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OfflineDieSpectra
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Re: Armed judges [Re: TheWay]
    #5874458 - 07/18/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm fine with judges packing as long as the common man can pack on governmental property/Post offices, libraries, etc. also.

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Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.




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Re: Armed judges [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5874824 - 07/18/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DieSpectra said:
I'm fine with judges packing as long as the common man can pack on governmental property/Post offices, libraries, etc. also.





i'm a little on the fence about that one.

courthouses, public schools, jails, and city parks are gov. property....not too sure if I'd want just anyone with a gun in those places.

I'm 100% for personal gun rights, but even I think there is a limit, I'm just not sure who I think should decide it.


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Re: Armed judges [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5874851 - 07/18/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What does judges carrying guns have to do with a well regulated militia? :wtf:


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Re: Armed judges [Re: OJK]
    #5875169 - 07/18/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
What does judges carrying guns have to do with a well regulated militia? :wtf:




Nothing. Notice the second little tidbit about the freedom to bear arms? He's talking about not being able to carry a weapon on government property and all that jazz.


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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
    #5876753 - 07/19/06 06:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There's something wrong with any picture containing a concealed gun.

Concealed guns are intended for murdering unsuspecting humans in unusual circumstances. Just because a particular country is self-righteous enough to make it the norm does not say anything about it being right. America pays for its sick love of guns with the highest gun murder rate in the world by far.

But if having them EVERYWHERE is the only way this largely hard-headed populous will learn its lesson... so be it. Apparently it's a right.


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Re: Armed judges [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5877544 - 07/19/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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There's something wrong with any picture containing a concealed gun.





No, there's something wrong with any person that believes a human should not have the right to defend themselves.

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Concealed guns are intended for murdering unsuspecting humans in unusual circumstances.




Or for protecting yourself, your friends, loved ones, neighbors, from someone who has this mindset.

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Just because a particular country is self-righteous enough to make it the norm does not say anything about it being right.




Here's a little history lesson for you. Back about 200 some years ago the British colonies that we now call the United States of America rose up in a revolution. This revolution was made possible by citizens who were ARMED with GUNS. Yes, GUNS! Sounds horrible, doesn't it? To escape the tyranny of those limy bloke-ass Brits our forefathers had to fight fire with fire. Now fast forward a few years and they write this big document called The Constitution of the United States of America, and along with it the Bill of Rights. In it is stated:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Now what happens if our government were to become tyrannous and harmful to the people it represents (not that it isn't already)? Are the people supposed to lay down and take it? Or maybe when the National Guard and the Army is marching down our streets we could just throw rocks and sticks at them? Fuck no. I'm grabbing my gun and if anybody tries to take it for me they'll receive a nice shiny gift in the middle of their brain.
Call us "self-righteous"? Guns are how our country was founded and guns are an essential part of self defense whether it is for yourself, your friends and family, or your entire country.


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America pays for its sick love of guns with the highest gun murder rate in the world by far.




So? It's not like the world couldn't stand to lose a few million people.

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But if having them EVERYWHERE is the only way this largely hard-headed populous will learn its lesson... so be it. Apparently it's a right.




Well I'm sorry to hear that whatever shit-hole country you may crawl out of doesn't give its citizens the right to protect themselves if the need arises.


Edited by DNKYD (07/19/06 03:41 PM)


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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
    #5880505 - 07/20/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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ExplosiveMango said:
There's something wrong with any picture containing a concealed gun.





No, there's something wrong with any person that believes a human should not have the right to defend themselves.





A gun can in no way be used for defense, a gun can only be used as an attack. If you believe a gun can be used for defense clearly you are not familiar with what a gun is.

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Concealed guns are intended for murdering unsuspecting humans in unusual circumstances.




Or for protecting yourself, your friends, loved ones, neighbors, from someone who has this mindset.





In order to do this you must murder this person. You have an identical mindset. You are both arrogant enough to believe you have the right to murder the other, just for different reasons. There is no 'OR' about it, guns can only be used for violence.

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Just because a particular country is self-righteous enough to make it the norm does not say anything about it being right.




Now what happens if our government were to become tyrannous and harmful to the people it represents (not that it isn't already)?





Well, I think you responded quite nicely to your own statement.
You're in a position right now where the government is oppressing your rights. Your guns don't do a damn thing to stop that. They just make the government more willing to shoot you, because they too, often have low enough intelligence to believe in the "GUNS PROTECT ME FROM GUNS!" argument.

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America pays for its sick love of guns with the highest gun murder rate in the world by far.




So? It's not like the world couldn't stand to lose a few million people.





And I'm glad at least a good number of the people dying are the ones who think like you do about guns. I believe you should have the right to die by whatever means you deem fit.
I'm just very sorry for the countless innocents killed by people like you while you're 'exercising your rights'.

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But if having them EVERYWHERE is the only way this largely hard-headed populous will learn its lesson... so be it. Apparently it's a right.




Well I'm sorry to hear that whatever shit-hole country you may crawl out of doesn't give its citizens the right to protect themselves if the need arises.




I live in Canada. Nearly every day I thank god I live here.

Just so you know, on one occasion I was involved in a 'gang fight' to which an 'enemy' brought a glock. I was able to break his arm and 4 of his ribs with an aluminum bat less than a second before he fired his first shot (people around here like to talk their way up to the fight sometimes for whatever reason, I was on this guy's 4 when he finally cocked his gun).

The gun was pointed at a friend of mine.

Nobody died that day. Many of the issues that incited that fight have now been resolved. I consider us all very lucky.





In conclusion, I wish there was a way that you may have the 'right' to be murdered by a gun while another individual may wave this right. There is not. I am endlessly sorry for whatever individual this turns out to be. I only hope the peaceful person murdered is your family member, so you may gain the insight you so desperately need. (Or would you simply lose your mind to a fit of vengeful rage?)

I wish for you whatever fate you would have for others, whatever your reasons.


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Re: Armed judges [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5881247 - 07/20/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wow.... just... um.... I don't know how to respond to that..... My mind is seriously boggled. And not because it's a well crafted response, but because it's just so ignorant and 'Utopianist'.

I'm glad for you that you've found a perfect Utopian place to live where violence is non-existent and self-protection is not necessary.


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Re: Armed judges [Re: DNKYD]
    #5881285 - 07/20/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's fine. He's a US citizen and is protected by the Constitution and all of its amendments.


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Re: Armed judges [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5882586 - 07/20/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

wow.

that was just flat out wrong.

I seldom say that about an opinion, but I think it applies here.

and I really don't believe you "gang story" either.


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Re: Armed judges [Re: deryl]
    #5884004 - 07/21/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I've really been re-thinking my stance.

I honestly do believe people should have the right to have guns involved in their lives, if that's what they choose.
But I really appreciate my freedom to not be seriously threatened by guns, more than I could ever appreciate the power of being able to end a life.
It's just not fair to put another life at risk and call it your own right. It doesn't get much simpler.

There's a reason we don't have even 5% of your gun murder rate here, a very simple one. It just makes me feel like I have some small amount of power to help some of the suffering thousands due to gun over-proliferation.

However whole-heartedly believe that nobody deserves to be murdered more than the person who is most willing to provide for that murder's opportunity. This is quite often the case in the US.

From now on I'll just sit back and learn to laugh at it, the way I do with the rest of life inevitabilities.


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