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Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis?
    #5868855 - 07/17/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

poll time!


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Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis?
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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5868858 - 07/17/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

England.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5868859 - 07/17/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I said "All of the above," but mainly, I'd say Hezbollah and Israel.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5868862 - 07/17/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
England.



Yes, they're ultimately responsible for most of the problems in the Middle East today, but since he was talking specifically about the current conflict, I picked the ones who are directly involved in it.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5868868 - 07/17/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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PLEASE DO NOT READ THIS POST UNTIL YOU HAVE VOTED









This same question was asked by Al-Jazeera and answered by 31.927 of their viewers, from mostly the Middle East. Their viewers voted thus:

Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis?

a. Hezbollah - 21%
b. Iran and Syria - 17%
c. Israel - 34%
d. Lebanon - 0%
e. United States - 14%
f. All of the above - 13%
g. None of the above - 1%


Because we seldom if ever get to hear viewpoints from the Arab world I thought it would be a good idea to take this poll to PA&L so we can compare our america-centric politics forum vote with those of an middleeast-centric audience.

Discuss!


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5869005 - 07/17/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Most people love Hezbollah in the Middle East.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5869034 - 07/17/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have not voted yet, because I am unsure about Israel or U.S.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5869168 - 07/17/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to be able to vote for mutliples?

I think Israel, Hezbollah and the US are all relatively equally to blame.

Obviously Hezbollah should not be launching rockets at Israel or kidnapping soldiers. Israel should not be invading and destroying sovereign nations, nor destroying civilian infrastructures like power plants and such. The US is culpable for doing NOTHING. Israel would not be doing what its doing w/out at least at tacit acknowledgement from the US that we wouldnt intervene.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5869542 - 07/17/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Authors of the Qu'ran and Bible.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5869555 - 07/17/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Israel.

I Can't think of another country which has waged all out war for the kidnapping of 3 soldiers. They could have just exchanged some prisoners to get theirs back, alive and well. But because of their arrogance, they will lose dozens, if not hundreds of soldiers.

If this does turn into an all out war, thousands of lives will be lost, for these 3 Israelis.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5869919 - 07/17/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

All of the above


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5869925 - 07/17/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

My uncle is a general in the marines(not gonna say who), but he told my dad that world war three is emminent.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5869934 - 07/17/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ISrael, mostly. It's so funny how the news runs. I'm watching the NBC news right now and it's clip after clip of how bad Israeli s having it. Oy Vey! A missile landed on my delicatessen and killed two people! Oy vey!

Then it says "Oh yea, the Isrealies blew up some bridges, hospitals and factories"

HOSPITALS? That would be terrorism, were the media masters not rabidly Zionist Jews.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: undersativaskies]
    #5869940 - 07/17/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So what you have to ask yourself is, is WW3 on the way because of 3 kidnapped soldiers, or is it part of some greater plan, and these soldiers were just an excuse to kick things off.

I think Israel is getting very worried about Iran, and with nobody doing anything, they are gonna get the ball rolling themselves.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5869956 - 07/17/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I am so glad that Israel has chance to wipe these fuckers off the map.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5869977 - 07/17/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, wont it be nice when America pledges troops and YOU get drafted?

No more Christan deaths for Israel!!


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5869990 - 07/17/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I am so glad that Israel has chance to wipe these fuckers off the map.



How very Christian of you.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5869996 - 07/17/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

all "civilized" people in the world


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870027 - 07/17/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

For fuck sake, can't you see that the fucking Arabs and Iranians are seething over these retards. Iran and the puppet Syria are really put on a spot they didn't want to be in, and with good reason. What kind of nuclear delaying bullshit do you think the mad mullahs can bring now? And as for them actually sending troops?????? Please. Send all of them. We can absolutely blow them to bits without ever using one infantryman. We need infantry to occupy. To blow their entire army to bits all we need is airforce. Whack a mole. Easy whack a mole. Check a map. They would have to march through Iraq. They aint going nowhere. And if they do, good. Because they will be mowed down like little baby rabbits in the tall grass.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5870037 - 07/17/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You need to stop relying on your TV for knowledge of the Arab world.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5870055 - 07/17/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
I am so glad that Israel has chance to wipe these fuckers off the map.




I think people who hold this viewpoint are to blame - the extremists on the muslim side who want to destroy Israel and the extremeists on the Zionist side who want to destroy all the Arab nations. And all the assholes on the sidelines who cheer for ethnic cleansing.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5870056 - 07/17/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So what do you think about Israel bombing hospitals? Don't avoid the question, answer that one sole question. If Hamas suicide bombed a Jew hospital in Israel, what would you think? When Israel bombs hospitals and factories in Lebanon, what do you think?

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For fuck sake, can't you see that the fucking Arabs and Iranians are seething over these retards. Iran and the puppet Syria are really put on a spot they didn't want to be in, and with good reason. What kind of nuclear delaying bullshit do you think the mad mullahs can bring now? And as for them actually sending troops?????? Please. Send all of them. We can absolutely blow them to bits without ever using one infantryman. We need infantry to occupy. To blow their entire army to bits all we need is airforce. Whack a mole. Easy whack a mole. Check a map. They would have to march through Iraq. They aint going nowhere. And if they do, good. Because they will be mowed down like little baby rabbits in the tall grass.




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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5870060 - 07/17/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
I am so glad that Israel has chance to wipe these fuckers off the map.




I think people who hold this viewpoint are to blame - the extremists on the muslim side who want to destroy Israel and the extremeists on the Zionist side who want to destroy all the Arab nations. And all the assholes on the sidelines who cheer for ethnic cleansing.



QFT


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5870072 - 07/17/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

QFT = ???


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870088 - 07/17/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
QFT = ???



Quoted For Truth


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5870106 - 07/17/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

do you think I'm going to edit my statement?


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5870110 - 07/17/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

huh?


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5870118 - 07/17/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
You need to stop relying on your TV for knowledge of the Arab world.




And you get your information from where?


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5870120 - 07/17/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

HBS

Happy Birthday Silversoul :smile:


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5870121 - 07/17/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
Quote:

alpharedecho said:
QFT = ???



Quoted For Truth




Thank you.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5870123 - 07/17/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

just wondering you qtf'ed me.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5870127 - 07/17/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Read the above explanation of what "QFT" means.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5870155 - 07/17/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Read the above explanation of what "QFT" means.




So can i also link people to websites which flame them? Cool!

YAAFM

google that acronym


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Asante]
    #5870165 - 07/17/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

zappa...


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5870524 - 07/17/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't watch TV news at all


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5871022 - 07/17/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
Read the above explanation of what "QFT" means.




yeah, I know what qft means. just wondering if you believe I was going to edit my comments and why. I stand by what I said.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5871025 - 07/17/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Geez, if SS wasn't such a stickler for looking smart this would have ended about 20 posts ago. He was saying "Yup, I agree". Stop bickering lol


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5871924 - 07/18/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel.

I Can't think of another country which has waged all out war for the kidnapping of 3 soldiers. They could have just exchanged some prisoners to get theirs back, alive and well. But because of their arrogance, they will lose dozens, if not hundreds of soldiers.

If this does turn into an all out war, thousands of lives will be lost, for these 3 Israelis.




How did World War I start?


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: downforpot]
    #5871949 - 07/18/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The Ottoman empire collapsed and everyone went bat shit


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Basilides]
    #5871952 - 07/18/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ottoman empire collapsed and everyone went bat shit




What about the assasination that every1 went ape shit over?

And the Ottoman Empire collapsed because of WWI, not before it.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: downforpot]
    #5871978 - 07/18/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I guess. Who cares :shrug:


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Basilides]
    #5872272 - 07/18/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also lets not forget that the Assasination of the prince was done by a radical serbian group in Serbia which was occupied by the prince's country Austria, I think. Then Russia starts war with Austria because of a secret alliance with Serbia and not to mention the fact that Russia was considered the leader of the slavic people.

Then other countries join in due to secret alliances.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: downforpot]
    #5872278 - 07/18/06 03:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I thought the assassination was just the cover story they put out. The German troops going to Iraq sounds like a more likely reason for the First World War.


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Re: Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis? [Re: Alex213]
    #5872292 - 07/18/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I thought the assassination was just the cover story they put out. The German troops going to Iraq sounds like a more likely reason for the First World War.




Where did you read that? The textbook I read it from was published in 2004, is this new news?


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