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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5867675 - 07/16/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: jcee]
    #5867686 - 07/16/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

With an exposure time of 1/8 second, you should have used a tripod, or at least a book or something to steady your hands.

That picture gives me a headache.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5867718 - 07/16/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5867824 - 07/16/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like myc piss to me.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5867915 - 07/16/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/05-51/511328076-1st_contam.jpg
One of my first grain jars had Aspergillus sp.
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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5867927 - 07/17/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

is aspergillus 'wet spot'?

i've definately not seen myc piss THAT bright, mine is usually a little bland looking... unless you turned the contrast up after you took the picture or something...


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5867939 - 07/17/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

^^^ what he said

i was gonna say contam but a lot of people think its piss... i still think its contam my piss is usually not that yellow


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5867942 - 07/17/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No.

IMHO, that is yellow mold.
Someone once said:
If it ain't "WHITE",it ain't right! :mad2: :sad:

Myc "piss" is mycelium excreting excess nitrate/nitrogen metabolites.
Yours is a grain/seed jar.
No "excess nitrate/nitrogen metabolites" there.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5867943 - 07/17/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ahh, ok... I had a jar of wetspot growing and after a while it developed bright yellow spots like that... thanks for clearing that up for me :laugh:


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5868128 - 07/17/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

look at my pissy pants. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/06-20/792419927-Whatis.jpg

This was grain also....


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5868203 - 07/17/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hard to say, pic can be decieving. If it actually glows grazy yellow like thatn they it's probably a radioactive space alien or something. I think it's myc piss.

Myc pis doesn't glow like that, but neither does any sort of contam. Look if it's liquid or actual myc that is that color. If it's a myc or spores that color then it's a contam. If it's just a liquid that is that color then you're fine.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5868318 - 07/17/06 05:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You peed in your jar?
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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5868445 - 07/17/06 07:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i vote contam  :frown:

piss is more of a brownish color, like in JonnyDeformed's pic.  it usually won't happen in a jar either unless its been 100% for a while.

even if it is piss, its probably a sign that the myc is suffering from a bacterial infection.  have seen it in jars on occasion and found the resulting cakes to just piss even more when birthed, and not fruit well or at all.  bad news either way :frown:


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: creamcorn]
    #5868681 - 07/17/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The facination around here with mammalian urination that does not have a fungal counterpart never ceases to amaze me. However, that yellow area is not even mycelial metabolyte. It's a contaminant, most likely bacterial. Mushroom metabolytes are crystal clear when formed, then turn slightly brown as they build up. That yellow area isn't even a liquid.
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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5868688 - 07/17/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

its just a nickname, most of us realize its nothing like piss at all :thumbup:


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5868700 - 07/17/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)



YELLOW SPOTS = something other than mushroom mycelium.



These are LC to wbs jars at about day 7.
Other than WHITE MYCELIUM, the only other coloration remaining, is from the seed color.
Which, will become WHITE, in a day or 2.

Again, Myc Piss is an excretion of some excess metabolite.
Usually, from manure, or excess nitrogen.

Whatever is YELLOW in your jars, is not Myc Piss.

Aspergillus flavus is YELLOW
SADLY, that is what appears to be contaminating your jars. :sad:


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5868732 - 07/17/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

>>>>>>>The facination around here with mammalian urination that does not have a fungal counterpart never ceases to amaze me.<<<<<<

I think it is a MALE thing.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5869027 - 07/17/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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So should i throw it all the jars with the yellow or what?




At least, toss the content. The jars, you can recycle. Fill a tote with hot water, and sudsy bleach/Lysol. Hold jars underwater, unscrew the cap, allow jar to fill, screw cap tight. Later, take outside, dump content in dumpster.Run the jars through the dishwasher.

Or, if not conserned about the jars, toss them - unopened.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5869046 - 07/17/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Of course it can spread if that's even what it is. You've been advised to toss it out, as one should do with all contaminated projects.
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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5869115 - 07/17/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Contams spread, it's what they do.

I doubt the supposed Aspergillus flavus is going to appear and isolate itself to a couple dime spots.

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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: toole]
    #5869201 - 07/17/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What in the world? What's up with all those people saying that it's myc piss?

No way!

It's bright YELLOW! That is DEFINATELY a contam.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: Hoss]
    #5869711 - 07/17/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen some pretty bright yellow myc piss. Sometimes it's yellowish-brownish. Other times it's pure yellowish.

That pic is totally fucked. That bright neon yellow is totally unnatural, so it's really hard to tell.

To me it looks fully colonized and the yellow is just on the surface of the myc where it's against the jar. No way to tell unless you examine it and describe it better for us.

I wouldn't throw it out. Examine it closely when you case and determine if it's myc, spores, or just liquid. If it's the actual myc color or spores then throw it out.

Otherwise I stand by my diagnosis of mycopissosis. Be sure to report back.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: fastfred]
    #5869830 - 07/17/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Mycelium excrete excess metabolites. Usually, excess nitrogen. Grains, and WBS do not contain that much nitrogen. At least, not so much it would be excreted. Whatever it is :confused:? It certainly appears to be mycelium of some sort. Certainly not mushroom mycelium. Otherwise, you would see that yellow in everyones grain spawn jars.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5869935 - 07/17/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Rye jars often get myc piss if you let them go too long or incubate at too high of a temp.

They can produce a LOT of myc piss if you let them.

> Otherwise, you would see that yellow in everyones grain spawn jars.

If you incubate too long or at too high of a temp, you will almost certainly get myc piss IME.

We'll just have to wait and see what the report is. Those jars are ready to go! Dump them carefully and examine those spots closely so we can figure out what it is. My bet is on myc piss. I think his camera just made the yellow look neon yellow.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5870882 - 07/17/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's most certainly a bacterial contamination if they were sitting around for three weeks before you re-inoculated them... Remember, letting uncolonizing jars sit around gives even the SMALLEST, WEAKEST spores and endospores a chance to gain ground. That said, your mycellium colonized the jar and took up the space, but the bacteria pressed up against the glass just waiting for its chance.

As far as myc piss goes: It could be a bacterial contamination with metabolites surrounding it, I've seen myc excrete metabolites to quarantine a contam before... That could add to its nice yellow hue.


Anyways, if you're comfortable getting possibly quite sick eating mushrooms, then go ahead, fruit the jar. If you value your health, then throw it away, because it's definately a crapshoot.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5871033 - 07/17/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm an amateur but my loot is on contam. I've never seen piss like that. It's too bright and too acute.

But to reiterate, I could definitely be wrong here.

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    #5871337 - 07/17/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Could make you sick or very sick, it's your choice.... could also come out entirely fine.

just remember, if you die, it's not because of the people here telling you should eat the shrooms off a contaminated cake.

Ultimately, the decision is yours. I understand that it takes a long time to get a cake completely colonized, but I think it's worth it to get it right once in a while... If that means ditching right before it's birthed... that's what I have to do. If you don't ditch, your health is in your hands. That bacteria can get onto the mushroom, even though it fruits normallly, and it can make you sick.

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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5876303 - 07/19/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> so if this cake flushes as a normal cake would....you think its gunna kill me?

No. Anything that landed in your jar and grew is something that's in the environment all around you all the time. It's possible that it's a dangerous contam, but highly, highly unlikely. Eating mushrooms from a casing made with it would be no more dangerous than eating a piece of bread that had a spot of mold on it.

For all the nay-sayers and fearmongers that like to try and scare people I've never seen any reliable reports of anyone EVER getting sick from a contaminated mushroom substrate.

It would be just like forgetting to check your bread and accidentally eating a spot of mold. Sure it's not the best thing in the world, but the chances of it making you sick are very slim.

Did you examine the spots when you cased it? Be sure to post, I'm dying to know the results since my opinion seems to be at odds with most of the other posts in this thread.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5876512 - 07/19/06 04:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was under the impression there cant be one without the other? The so called "piss" is simply a chemical reaction by the mycellium to foriegn bacteria and contams. This "piss" actually kills most bacteria foriegn to mycellium. Or maybe I'm simply RETARDED lol.


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    #5876593 - 07/19/06 05:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> The so called "piss" is simply a chemical reaction by the mycellium to foriegn bacteria and contams.

No, it's not specifically a bacterial response. Myc produces excess "piss" in response to metabolic stress IMO. Mainly heat, CO2, and overly long incubation.

RR says it also happens in response to bacterial contams, so I'm sure this is true, but it's not the main cause of myc piss.

> This "piss" actually kills most bacteria foriegn to mycellium.

RR claims this, I don't really find it surprising though. Most organism's metabolic wasteproducts (aka "piss") are toxic to most forms of life. They're wasteproducts because they have to be excreted so that they don't build up to toxic levels and kill the organism itself. Every organism that respires produces wasteproducts, myc is no different.


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: fastfred]
    #5876623 - 07/19/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I couldnt agree more, truthfully the only information I have to go on is yours and RR. It doesnt surprise me that myc. has a waste product that is harmful to different forms of life. Especially forms of life that are harmful to the organism itself.

Basically the point im trying to resolve is the fact that myc. "piss" doesnt occure unless the myc. is under some type of stress from things such as the stuff you mentioned: CO2, Bacteria, Heat, anything harmful to the myc. itself. So can we at least agree that myc. "piss" is a result of UNWANTED stress in one form or the other?


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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #5877092 - 07/19/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, we can't agree. Mycelium does not urinate, period.

Metabolytes can be secreted whether the mycelium is under stress or not. I've often seen quite large puddles of metabolytes forming on the top of manure based substrates during initial colonization. These substrates were not exposed to excess temps, co2, or a long incubation period. I've also seen and photographed metabolytes forming on a petri dish being colonized in completely sterile conditions. Mycologists agree that the metabolytes have a protective function and that they're antimicrobial. Some production of metabolyte is going to occur no matter what. Perhaps the mycelium is producing them for the future, sort of like us buying insurance before we have an accident.

Most of the antibiotics we use for medicine are produced from mycelium metabolytes. I know of no common medicine produced from urine. Using such terms as 'piss' only shows vulgarity and ignorance of mycology. Let's clean it up please.
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Re: CONTAM OR PISS (PICTURE) [Re: ]
    #5884355 - 07/21/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i have a bad feeling for you that that's going to soon be covered in green.

looks like hints of it already... and i just know that look that your cake has going. that raised white spot you describe as having "spider eyes" looks a lot like green before it turns green. it also secretes metabolites, and it appears to be doing so.

ill cross my fingers for you but we'll see soon enough.


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