, I happen to be very closely related to a judge, and I know many other judges.
many of them carry firearms, not because they plan on executing a defendant but because emotions run high in courtrooms, you never know what to expect from people who are in positions completely alien to them.
bailiffs help in the courtroom, but they can't be there all the time, not to mention the fact that most bailiffs are retired police or jailers and aren't typically in the best of shape.
Judges are guaranteed to piss off 50% of the people who come in front of them, threats aren't uncommon, even in non criminal courts. It's foolish to be in that line of work and not protect yourself.
just recently the justice department began a 12 million dollar program to install security systems in the homes of federal judges who wish to have them, not every judge accepted, and the majority of the judges who did still see a need to take their own security into their own hands.
most judges are publicly elected officials, they're elected because they know the law and have established themselves as respected lawyers, not exactly the type of people to make emotionally fueled irrational decisions.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: deryl]
#5871551 - 07/17/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think its cool for a judge to have a weapon but how many people would be dead if judge judy had gun up her puss. mybe she does have a gun up her puss...that would explain alot
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Re: Armed judges [Re: Jcheech]
#5873147 - 07/18/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly I think he was doing it for his own protection. I know that recently I recall a story on the news where a guy was given his sentence and he attacked one of the baliffis, got his gun and killed him before he was shot and killed too. It makes sense to have the judge carrying a weapon too. Someone elses lives are in his hands, and he doesnt want to leave his life in someone elses hands. -Me
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Re: Armed judges [Re: dedjam]
#5873508 - 07/18/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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gopenguins said: Nothing wrong with a judge packing. Everyone should have their concealed weapon permit and have a gun with them at all times where legal. There is nothing wrong with being armed. There would be alot less gun crime if the responsible citizens would protect themselves instead of relying on someone else to do it for them.
Really? That's your idea of an improved society? That's where we should be headed to?
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Re: Armed judges [Re: OJK]
#5874206 - 07/18/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Armed judges [Re: TheWay]
#5874458 - 07/18/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm fine with judges packing as long as the common man can pack on governmental property/Post offices, libraries, etc. also.
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DieSpectra said: I'm fine with judges packing as long as the common man can pack on governmental property/Post offices, libraries, etc. also.
i'm a little on the fence about that one.
courthouses, public schools, jails, and city parks are gov. property....not too sure if I'd want just anyone with a gun in those places.
I'm 100% for personal gun rights, but even I think there is a limit, I'm just not sure who I think should decide it.
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What does judges carrying guns have to do with a well regulated militia?
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Re: Armed judges [Re: OJK]
#5875169 - 07/18/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Odiumjunkie said: What does judges carrying guns have to do with a well regulated militia?
Nothing. Notice the second little tidbit about the freedom to bear arms? He's talking about not being able to carry a weapon on government property and all that jazz.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5876753 - 07/19/06 06:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's something wrong with any picture containing a concealed gun.
Concealed guns are intended for murdering unsuspecting humans in unusual circumstances. Just because a particular country is self-righteous enough to make it the norm does not say anything about it being right. America pays for its sick love of guns with the highest gun murder rate in the world by far.
But if having them EVERYWHERE is the only way this largely hard-headed populous will learn its lesson... so be it. Apparently it's a right.
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ExplosiveMango said: There's something wrong with any picture containing a concealed gun.
No, there's something wrong with any person that believes a human should not have the right to defend themselves.
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Concealed guns are intended for murdering unsuspecting humans in unusual circumstances.
Or for protecting yourself, your friends, loved ones, neighbors, from someone who has this mindset.
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Just because a particular country is self-righteous enough to make it the norm does not say anything about it being right.
Here's a little history lesson for you. Back about 200 some years ago the British colonies that we now call the United States of America rose up in a revolution. This revolution was made possible by citizens who were ARMED with GUNS. Yes, GUNS! Sounds horrible, doesn't it? To escape the tyranny of those limy bloke-ass Brits our forefathers had to fight fire with fire. Now fast forward a few years and they write this big document called The Constitution of the United States of America, and along with it the Bill of Rights. In it is stated:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Now what happens if our government were to become tyrannous and harmful to the people it represents (not that it isn't already)? Are the people supposed to lay down and take it? Or maybe when the National Guard and the Army is marching down our streets we could just throw rocks and sticks at them? Fuck no. I'm grabbing my gun and if anybody tries to take it for me they'll receive a nice shiny gift in the middle of their brain. Call us "self-righteous"? Guns are how our country was founded and guns are an essential part of self defense whether it is for yourself, your friends and family, or your entire country.
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America pays for its sick love of guns with the highest gun murder rate in the world by far.
So? It's not like the world couldn't stand to lose a few million people.
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But if having them EVERYWHERE is the only way this largely hard-headed populous will learn its lesson... so be it. Apparently it's a right.
Well I'm sorry to hear that whatever shit-hole country you may crawl out of doesn't give its citizens the right to protect themselves if the need arises.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5880505 - 07/20/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ExplosiveMango said: There's something wrong with any picture containing a concealed gun.
No, there's something wrong with any person that believes a human should not have the right to defend themselves.
A gun can in no way be used for defense, a gun can only be used as an attack. If you believe a gun can be used for defense clearly you are not familiar with what a gun is.
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Concealed guns are intended for murdering unsuspecting humans in unusual circumstances.
Or for protecting yourself, your friends, loved ones, neighbors, from someone who has this mindset.
In order to do this you must murder this person. You have an identical mindset. You are both arrogant enough to believe you have the right to murder the other, just for different reasons. There is no 'OR' about it, guns can only be used for violence.
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Just because a particular country is self-righteous enough to make it the norm does not say anything about it being right.
Now what happens if our government were to become tyrannous and harmful to the people it represents (not that it isn't already)?
Well, I think you responded quite nicely to your own statement. You're in a position right now where the government is oppressing your rights. Your guns don't do a damn thing to stop that. They just make the government more willing to shoot you, because they too, often have low enough intelligence to believe in the "GUNS PROTECT ME FROM GUNS!" argument.
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America pays for its sick love of guns with the highest gun murder rate in the world by far.
So? It's not like the world couldn't stand to lose a few million people.
And I'm glad at least a good number of the people dying are the ones who think like you do about guns. I believe you should have the right to die by whatever means you deem fit. I'm just very sorry for the countless innocents killed by people like you while you're 'exercising your rights'.
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But if having them EVERYWHERE is the only way this largely hard-headed populous will learn its lesson... so be it. Apparently it's a right.
Well I'm sorry to hear that whatever shit-hole country you may crawl out of doesn't give its citizens the right to protect themselves if the need arises.
I live in Canada. Nearly every day I thank god I live here.
Just so you know, on one occasion I was involved in a 'gang fight' to which an 'enemy' brought a glock. I was able to break his arm and 4 of his ribs with an aluminum bat less than a second before he fired his first shot (people around here like to talk their way up to the fight sometimes for whatever reason, I was on this guy's 4 when he finally cocked his gun).
The gun was pointed at a friend of mine.
Nobody died that day. Many of the issues that incited that fight have now been resolved. I consider us all very lucky.
In conclusion, I wish there was a way that you may have the 'right' to be murdered by a gun while another individual may wave this right. There is not. I am endlessly sorry for whatever individual this turns out to be. I only hope the peaceful person murdered is your family member, so you may gain the insight you so desperately need. (Or would you simply lose your mind to a fit of vengeful rage?)
I wish for you whatever fate you would have for others, whatever your reasons.
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Wow.... just... um.... I don't know how to respond to that..... My mind is seriously boggled. And not because it's a well crafted response, but because it's just so ignorant and 'Utopianist'.
I'm glad for you that you've found a perfect Utopian place to live where violence is non-existent and self-protection is not necessary.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
#5881285 - 07/20/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's fine. He's a US citizen and is protected by the Constitution and all of its amendments.
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wow.
that was just flat out wrong.
I seldom say that about an opinion, but I think it applies here.
and I really don't believe you "gang story" either.
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Re: Armed judges [Re: deryl]
#5884004 - 07/21/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I've really been re-thinking my stance.
I honestly do believe people should have the right to have guns involved in their lives, if that's what they choose. But I really appreciate my freedom to not be seriously threatened by guns, more than I could ever appreciate the power of being able to end a life. It's just not fair to put another life at risk and call it your own right. It doesn't get much simpler.
There's a reason we don't have even 5% of your gun murder rate here, a very simple one. It just makes me feel like I have some small amount of power to help some of the suffering thousands due to gun over-proliferation.
However whole-heartedly believe that nobody deserves to be murdered more than the person who is most willing to provide for that murder's opportunity. This is quite often the case in the US.
From now on I'll just sit back and learn to laugh at it, the way I do with the rest of life inevitabilities.
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