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Blalron
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How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores?
#5866370 - 07/16/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's an eventual goal of mine to be completely independent of spore sources just in case the dreaded day comes when they outlaw spores. So I'd like to hear some success stories to give me hope. Is there anyone here that's been doing this for years by sporeprinting/taking cultures without having it completely ruined by contamination?
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monstermitch
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: Blalron]
#5866407 - 07/16/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes.
one print or one drop of spore solution should last you a lifetime.
just keep it going.
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Slooch
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: Blalron]
#5866430 - 07/16/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I orderd a strain in the mail and have used that to propigate 100's of prints. Never needed to order any more, however I AM going to have to order a new strain, so I can perminately own that strain for years.
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va_shroomer
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: Blalron]
#5866446 - 07/16/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude you don't even need spores. Do a tissue clone; either in a liquid culture or on agar plates. You might be able to just plop it in the grain jar directly, but I'm not sure, and I think you'd have a better chance with LC or wedges of mycelium. Also, if you use a tissue clone instead of spores, you can add Hydrogen Peroxide to the solution to prevent contams from forming (it doesn't hurt the myc.).
If they ban spores (and I think they will sometime, especially with these things getting more popular), you'll always be able to get them from dealers. Just buy a shroom and clone it. Kind of like with pot (people buy it and use the seeds . . . actually I don't know much about that; I'm sure some get it from growers, just like in the future a lot of people will get prints from other growers).
Hope that helped.
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ant61

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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: va_shroomer]
#5866814 - 07/16/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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what?
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imtank
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: ant61]
#5866891 - 07/16/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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you cant clone weed from bud...you need to take a cutting from the plant before it start to flower...
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beatnicknick
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: imtank]
#5868100 - 07/17/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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He was saying about how you can seeds out of the bud... silly goose.
Anyway, anyone know how long spores last in the dark, nonrefrigerated, and also, in the fridge? I'm thinking about buying like 10 spore syringes just in case this day does come, I wont have to worry about screw up a strain. The only thing is, I don't know how long they'll last not in the fridge, which is where I CAN'T keep them.
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creamcorn
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: beatnicknick]
#5868431 - 07/17/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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syringes should keep at least 6 months, probably a year or longer as long as they don't end up germinating in the syringe. (which they shouldn't if they were prepared properly.)
refrigerated or not doesn't really matter.
if you want long term storage, prints last longer.
i've never gotten more than a single syringe of any given strain, just take your own prints from the first grow... use liquid cultures and you rarely need to work from the prints at all, when you run low on prints, print again, and you're set indefinitenly.
the law moves slow. even if they announced a bill to outlaw spores, we'd hear about it, and probably have several months to stock up before the time came anyway.
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beatnicknick
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: creamcorn]
#5868649 - 07/17/06 09:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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True, and then how would we get new growers' spores? We'd have to have some sort of underground system. Let's just hope that this day doesn't come for a looong llooong time.
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creamcorn
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: beatnicknick]
#5868668 - 07/17/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha that's their problem 
Most whom are resourceful enough to pull off quality grows are resourceful enough to find spores without the aid of the internet. I got started looong before I even heard of the Shroomery, the sponsors, etc.
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beatnicknick
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: creamcorn]
#5868702 - 07/17/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well you'd have to have a connect, how resourceful can you be if you live in the middle of no where, where the only boomers they know about are 12 gauge shot guns and the only tripping they do is over a big stick when they're on there four wheeler drunk as hell?
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Edited by beatnicknick (07/17/06 09:36 AM)
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creamcorn
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: beatnicknick]
#5868760 - 07/17/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where there's a will, there's a way.
Think of all the DEA watched chemicals and equipment that still somehow make it into the hands of designer drug cooks... etc. Outlawing spores would be a minor bump in the road.
If I had to, I'd simply road trip to somewhere where they grow naturally outdoors, and take all the prints I want. Laws won't stop mother nature.
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beatnicknick
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: creamcorn]
#5868857 - 07/17/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
creamcorn said: Laws won't stop mother nature.
True that bro, true that. I think that quote needs to be in somones siggy.
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Edited by beatnicknick (07/17/06 10:40 AM)
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MrMolotov
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: beatnicknick]
#5868864 - 07/17/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm hoping to never have to beg for spores again i just got my print of PR in the mail and ooo already have two master syringes and like 7 or 8 regular syringes for making tons of LC's kinda sucks how the spores decided to clump together and look retarded but i didn't have any jet dry heh oh well...
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Edited by MrMolotov (07/17/06 10:49 AM)
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CoolMojo
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: MrMolotov]
#5869428 - 07/17/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If spores are outlawed you'd just have to order them from outside the country. It would be prints from that point on but it would be easier to order prints then it is for US growers to order cannabis seeds now and that happens every day.
The main fear I'd have for the outlaw of spores is what it would do to the spore venders inside the US, move our give up the business you've had for years. The good old goverment shaft.
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fastfred
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: CoolMojo]
#5869775 - 07/17/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> We'd have to have some sort of underground system.
Ha! An underground spore railroad! We'd smuggle spores to the freedom of a FC.
How about this... Start a petition that states "I oppose the illegality of psilocybe spores in my state." Any real petition requires your name and address. If some spore prints happened to be secretly mailed out to those addresses...
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2FiNiTe
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Re: How many generations of grows have you done without ordering new spores? [Re: Blalron]
#5870053 - 07/17/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've bought spores one time. Since then i've made Liquid cultures. As for the species of spores I got, I will never have to buy spores again. Unless I want to grow a different species. I use spore prints to create my liquid cultures.
Also I've been experiementing with mycellium from fully colonized cakes and mycellium from the inside of shroom stems. Using it to create liquid cultures. Both seem to be growing quite well. I dont see the need for ANYONE to buy spores from the same species more than 1 time. ANYONE can make a liquid culture, ANYONE can get a spore print. Well anyone that has working arms, hands, and a some-what working brain.
If you need a Tek or Guide to liquid cultures send me a PM or serch for Otto's recent post "beginner friendly liquid culture" I have made my first few LC's in the last week or so and I've been using Otto's method. Simple, explainatory, and effective.
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