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When I begin my "What's life" thinking..
    #5862921 - 07/15/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like I'm peaking on a mushroom trip. As weird as that sounds, it's almost like I can think myself into that pre-level 5 "mind pop". I don't like it...especially when I'm in public or in social situations. It doesn't externalize, it stays in my head but I don't like feeling that out of it, just from questioning what my life really is. I mean I'll be driving alone at night and I'll just feel like I'm behind or above my body watching myself drive like its a movie. I'm still in complete control, making the subtle adjustments with the wheel and everything but I can never get used to that feeling of panic. Anyone get similar feelings?


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: Newbie]
    #5862957 - 07/15/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well if thinking about what life is makes you feel panicky, then I'd suggest just not thinking about it or otherwise coming to peace with your thoughts.


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: dblaney]
    #5863110 - 07/15/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When I'm driving on shrooms, its just like you said, the sensation is like a movie, it is weird to say the least,

but I actually like this sensation, because the reason why feel detached, and this might clear up some of the jitters

is because you more so innately aware of your surroundings, that the separation is taking place because your mind is calculating the already innate ability to drive to make it even more innate, until its like third nature,

just assume the knowledge and hit the nitrous, LOL


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: Newbie]
    #5864060 - 07/16/06 01:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You probably 'got more' "drugs" in/as your brain, than you got in the entire world around/surrounding you..


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5864664 - 07/16/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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When I'm driving on shrooms, its just like you said, the sensation is like a movie, it is weird to say the least,




Yes, it is weird that someone in this community would actually drive around in their car while tripping on mushrooms. It doesn't surprise me in the least, but I thought that there was such a cornucopia of useful information and understanding here that would work agansit such a moronic, selfish, dangerous act.

Hopefully you don't hurt anyone else or ruin the public image of mushrooms that seems to be entering a positive light. All it takes is one moron to fuck shit up again. :rolleyes:

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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5864714 - 07/16/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: dblaney]
    #5865504 - 07/16/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that's really messed up :thumbdown:

Anyway, let me clarify my post a little bit.  It's not like I start tripping or I'm in that EXACT panic state of mind, but its like a very vibrant memory of it.  I haven't tripped in a few months, I definitely need the break, but the questions still remain and I was curious if anyone else knows what I mean.  Weed brings it on faster, but I can still sense it when I'm sober if I'm deep in thought.  Could this perhaps be a biproduct of meditation that I'm taking the wrong way?


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5865549 - 07/16/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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When I'm driving on shrooms, its just like you said, the sensation is like a movie, it is weird to say the least,




Yes, it is weird that someone in this community would actually drive around in their car while tripping on mushrooms. It doesn't surprise me in the least, but I thought that there was such a cornucopia of useful information and understanding here that would work against such a moronic, selfish, dangerous act.

Hopefully you don't hurt anyone else or ruin the public image of mushrooms that seems to be entering a positive light. All it takes is one moron to fuck shit up again. :rolleyes:

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Oh yeah there is some clear cut definitive rule in life that says driving on shrooms are completely stupid, did I say where I was driving, or how proficient that I am as a driver, and how aware I am off the hazards on the road,

in fact shrooms makes me drive better, in all the wrecks that I've been involved in, it was the other persons fault, usually its some fucking idiot that rears ends me, or some drunk that is belligerent to give a shit if he or she plays bumper cars,

I used to drive on the road for a living, and I'm more aware than average commuting joe, of what could possibly happen on the road,

so spare me the whole stupid kid, who's an ignorant moron spill, and come with something better than your dipstick response of what you think is right way


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5866433 - 07/16/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh yeah there is some clear cut definitive rule in life that says driving on shrooms are completely stupid, did I say where I was driving, or how proficient that I am as a driver, and how aware I am off the hazards on the road




Please, it is clearly a serious risk to oneself and others' safety. Driving a vehicle requires that one's perceptions aren't entirely altered, eh? The nature of a psychadelic experience is such that one can't exactly predict what will happen. I'm sure the parents in the thread in the Pub thought "oh, I'm a great parent, I can handle being on acid and caring for my kid at the same time, oops, now my baby is dead because I threw it at a rottweiler". :rolleyes:

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I used to drive on the road for a living, and I'm more aware than average commuting joe, of what could possibly happen on the road




So what? Putting psychadelics into the equation dramatically changes everything.

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so spare me the whole stupid kid, who's an ignorant moron spill, and come with something better than your dipstick response of what you think is right way




All right, go poll the mushroom community and ask them if they think driving while on mushrooms is the "right" thing to do. The oppurtunity is there for you to do so. Having a regard for oneself and others is not a "dipstick response", its called responsibility. The moment one's perception of time and space start to change is the moment that one should not be playing a deadly game that requires precise coordination, regardless of how much experience one has had.

Reality itself serves up the harshest lessons when one is irresponsible, but yet, unfortunately, it is often at the cost of others' well-being. Hopefully you gain a sense of reason before you consume more than a threshold dose of mushrooms and murder someone else on the highway.

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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5866591 - 07/16/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't quite agree with everything you said, but the concerns are well received,

but look everytime some casualty may take place, are u going to rule it out for everyone, of course you can come up with examples to suggest alot of other acts as well,

if you ruled out the act by its examples of casualty, would u know how unfree this world would be,

every time a teenager got killed in his sports car, or some bicyclist got ran over, or many other activities, such as snow sports and avalanches, mountain climbing and heights, say theirs been a few who tripped hard say off a horse, and he couldn't walk, or say someone had helicopter wreck, and those perished, do we stop no, you can't judge actions based on the casualties of other situations, and in each situation one could of exercised great responsibilty in obeying the laws of ones hobby, but risk is inevitable, calculated risk is in the eye of the preceiver, right or wrong judgement is not so definitive IMO when it comes to stuff like this


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5866756 - 07/16/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:what:  From what I gathered, you're basicaly saying just because someone is injured while driving on shrooms doesn't mean you will be too.

You're completely right.  It doesn't mean you WILL, but your chances are supremely higher.  Psilocybin is the variable group in this experiment.  Sure you've mastered driving, but you're not out of the water unless you've mastered Psilocybin.  I don't think such a thing is possible so you should respect members' opinions when they're looking out for your/others' safety.


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: Newbie]
    #5866845 - 07/16/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Look I respects the concern over peoples safty, I am to concerned with other peoples safty, and apply actions accordingly

by the way aren't u the one that should be respecting this also,

Don't be getting on peoples bandwagons without realizing ur dam self, alright,

NO MORE SHROOMS AND DRIVING FOR U BUDDY, you got that,


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5866858 - 07/16/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I never said that I have ever or currently drive on mushrooms. I was referring to the emotion while driving, not actually tripping and driving. Driving was just an example of times that it happens and I feel especially weird. My apologies for not making that part clear enough.


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5868491 - 07/17/06 07:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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but look everytime some casualty may take place, are u going to rule it out for everyone




Rule what out for everyone?  :what:

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, of course you can come up with examples to suggest alot of other acts as well,




"Suggest a lot of other acts"? What are you talking about?

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every time a teenager got killed in his sports car, or some bicyclist got ran over, or many other activities, such as snow sports and avalanches, mountain climbing and heights, say theirs been a few who tripped hard say off a horse, and he couldn't walk, or say someone had helicopter wreck, and those perished, do we stop no, you can't judge actions based on the casualties of other situations, and in each situation one could of exercised great responsibilty in obeying the laws of ones hobby, but risk is inevitable, calculated risk is in the eye of the preceiver, right or wrong judgement is not so definitive IMO when it comes to stuff like this




Risk is always involved in everything we engage in, the nature of this complex mesh network of continous interaction and change is such that there will always be variables that one simply cannot account for, due to the sheer complexity of this system.

And yet, at the same time, basic functions require basic capabilities. I cannot know if I will survive my cruise to work tonight, and I cannot be responsible for acts I have no control over. And yet, if I were to knowingly injest a substance that I know will alter my perceptions, and I attempt to cruise to work in my vehicle, and kill someone else in the process, I was clearly acting in an irresponsible manner. I would be just as irresponsible if I chose to do electrical work with live wiring while standing in a puddle of water.

As we choose the manners in which we are to engage in reality, we are responsible for our actions, and the consequences of those actions. If I get behind the wheel drunk and smash into a light pole, I was acting in an irresponsible fashion. If I am driving my vehicle and someone else is on mushrooms, and they see my oncoming headlights and exclaim "I'm dead! I hear a voice telling me to move into the light!", and they swerve into my lane and create a head-on collision, sending shards of shattered glass into my eyes and skull, with enough whiplash to snap the vertebrae in my neck and sever my spinal cord, causing massive amounts of blood and some spinal fluid to leak out, which traumatizes the little girl who witnesses the entire situation in graphic detail while walking her puppy that she just got as a present (its Christmas day, by the way), and glass shrapnel become embedded in the dog's skull, who was acting irresponsible, eh? :nonono:

By the way, the consensus is coming in, and driving one's vehicle while under the influence of psychadelics in all but the most exceptional circumstances, such as life or death, is considered to be irresponsible... some individuals remarking that the question should not even need to be asked. :smirk:

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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5869375 - 07/17/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup: Great example.  Heartbreaking, but could very well happen.


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: Newbie]
    #5869652 - 07/17/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

why do you have to give a graphical detailed description of something to illustrate your point, just make your point, this is telling me that you have to paint a horror picture to make a moral certainty out of something that isn't certain, I could apply the same horrific event toward any activity I engage, we all got to evaluate risks, sometimes we're willing to take higher risks to achieve a higher effect, just look at the stock market for example, does anybody become rich without taking a higher level of risk, not the majority, most safe and secure stocks only play out in the long run, giving you a slower effect, the money is in the volatility or the rate of change,

even if I do lose my shirt and all my belongings was I irresponsible, only if I perceived it that way, irresponsibility is a concept that is only defined by my own aspiring values, if I'm willing to deal with the consequences of my actions then its not irresponsible at all, regardless of what anybody else thinks, sometimes life can be ruthless, it has some arbitrary random nature that keeps us on guard, because any freak thing can happen, these occurance occur to maintain the integrity of life, but does this determine right and wrong,

I mean common on man, I'm not really seeing the consistency of your positional arguments, you seem go in circles to satisfy ones own values,what is a position I guess, we can all be flakes right, we all use our own dogma to perceive what we want to perceive to justify it to others, but one must evolve beyond this,

if you believe in a definitive right and wrong, than stick up for it, I don't want to here some kid saying hey I believe right and wrong, and you come along, I have no proof, to suggest such a thing exists, but yet your so stubborn to say that shrooms and driving are a definitive wrong, not to accept your words of caution, because one should always observe the meaning behind thoses who are trying to help, believe me I'll take note of this,

but still one must be mindful of those who are exhibiting ignorance to draw their own conclusions, me I'll still drive at times on shrooms, because I see maybe at 3 am in the morning, where there is no cars, and I'm fully in control of my mushroom trip, say on the partial come down, In my mind I know that to me this in the higher realm of probability that nothing occur of these actions, which to me is being responsible


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Re: When I begin my "What's life" thinking.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5872445 - 07/18/06 05:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

we all got to evaluate risks, sometimes we're willing to take higher risks to achieve a higher effect, just look at the stock market for example, does anybody become rich without taking a higher level of risk,

I'm sorry, i don't fully understand, i see that you are evaluating and increasing the risks you take, and endangering the lives of others, but how exactly do you intend to benefint from such inconsiderate actions? What exactly is this "higher effect" you speak of? What do you intend to gain from this?! How does risking the lives of innocent people help you to "become rich", metaphorically speaking? This analogy is horse shit, try again.

we all use our own dogma to perceive what we want to perceive to justify it to others

Not all of us. Irresponsible people may do this perhaps...

but one must evolve beyond this

Ever consider taking your own advice?

one must be mindful of those who are exhibiting ignorance to draw their own conclusions

You said it!

and I'm fully in control of my mushroom trip

:rofl:

And please learn how to puctuate, the full stop key is right there, next to the comma.

NewbieShroomie i beleive i can relate to what you seem to experience from time to time, as i've mentioned in a previous thread. I dont think i've ever experienced full on level five, but these lapses into the "melting" state of mind, like echos from previous existantial explorations can be quite alarming when they dominate your thoughts at inconvenient moments. I try to keep my "what's life" thinking to a minmum through the active working day and make sure i am in a comfortable environment before i delve too deep these days, so that i can fully examine and appreciate my insights or at the very least make sure i'm not putting myself or others in danger by slipping into the other place at the wrong time.

I'd love to waffle on a bit more about this but must get back to work for a while! :grin:


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