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Flatcakes?
    #5868280 - 07/17/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure if people have tried this before, but its for the newbs out there not trying to case but would also like more shrooms than the usual 2-7 D.G. you get out of a cake. I think that if you put your cake in a plastic baggy, crumbled it, and shaped it into a sort of thick pancake, and let it restore itself over a matter of a day or two, since you have more surface area you could probably get more shrooms. Maybe you could squeeze out another couple of G's.

I know it's only a step away from casing (which I think is ridiculously easy and I think anyone on there first time should definitly take some of there cakes and case them, I couldn't see why they would screw them up on the first try any more than any other try) but its risk of contams is VERY low, as long as the bag is sterile, its just like having a different shaped cakes.

Along with this idea, you could also have bigger bag and make giant flat cakes with more than one cake. I could see this upping your DG per cake up a little bit, and you'd get more use out of those crap cakes that never produce more than one or two shrooms.

Anyone ever do this? Anyone want to try this and tell me how it goes? I have too many projex (haha sweet spelling) going down right now, but I'm interested in seeing how'd this play out.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Flatcakes? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5868517 - 07/17/06 08:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

A grower at Mycotopia introduced the tek. Go to the vaults there, and you'll see it. It works really well if you add a casing layer, and it is pretty much a casing tek. But you might as well do a bulk substrate if you are looking for yield.
I noticed that you are looking for a casing alternative to vermic. Some have reported great results using coco coir--but not as an alternative to using vermic. in making PF cakes--only as a casing.


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Re: Flatcakes? [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5868528 - 07/17/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'll give it a try. This is my first attempt; I've got a buncha cakes fruiting right now and a couple dozen jars colonizing in an incubator too. I was going to try casing some of the next ones that are ready anyway. I'll let you know how it goes.


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Re: Flatcakes? [Re: princestoadstool]
    #5868622 - 07/17/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Alright great! Just remember, tin foil the bags to let no light in, and also continue to incubate for a couple of days. It might be a good idea to throw in some vermiculite in the bag to help your mycelium reconnect.

Be SURE to keep me updated, with pics if you can, and you get a 5 shroom rating for trying this.


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Re: Flatcakes? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5868656 - 07/17/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have done this, don't expect stellar results.

Increasing the surface area of course is a good thing in theory, but you end up with craptacular pinsets and tiny shrooms because you're trying to "stretch" the substrate out, the surface is uneven, and there's no casing layer to promote pin development.

Try it if you like, but it yielded less than an equivalent amount of cakes IME, and adds several days on to the process while your chunks recover. If you're going to go so far as to crumble up, just put it in a container and case it, even with plain verm - that will help substaintially with your pinset.


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Re: Flatcakes? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5868693 - 07/17/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well it is almost a case- you treat it as a cake so you can dunk it and DEC it. I doubt it'd yield less results with some verm on top- it's too close to a case to be that craptacular.


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Re: Flatcakes? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5868742 - 07/17/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well... once you DEC it, i.e. put verm on top, it IS a case. :smile:

trust me, without a casing layer, a pile of cake chunks is not going to pin well.

verm alone makes an effective casing layer.  adding verm to the top is casing it, sooo... we're not talking about anything new here.


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Re: Flatcakes? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5868861 - 07/17/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yep we really aren't... The only difference is that its not contained in a tub. Datsit.


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Flatcakes Update w/ Pics :) [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5890676 - 07/23/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, so my cakes have colonized and I've started the experiment. Today, I birthed one BRF cake into a ziplock bag and crumbled. I shaped the crumbles to form a thick "patty" and added damp vermiculite to both sides. I wrapped the baggie in foil to keep the light out and placed it back into the incubator. I will keep an eye on it while it's restoring itself a bit over the next few days.

I plan to dunk the "patty-cake" in a h2o/h2o2 mixture for 24 hours in my extra fridge. Then move it to the FC to fruit like a regular cake!

Here are some pics.






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Re: Flatcakes Update w/ Pics :) [Re: princestoadstool]
    #5891033 - 07/23/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i have to say the nay-no my brotha.
cheers for the experiment, but id wager in favor of poor results.


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Re: Flatcakes Update w/ Pics :) [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5901676 - 07/26/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Lookin good so far, I'm looking foward to seeing some good results :smile:


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Re: Flatcakes Update [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5927996 - 08/03/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, lost this to contams. :frown:  Oh well, it was worth a shot.


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