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    #5868116 - 07/17/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Three nights ago I shot up some jars and today I went in incubator to have a peek at them and nothing,no contamination(A first for me) :smile:But no growth either.I usually use LC but since everything I ever have even attempted to grow gets green I decided to just be simple and use the syringes I just received making sure to flame and alcohol wipe after every needle,I did this under a upside down fish tank like I saw on some post here a while back.I Don't have a glove box so I figured at least the air in there would be still and I sprayed alcohol and oust in there before I started working.Anyway I looked at the thermometer in the incubator and low and behold 93.7 deg.Is this why there is no growth.I mean I know I may just be impatient and 3 days is a little early to expect much with a multi-spore inoculation.I was really only checking to see if everything was green like it usually is(I swear I knock up jars and I can leave to go to the bathroom and they are green already when I get back) :tongue:.Does having them at such a high temperature kill everything ?? I unplugged the heater as it is super hot in my house anyway and figure I will see what the temp is with it off after it goes down and than make adjustments accordingly.Is it cooked??


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: Blutjager]
    #5868120 - 07/17/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

93.7 isn't going to kill your spores, I think thermal death is somewhere around 133 degrees or so, not positive on that though. You should try to get your temperatures down into the mid 80s.

And yes you are being a little impatient. You should wait a week before becoming worried about your spores being non viable. Even then I have seen jars take two weeks before germination.


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5868220 - 07/17/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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93.7 isn't going to kill your spores, I think thermal death is somewhere around 133 degrees or so, not positive on that though. You should try to get your temperatures down into the mid 80s.

And yes you are being a little impatient. You should wait a week before becoming worried about your spores being non viable. Even then I have seen jars take two weeks before germination.



i agree i have had jars that have taken 2 weeks to a month when i first started because my water content was a lil high


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: royer]
    #5868260 - 07/17/06 04:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That temp is great for growing contams, and really great for stalling your jars, so yeah, keep it 80-85.


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: Blutjager]
    #5869938 - 07/17/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i wouldn't worry about that too much. almost the exact same thing happened to me where i became impatient with the slowly raising temperature in my incubator, which is just a box sitting above my a/v reciever. so i threw some blankets over it, and over night the temperature shot up to nearly a hundred degress. i thought for sure i had ruined my jars, but i was able to bring the temp down to a steady 85 degrees, and after only a week the jars are doing just fine, with an average of about 40% colonization. of course as others have mentioned there is a much higher risk of contamination once you reach those extreme temperatures, but i have been fortunate enough not to encounter any yet, and hopefully you wont either.

well, good luck with the grow. :thumbup:


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: darkbuster]
    #5870054 - 07/17/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That is a very high temp to expose them to, likely to cause fermentation which will definitely halt all growth.

If you get your temps down to a solid 80-82 (which is optimal) you might have a chance to recover, just get them to a steady level and leave them alone ! For like a week and half, then check every few days for cobwebs or other contams.

Patience is just as important as any step to growing.


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: darkbuster]
    #5870109 - 07/17/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Now its 87.5 deg.I'm actually surprised it went down that low considering how horribly hot it is in the whole house,Anyway thanks for the input,If the contam they contam,I'm used to that but it is good to be reassured that least I didn't kill them myself.


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: Blutjager]
    #5870111 - 07/17/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

First, whats in the jars? Besides, hot spores that is. Are they PF style?

3 days is no big deal. Sometimes it takes a week, or more before you see spores germinate.

93/94F isn't good. But, by no means fatal.

You should test run an incubator, or grow chamber, about 3 days.

Before you use it.

That way, you know it works, or not.

That also allows you time to alter/adjust it, until you get it - where you want it.

I have been running my new one, 48 hours. Just tuning it.
Because, I wanted to see how day/night cycles in temperatures, would affect it.


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5870148 - 07/17/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Half of them are cracked corn with a dash of verm and half are rye prepared using magdash's tek with the gypsum.Like I said I'm surprised they even went down that low(maybe just cause they are all alone in the dark).If 80-82 is what I'm looking for does anyone have any thoughts on how I can achieve this considering that it is so much hotter than that in the whole house ??


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5870161 - 07/17/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the substrates temperature will be a little higher than the air around the jars. because it has only been 3 days you should be safe, but make
sure you dont let the temp get that high anymore because once the
spores germinate those high temps could certainly kill myc


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creamcorn said:
mycelium dies at around 106, but cube spores can handle in the 150s for short periods of time.




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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: Blutjager]
    #5870166 - 07/17/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In the hot summer, my exterior wall temperatures are 4 degree's hotter than the interior walls.

So, find a closet or cupboard, that has no contact with exterior walls & no sunlight that touches it (radiant heat). That will be about as cool as you can get without a swamp cooler, or AC.


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Re: 93.7% ?? [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5871169 - 07/17/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In my experience WBS, under optimal conditions, takes about 6-7 days to show signs of colonization from a multi-spore innoc. The temps you're at, while certainly not past any critical point, are high.

I would expect those temps to add a few days (3-5?) to the time to see colonization and yes, it will increase the liklihood of contams.

But frankly, it's hotter than a devil's rectum in my house this time of year and not only do I incubate at those temps, I'm often fruiting at them, too. It happens. It just takes longer.

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