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Give it a try?
    #5863719 - 07/16/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Can we all remember not to take any violent action. Just try not to cause physical or mental harm to anyone. Is that too much to ask?

Anyone with me?


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5863722 - 07/16/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's all we should ever expect of one another.

It's hard though. Especially on the mental side.

Things are complicated.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5863740 - 07/16/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Piss off you limey fucking bloke! I oughta slap you in the mouth!






Kidding. I could give it a shot.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5863754 - 07/16/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

^ :smile:

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
That's all we should ever expect of one another.

It's hard though.  Especially on the mental side.

Things are complicated.




Well lets dwell on that. Maybe we can discover what the problem is and find a solution. What makes it complicated?


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5863763 - 07/16/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are ourselves, and that is all we are, as much as the nature of reality is such that all things are one, it is impossible to ignore that Perception exists, and that Perception is the basis for reality as we experience it. I have my wants, you have your wants, we all have the same needs and anything beyond that is Want. These things are bound to overlap and to clash. No one can be expected to take the time to think about everyone else all of the time.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5863790 - 07/16/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well said, but does 'want' really have to cause damage to other people? There are many things i want, but you can't have everything you want, especially if it conflicts with other people.

Also, early in life we develope our likes and dislikes. What we want is created by us, so can't there be something in our lives that develope a more peaceful want.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5864268 - 07/16/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It doesn't have to, but it usually does. satisfying a 'Want' usually doesn't really satisfy (as opposed to satisfying a need) it only leads to more want which eventually bumps into the wants of others, leading to conflict. The hardest thing is to distinguish between needs and wants.

But I'm with you. Let's kick some serious non-violent ass. Or, you know, some less violent metaphor...
:peace: :hippie: :peace:


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Give it a go? [Re: Phishe]
    #5864316 - 07/16/06 04:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"One may say one are trying, but one got to do it, to do it!"
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Re: Give it a go? [Re: Gomp]
    #5864324 - 07/16/06 04:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Humans are inherently self-centered and belittling others in anyway feeds our ego.

Would a win be a win if no1 else lost?


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Re: Give it a go? [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5864327 - 07/16/06 04:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ego's are stupid IMO


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Re: Give it a go? [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5864364 - 07/16/06 04:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Why would one's happiness depend on the unhappiness of others?

I know that's how it works for many people, but it really makes no sense.

Damn our insecure little egos.


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Re: Give it a go? [Re: koppie]
    #5864876 - 07/16/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The "wants" and desires is a big part of unhappiness, and it is easer to accept it with dislike rather than change it and become stronger in return. To change it would be to give you're self more control over your "wants" and desires of when and where so you will have the strength to "stand down" when some one else can not live w/out having their "wants" because they are impatient and so unaware as a person to acknowledge or see that any one else matters the way they do. It may not seem fair but by doing this you gain so much Patience, self awareness, happiness that you have the mind awareness to let things pass you with out getting huffy puffy and contributing to the problem.... people learn more if you give them room to see there own problem, let them make them selves obvious, they will feel like an ass or will see how rude or whatever they were being and want to be more courteous for the next person and some will not care or even see but at least you can have a smoother existence and a happier every day, and when you let people be in there own rudeness with out it hurting you it helps them. Well I hope I am making sense.


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Re: Give it a go? [Re: Phishe]
    #5864898 - 07/16/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

As a general rule I don't find it too hard to live my life in such a way that doesn't harmfully impact others. It's really not difficult to not hurt people. I mean, c'mon.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5864900 - 07/16/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

see the movie 'strawdogs' with dustin hoffman
he tries to do that too
as much as id love that,its practically impossible without looking like a coward

how many times can we turn our cheeks?


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5864907 - 07/16/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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quiver said:
see the movie 'strawdogs' with dustin hoffman
he tries to do that too
as much as id love that,its practically impossible without looking like a coward

how many times can we turn our cheeks?




So looking "cool" or "tough" or "manly" is more important than not hurting other people? That's fucking retarded.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: unbeliever]
    #5864922 - 07/16/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: is all i can say to that flame

try to expand your little mind and see the bigger picture and get back to me in a year or so


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5864941 - 07/16/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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quiver said:
:lol: is all i can say to that flame

try to expand your little mind and see the bigger picture and get back to me in a year or so




Hurting people is never right. Period. Even if it's in retaliation for something deserving, it's still wrong even if you can rationalize it. It's why I don't support the death penalty. That and the system is far from infallible.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: unbeliever]
    #5864966 - 07/16/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i never said it was right
sometimes we have no choice in the matter and sometimes your attackers/abusers know that and hope and expect you not to fight and the harrasment can be endless till there comes a crunch


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5864990 - 07/16/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What I said went over you head. I fail to understand your way of thinking, is it that it is too much effort for a change or that you are satisfied and feel their should be none?
I am not attacking you I am learning.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: youngirl]
    #5865042 - 07/16/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i didnt read your post sorry
maybe its just the way i am but i've tried being nice and have been slapped in the face more than enough

i know violence breeds violence but then again i know some people don't care whether it does or not and commit violent acts upon you regardless.i spose i'm trying to say some people want to hurt you whether you believe in violence or not and they'll try too

i'm going by my own experience

what should i do...lay down and let them beat me for their own feelings sake?
let them feel sad and guilty after theyve kill me so they'll realize "hey guys,we shouldnt have done that to him,he was anti-violent"?


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5865056 - 07/16/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I am totally non violent(I fought a lil bit when I was younger but nothing big)...if someone fucked with a friend or my girl tho I'd be on em like white on rice(using lame lil remarks like that as I pummel :P)

seriously tho I feel like violence in most cases is fuckin stupid and pointless...but again if someone I loved was in trouble I would resort to it in a flash

I also love competitive violence...boxing ufc pride fc...fucking LOVE that shit...besides thats not really about hurting someone its about skill...those guys have about as much respect as u can have for another human being as well


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5865060 - 07/16/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think there's a difference between defending yourself and provoking or starting some sort of violence. For instance, the only time I can imagine I would be inclined to use any sort of 'violence' per-se would be if someone was actually physically harming me. Otherwise, if they were just threatening me or taunting me or anything else, I'd try to find a way around a violent resolution.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: unbeliever]
    #5865086 - 07/16/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Hurting people is never right. Period. Even if it's in retaliation for something deserving, it's still wrong even if you can rationalize it. It's why I don't support the death penalty. That and the system is far from infallible.




What about if you're getting paid to do it legally? I would be an unhappy person without fighting. I love muay thai, that and pharmaceutical sciences are my life.







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Re: Give it a try? [Re: dblaney]
    #5865101 - 07/16/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

exactly
but what if the taunters are doing things like disturbing your childrens sleep,threatening them infront of you and when you call the law about it,they say,"we cant do nothing unless we catch them in the act or commit a crime" and as soon as the law leaves they start again?

when i tried to approach them and make friends they laughed and told me to 'get fucked,we not to know you' and started harrassing me and my kids 10 times worse?


what if they threw common courtesy/decency out on the street and stepped on it just to make your life a misery?
when it got to the crucnh,two attacked me with a pipe and i fought for my life and one nearly died
the law accused me of being maliciously violent and the judge found me 'not guilty' so to me,i was judged by my accusers peers and did what any reasonable man/father would have done and i'd do it again if i had too


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5865109 - 07/16/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I see where you are coming from, It is a dedication and you have to want to stay away from having that kind of influence in your life, If you are constantly around situations that make you feel like defending your self or look like a "puss" then you should think about what part of that negative stuff is a must have and remove from your life, That way when you have to use your patience to let some one have theirs even if they don't "deserve" it you will have it and feel good for it. People usually feel like an ass and even if they don't show it they know you are right and don't think of you as a "puss" If anything they will feel like the"puss".


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5865111 - 07/16/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i also better add that i only had a public defender so money didnt get me off neither


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5865116 - 07/16/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Get a gun. Put it to their skull. DONT PULL THE TRIGGER.

Non-violence at its best.


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: youngirl]
    #5865138 - 07/16/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

believe me,this took 10 years off my life and i wished it had never happened but it did
my kids have been through hell,so has my wife
the guy with the pipe after hitting my back 20 times went to hit her when she ran out screaming and i had to get in between and drag her in,then they made us mediate with them at the court while i was waitng to be judged as if to keep the peace incase i went away to gaol,
it was a living nightmare
we're in the process of trying to move up north to my family now


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5865147 - 07/16/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

TheMadConductor said:
Get a gun. Put it to their skull. DONT PULL THE TRIGGER.

Non-violence at its best.




thats what made me sick about the cops

they would have shot him dead if he had of been hitting his partner with the pipe if you know what i mean,then they put my fams and me through the ringer as if i shouldnt have defended myself

we cant own guns here,our women cant even use mace,its all illegal


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5865561 - 07/16/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

where do u live? and kudos for defending your family...every decent guy here would have done the same...it wouldn't even be a choice...natural instincts with kick in if the ppl u love are in danger


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5865586 - 07/16/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

also like to mention that watching pride fc/ufc/boxing is very inspiring for me...to watch someone keep fighting when their nose and hand is broken..barely able to stand from taking numerous blows...to never give up even when in horrible physical pain and risking possible brain damage or maybe even their life...to keep fighting till the end and never be satisfied coming in 2nd...when I watch guys able to do that it gives me great hope that I will be able to overcome the battles I face

I have sooo much respect for competitive fighters...there is no other sport that even compares imo


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5867562 - 07/16/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

pm'd iam
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Re: Give it a try? [Re: quiver]
    #5867994 - 07/17/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thx bro appreciate what u said :smile: and I agree with u


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Re: Give it a go? [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5918676 - 07/31/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Humans are inherently self-centered and belittling others in anyway feeds our ego.

Q: Would a win be a win if no1 else lost?




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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5918758 - 07/31/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Phishe said:
Can we all remember not to take any violent action. Just try not to cause physical or mental harm to anyone. Is that too much to ask?





This is pretty much how I live day to day... at first it took a little work, but its not really that hard :shrug:

In response to some of the other posts... It doesn't mean that you sit in a corner and cower if someone makes an attack against you... there's a difference between being the agressor as opposed to defending yourself...


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5918770 - 07/31/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Theres a phenomenon in Britain known as football Casuals.These people have good jobs,families, etc,but every Satarday they go and fight with whoever their team draws.Its all arranged on mobile phones to try to keep ahead of Dibble.Anyways, they kick the shit out of each other,and put the results on the web.Whats weird,is they all sit down and have a drink, and a laugh about it later, even tho some of them lose eyes/get scarred etc. :confused:Inanswer to the question,i always try to use violence as sparingly as possible. :cool:


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Re: Give it a try? [Re: Phishe]
    #5918788 - 07/31/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Phishe said:
Can we all remember not to take any violent action. Just try not to cause physical or mental harm to anyone. Is that too much to ask?

Anyone with me?




i think this could have been better stated. Try this....

Quote:

Can we all remember not to take any violent action. Just try not to cause physical harm to anyone, and don't allow yourself to be mentally harmed. Is that too much to ask?




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