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OfflineSimpleThoughts
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drugs don't work...
    #5866788 - 07/16/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What i mean by that is that the only thing drugs do is to make you escape from the reality of life that is in front of your eyes right now.Sure it help creativity and to be more open minded but you must stop someday because it makes you think all kind of things and learn about life. But if you always want to know more, and thats the trick of intelligence and life, and God knows that.It makes you waste your precious time here in life thinking but not doing anything. Thats the reason why so many people lose they're life to drugs, people die because they know too much so stop taking care of themselves.Its like a test by God, he give you all the emotions and the great feelings with drugs but all these feelings are all placebo because theres nothing of this actually real there's plenty of things to do in life to live these feelings for real.You have to know how and when to stop, if you can't it means that you don't have control over yourself. The imagination and creativiy that drugs give you during the time you take them will not go away if you stop using drugs. It will be in you're system forever thats what i experienced, i also learned that drugs give you the goals in you're life and the dreams hiding in you but if you don't ever stop like i said you will live in you're head and never accomplish anything that you really wanted in your life.


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THE WORLD IS WHAT HE IS, THE ONLY THINGS WE
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InvisibleTheHateCamel
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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: SimpleThoughts]
    #5866792 - 07/16/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is English your first language?


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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #5866798 - 07/16/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, but you're saying "Drugs don't work" then you say " The imagination and creativiy that drugs give you during the time you take them will not go away if you stop using drugs."... Doesn't that mean they work?


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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: SimpleThoughts]
    #5866833 - 07/16/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I must say dude you seem to be speaking for all of us, and you don't have a clue. Your limitations are yours and not mine. I find the reverse of your premise to be true. I have lots more experience, most likely, to back it up. I'm in my 50s and my life has never been better or richer. I never quit using psychedelics and started in 1970.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: Icelander]
    #5866876 - 07/16/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, my personal philosophy is not everyone should use drugs, but then again, not everyone should NOT use drugs. :borfase:


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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #5866936 - 07/16/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TheHateCamel said:
Is English your first language?




hehe not really i try my best to be understand ^_-)

When i turned 18 i decided to trip has much i possibly can but only for one year. Now i'm 19 and i don't need anything from drug anymore because of what i learned and said in my post. I used drugs as a experience and it made me realize. When i say that drugs don't work i only mean that they should be taken like i did for exemple 1 year and after you stop but not for only tripping on weekend.Don't know if you understand what i mean... ^_^)

And Icelander i think you get me wrong, i don't want to speak for anybody. I only wanted to share my thoughts on this with you guys and know what you think about it.


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THE WORLD IS WHAT HE IS, THE ONLY THINGS WE
HAVE TO DO IS, RESPECT IT AND DEAL WITH IT.


Edited by SimpleThoughts (07/16/06 07:33 PM)


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InvisibleTheHateCamel
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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: SimpleThoughts]
    #5866990 - 07/16/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I had a feeling it wasn't.

I don't think your idea came across exactly as you would have liked it to.

What you're talking about is really dependent on personal experience, which can vary tremendously.


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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: SimpleThoughts]
    #5867020 - 07/16/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And Icelander i think you get me wrong, i don't want to speak for anybody. I only wanted to share my thoughts on this with you guys and know what you think about it.

Well then I think you're wrong. :wink: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: Icelander]
    #5867253 - 07/16/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Doesnt that strike you as kind of fucked up that God put drugs in front of us to test us? Just like christianity as a whole, "hey, i think ill give these creatures all these urges and then say thou shalt not act on them, that will be fun to watch!"


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Offlinebuddhathehut
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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: shroomer44]
    #5867340 - 07/16/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

God acts like a drug fiend according to the current Christial idealization- he takes it upon himself to play around with important shit with no aim in sight and ends up fucking about half of what he does up. -


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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: SimpleThoughts]
    #5867347 - 07/16/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If I get the main point of what you're saying, I think I do agree to some degree. I think that we all may eventually reach a point where we feel that there is not much left to be learned from psychedelic (or other) drugs. However, I think that your experience, that of trying an intense but short period of experimentation, may not be the same as one I may have, or one another person may have. Really what you can learn from psychedelic drugs varies greatly from person to person, however I do agree that it's important not to let the recreational aspects take over your life.

If I misunderstood anything, please correct me.  :peace:


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The story goes, or the way that I was told
There was a king that always felt too high and then he fell too low
And so he called all the wise men to the hall
And begged them for a gift to end the rises and the falls
But here’s the thing, they came back with a ring
It was simple and was plainly unbefitting of a king
Engraved in black, it had no front or back
But there were words around the band that said
Just know: This Too Shall Pass



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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: shroomer44]
    #5867366 - 07/16/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

shroomer44 said:
Doesnt that strike you as kind of fucked up that God put drugs in front of us to test us? Just like christianity as a whole, "hey, i think ill give these creatures all these urges and then say thou shalt not act on them, that will be fun to watch!"




You must be mistaking me with someone who believes that there is some God that would care about any of this in the least.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: Icelander]
    #5867419 - 07/16/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just want to hug a big bag of drugs- and so I shall. :::::hug:::::


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Re: drugs don't work... [Re: Icelander]
    #5867652 - 07/16/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In Western culture altered states of mind are considered "good" if they're achieved by effort such as fasting or praying.  Drugs as a vehicle for obtaining this same end, for whatever reason, are deprecated. 

If you keep in mind at all times that this is a Western perspective, you'll be ok.

And, while I'm here, just because you don't see the value of an alternate state of consciousness doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 

Don't believe everything you think.

:wink:

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