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VirgilKane
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Are these cactus babies OK?
#5865862 - 07/16/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Any help would be appreciated on this.
These seedlings are aprox. 2 months old. I started hardening them off about 3 weeks ago by adding first 2 then 4 1/4 inch holes in the plastic lid that covers them. I put them outside abut 2 weeks ago (at least 85% humidity outside...usually about 90 to 95%) and the moisture stopped condensing on the lid about a week ago. I misted them yesterday.
They are in sifted cactus dirt mixed with crush coral and sand with a thin layer of sand on top. I had 10 of 12 pop up and do fine until I started to harden them off and now they look like this.
The older ones started turning that reddish brown color about a week ago. They are not in the sun at all...not even filtered. I have left the lid on them until I was ready to graft to keep cats, birds...whatever out of them. Some of the older haven't turned that color though and are just getting the regular dark green like the one on the far right in the last picture.
  
Are they in trouble or is this normal?
Thanks.
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5865943 - 07/16/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just a slight 'burn' from the sun. Nothing to worry about.
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: Schwip]
#5866150 - 07/16/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great! Thanks Schwip! I hope you're right, but they are under a covered patio about 8 feet from the edge. They were sprouted under a Fluorescent light.
I was hoping it was just sunburn, but they are so far from the edge of the Patio that I couldn't see how that could be. I just had the thought that the plastic lid that was still over then could magnify the little light that comes their way though.
Plus the lid does reduce airflow a lot.
Should I remove the lid altogether since they are hardened off and take my chances on any animals that happen by??
My Pereskiopsis are about a week away from being rooted enough to graft on to....I hope.
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5866230 - 07/16/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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is that beach sand?
you'd probably be better off using a top dressing of something with a larger grain, but if thats beach sand then you have bigger problems
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: faslimy]
#5866465 - 07/16/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, it's "play" sand that I pasteurized in the oven (along with the other ingredients) that I got from a hardware store.
It's pretty loose and not compacted that I can tell....
-------------------- Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense... "Religion is a defense against a religious experience" Carl G. Jung "So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience." Terence McKenna
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5866619 - 07/16/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should spend a few bucks and get some cactus soil.
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5866663 - 07/16/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
schapper said:
They are in sifted cactus dirt mixed with crush coral and sand with a thin layer of sand on top.
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5866732 - 07/16/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well pasteurizing the sand will kill fungus and things but if the sand is beach sand and not river sand then it will be heavy with salt. The colour of your seedlings could be a result of acidic soil conditions. Also fine sand will compact over time with waterings and not allow oxygen to the roots.
Whatever 'play' sand is I doubt it was taken from a river
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: faslimy]
#5866810 - 07/16/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Play" as in playground or sandbox sand. (Hey, that's what it's labeled as on the bag!)
It says on the bag that it's "washed, dried and screened".
If it does have salt in it, would the seeds germinate and grow even this long? I have another batch that are the same age and still completly covered up with a lid (no holes yet) and they are still pale green like these were before moving outside.
The point is taken that a courser grade should have been used, but what now? It's only a fine layer of sand (maybe 1/64th of an inch)and the roots are probably into the soil by now....
Would transplanting them into pure cactus soil be feasible at this young an age? Or maybe just try to get the sand out of there? If so, any tips or links would be greatly appreciated!
This is my first batch of Babies and I'm in the dark about how big the roots are and how much I can handle them....
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5866898 - 07/16/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmm, they might be alright. I assumed you had to put the sand on as you took them outside. Just see what happens with this batch, try different methods with other batches and see what works best.
I guess I wouldn't recommend transplanting them yet but it can be done, at that age they would probably only have 1-2 cm of roots. They don't look that bad, keep them in well filtered light and they should green up again, if the conditions are good.
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: faslimy]
#5867007 - 07/16/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll keep my finger crossed!
Thanks for the info, if anyone else knows of anything I might need to watch out for, please let me know!
-------------------- Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense... "Religion is a defense against a religious experience" Carl G. Jung "So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience." Terence McKenna
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5867349 - 07/16/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you will be o.k. with leaving the lid off now.
When i did my grafts the buttons were about that big and they took off great!
Also ended up transplanting mine at the same age(the ones that were not grafted).... They seemed a little 'shocked' at first, but acclimated just fine.
Once they are a few months old they are pretty hardy little plants The biggest worry would be over watering/fungal disease. But it seems you have soil that will drain well enough to avoid any problems in that area.
Keep up the good work and enjoy your sacred little friends company
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: Schwip]
#5867597 - 07/16/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks again, Schwip!
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: VirgilKane]
#5872788 - 07/18/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't worry about it. They look good. Mine did the same thing for a little bit. They should start to plump up soon. The color will even out and you will start to see more pronounced tufts of hair. How is that little one, I sent? I'll try to get some pics of it's siblings posted soon.
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Re: Are these cactus babies OK? [Re: cricket]
#5873866 - 07/18/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now this baby stays in the House!! I don't want some bird thinking a juicy green worm's ass is sticking up out of the dirt and come by and pluck it out!!
Thanks for the info, Bro!!
Oh, how are those Pere's?
-------------------- Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense... "Religion is a defense against a religious experience" Carl G. Jung "So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience." Terence McKenna
Edited by schapper (07/18/06 03:12 PM)
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Here they are. I know it took me forever to get them posted. I hope they were worth the wait.
If two heads better then one?
 It must be great that we both have little, two headed monsters.
The rest of the family.

My Medicine Wheel

A graft pic just for fun.
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Re: family reunion [Re: cricket]
#5890129 - 07/23/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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everything looks great, you should realy get soem perkopsis cuttings. you can get monsters in a year or less
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Re: family reunion [Re: Legoulash]
#5890596 - 07/23/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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How exactly does grafting peyote/triches to perkopsis cuttings work? Are the cacti as potent? Wouldn't the perk's stem bend?
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