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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Vvellum]
#5868698 - 07/17/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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it'll be sooo good when israel finally stabilizes the region for world peace
did anyome see the missiles the heznuts fired into israel? they were filled with buckshot with the intentions of maiming everyone and anyone indiscriminately that is so nasty and scandalous most of the arab world is condemning them except syria which is understandable being that they are supplying the heznuts with these weapons of mass murder they and islam truly is an evil thing to behold i hope my opinion hasnt offended anyone
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: quiver]
#5868785 - 07/17/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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they were filled with buckshot with the intentions of maiming everyone and anyone indiscriminately
anti-personnel fragmentation bombs are one of the mainstays of conventional warfare, so that in itself is no more outrageous than war itself. 9/10 hand grenades, for instance, achieve their killzone through the use of deliberately included shrapnel.
I'm not defending the terrorists, but just want to point out that anti-personnel fragmentation bombs are by no means excessively cruel as compared to other weapons. Warfare is ugly, very ugly.
There are however rumours that Israel used fuel-air explosives, which use a toxic fuel. If this is in fact the case then they have used a registered chemical weapon in direct violation of WMD conventions, which is an excessively cruel weapon.
If Israel indeed introduced chemical weapons to the battle, then they deserve the Yokel Award of Exceeding Stupidity.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Asante]
#5868879 - 07/17/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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but the weapons you and i mentioned are for BATTLEFIELDS not city streets the well aimed and professional strikes israel are making are to destroy infrastructure...not maim people ofcourse this changes with the enemies choices,actions,foolishness. if israel decided to use germs or whatever it would be in retaliation and probably justified in their eyes
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: quiver]
#5868899 - 07/17/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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but the weapons you and i mentioned are for BATTLEFIELDS not city streets
If they were used IN city streets, that would make it pretty clear though.
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if israel decided to use germs or whatever it would be in retaliation and probably justified in their eyes
If Israel nuked Belgium it would be justified in their eyes. Yesterday the Israeli army got carte blanche to use any means to achieve their objectives.
A number of cars were hit by Israeli incendiary bombs which fried 18 people to death. What kind of soldier would napalm the highway to burn fleeing civilians? Or isn't napalm/incendiary gel an indiscriminate weapon? Shoot, in this use it constitutes to chemical weapons use.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Asante]
#5868928 - 07/17/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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your first answer is a great political response,i don't understand it.
i dont know what youre talking about in your second comment aswell
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#5868942 - 07/17/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like people on here have no idea whats actualy going on in the Middle east. If they HAD the same weapons the israelis do they would be using them the sam way. But sadly Nobody really wants to give them equal power. Thats why people these days think terrorists (millitias) are so evil because they use what we call unconventional warfare. However the U.S. itself has used terrorism many times including Shock and Awe during the invasion of Iraq. They launch those missiles because its all they have.
If they could target all there missiles on military structure, and government THEY WOULD. But they cant because all they have are little missiles that can barely blow out windows. The question should be asked however, sense Israeli's weapons are so precise why have so many civilians died?
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: quiver]
#5868944 - 07/17/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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1 - if such a battlefield weapon is used in urbanb areas it has in effect become a chemical weapon.
2 - it looks like Israel already stops at nothing, because they napalmed a strip of highway burning 18 people to death.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: satori85]
#5868968 - 07/17/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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human shields?
 ok lets give the heznuts nukes so its fair,why dont the arab professors teaching in arab universites and labs make some better more precise weapons then?
why hasnt israel used their nukes yet? they must be waiting until its fair
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: satori85]
#5868984 - 07/17/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats why people these days think terrorists (millitias) are so evil because they use what we call unconventional warfare.
I hope we are a gamer or in the military 
Those rockets Hezbollah fires are normal, run-of-the-mill conventional warfare. And targetting civilians is standard practice in warfare too.
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all they have are little missiles that can barely blow out windows
at 100 times the force of a hand grenade a Palestinian made Quassam 3 can do a bit more than blow out a window, their problem is getting them to land in the location they wanted over a reasonable distance and the Katyusha rocket

by no means is a firecracker too. They can't aim so they shoot big targets, and the biggest targets of all are population centers.
So the rockets are common military action. What specifically makes them terrorists are such things as beheading hostages and blowing up buses.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Asante]
#5869047 - 07/17/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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so you condone targetting civilians....thats not very nice and the very reason why you shouldnt complain when it happens back,goosey goosey gander
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: quiver]
#5869167 - 07/17/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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so you condone targetting civilians....
Not at all. But it is common practice in war. I don't condone war too.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Asante]
#5869190 - 07/17/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And targetting civilians is standard practice in warfare too.
sounds like you condone it to me or does it only count when america or israel does it?
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: quiver]
#5869313 - 07/17/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nobody should target civiliansd but everybody's doing it.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: quiver]
#5869387 - 07/17/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I doubt he condones it On CNN Live Today they were interviewing an American expat in Lebanon, and she said that the IDF was hitting targets that have little or nothing to do with Hezbollah. Now, if this is true, philosophically and probably morally (as far as warfare goes) this is pretty much on par with Hezbollah launching makeshift rockets into areas in Israel where there are no IDF. Complete lack of regard for civilian life is common for both ends of any kind of warfare. War is hell, and war is evil. Bi0 pretty summed it up. No side has the moral right of way here, both sides are assholes and both sides are not appreciating the value of life of the other side's non-combatants. Likewise, there's a place in Hell for both the IDF and Hezbollah.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Basilides]
#5869408 - 07/17/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MK77 Incendiary devices are banned by the Geneva Convetion. If Israel is using these weapons then they can not complain about their enemy disregarding the Geneva convention. This is when a limited war turns into a absolute war.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mk77.htm It often will burn a body to the bone but it leaves the clothes because the mixture has a chemical reaction towards oxygen and water.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Basilides]
#5869413 - 07/17/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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In reference to your last foolishness, hezbollah can end this in two minutes by releasing the hostages. They shouldn't be let off the hook so easy because they did murder some other Israelis. Unprovoked. But ther release will probbaly be enough. As to the other thing about significant numbers of 16th century assholes supporting terrorism and my failure to link what I thought almost any sentient being was aware of we can go here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht.../ixnewstop.html
which contains this information: "YouGov sought to gauge the character of the Muslim community's response to the events of July 7. As the figures in the chart show, 88 per cent of British Muslims clearly have no intention of trying to justify the bus and Tube murders.
However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified.
Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do."
That's from a poll of Limey troglodytes, who one would expect to be more moderate than cave troglodytes, such as inhabit Afghanistan and Iran and Syria and Saudi Arabia. Thus my 10% number is not so nuts, is it. And that translates into 100 million troglodytes. Significant in my book. Outrageous claim? I don't think so.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: zappaisgod]
#5869432 - 07/17/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't see why the burden of responsibility should be on any particular side when both sides are void of any kind kind of moral high ground. Hezbollah may have technically started all this by kidnapping 2 soldiers (God forbid), but Israel's response has been less than righteous. Some 100 Lebanese civilians (including 7 Canadians!) have been killed thus far in Israel's soccer mom hysteria to retrieve two live soldiers.
I reiterate, there is a special place in Hell for both the IDF and Hezbollah.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Basilides]
#5869454 - 07/17/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, you are just so egregiously wrong it wobbles the mind. It's like if I come into your house, kill your wife, fuck your daughter and eat your dog with a nice bearnaise sauce. Then I take your son hostage. Now you, properly enraged and distraught call the police and they decide that since the bad guys are holed up in an apartment building, owned and operated and populated by supporters of the thugs they can't do anything at all. Why do you hate Jews so much, that even the most obvious situations are beyond your understanding? Thank zappa that no one like you is anywhere near in power anymore.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: zappaisgod]
#5869522 - 07/17/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Soldiers are expendable. Israel should just move on, or send forces to go get the fucking soldiers, not blow up cities.
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Re: All their weapons are indiscriminate [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5869572 - 07/17/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's how I see it:
Hizbollah started it by kidnapping two soldiers -- bad move, but they are soldiers, i.e. military targets, which is better than the usual terrorist tactic of targeting civilians.
Israel overreacts by killing several civilians and taking out infrastructure -- also a bad move. Kidnapping sucks, but it's not as bad as indiscriminately killing civilians.
Hizbollah sends missiles into northern Israel, also killing civilians indiscriminately -- Fuck them.
Ok, so Hizbollah deserves the blame for starting it, but technically Israel is the first party in this conflict to actually kill anyone, and their victims were mostly civilians. Then Hizbollah does more of the same shit to Israel. And all of this started over two soldiers who haven't even been killed. I have a feeling that Israel is using this as an excuse for doing something they've been wanting to do anyway.
my $0.02
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