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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864895 - 07/16/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, ultimately, you agree that they were entirely irresponsible in allowing the situation to be presented to their infant in the first place, then, correct?
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864905 - 07/16/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK I've read through this entire thread, and I guess I have a few things to add to it.
1) You can find LSD in a urine sample, provided you pretty much just took it. I've studied this kind of thing during Gross Anatomy (I'm a medical student) and we did a section on detection of drugs in the system post-mortem. So, I guess that is a reply to an earlier reply made, in which one of you questioned if they would be doing a blood test to check for LSD in a manslaughter case.
2) My fiance is a law student and I discussed this with him. He believes that if this case were to be prosecuted, the charge against the parents would be Criminal Neglect. However, that has nothing to do with anything unless the state actually decides to prosecute the parents, which they may not.
3) I know this post is causing a lot of fucked up emotions in everyone and you guys are all entitled to your own opinion, but Microcosmatrix, I think you might need to calm down a little bit. Your posts are really making me uncomfortable (and a few other people on the message board have voiced this to me as well, although they don't want to get involved) and I think that your views are a little skewed. However, like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions...but some should just be kept to yourself.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5864910 - 07/16/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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My two boys loved hanging out in their Snugli packs when they were tiny, and in a baby backpack when they got a bit taller.
If I needed to work around the house & could not directly supervise them, I'd Snugli them & keep them safe. If I was out with them & could not arrange the environment to my standards of safety, they would be in their Snugli.
This is not rocket science, folks, just pro-active parenting. You assume that you need to watch and protect your infant ALL THE TIME, and that no situation is 100% safe. (Whether you are in an altered state or not.)
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5864916 - 07/16/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If by "the situation", you mean "life on Earth", then yes. They were completely irresponsible for bringing the baby here to planet Earth.
Other than that, I can't say for sure, only god knows.
You heard it here first.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Lily_Morgan] 1
#5864919 - 07/16/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can find LSD in a urine sample, provided you pretty much just took it. I've studied this kind of thing during Gross Anatomy (I'm a medical student) and we did a section on detection of drugs in the system post-mortem. So, I guess that is a reply to an earlier reply made, in which one of you questioned if they would be doing a blood test to check for LSD in a manslaughter case.
I call bullshit on that.
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However, that has nothing to do with anything unless the state actually decides to prosecute the parents, which they may not.
Can the state up the charge if if can infact be proven they were tripping? There has been no confirmation from the OP that the parents admitted they were tripping. Unless I missed it in the 150+ replies.
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However, like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions...but some should just be kept to yourself.
Who are you to say that to ANYBODY? Do everyone on this planet a favor and never ever say that again.
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Easy now, I'd like to NOT close this thread... let's all be respectful of each other and take a step back from the situation.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Lily_Morgan]
#5864934 - 07/16/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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My one really clearly and perhaps overly stated point though, is that I don't know/can't say for sure, and neither can any of you unless you were there. That's peace.
So, peace then. I've spoken the truth to the best of my abilities so far today, and hopefully some of you may appreciate it.
My prayers are with the family.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: CherryBom]
#5864935 - 07/16/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's part of my personality to defend the right of everybody to say anything they want, whenever they want. Not because it's in the constitution, but because we all have the mental capacity to use and decipher symbolic mouth noises.
Words are not offensive, interpretations of them are.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Lily_Morgan]
#5864949 - 07/16/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A few points
1) This is NOT the dog's fault...give me a fucking break, although that is a convenient cop-out to relieve yourself of guilt (as Kreg tried to do immediately after the event). The parents are complete idiots, there is no sense in defending them.
2) Certain breeds of dogs are not evil, nor do red eyes indicate "rage" in a dog. There are no bad dogs, just bad dog owners.
3) LSD DID have a role in this death. However, the blame is on the user, not the drug.
4) Who is to say the child wasn't fucked from the first drop, before the dog even came into the picture? I wonder who some would be looking to blame if the baby had died from impact to the ground.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864963 - 07/16/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: My only really point though, is that I don't know/can't say for sure, and neither can any of you unless you were there. That's peace.
As long as we can trust that the basic elements of what occured have been accurately relayed to us, then it is simple to reach the conclusion that the well-being of the child had not been responsibility looked after, otherwise it would have not died. That is an entirely reasonable conclusion. It wasn't an accident. It was clearly unintentional (although, then again, we can's say for sure, now can we, since we were not there? ); however, the dog was chained. Perhaps if the dog had jumped through the window of a home in which the infant was securely sleeping snug in his crib and attacked, well, fuck, that's an accident, that would pretty much be beyond the responsibility of the parents.
However, the dog was chained, the parents were within the immediate proximity of the considerably sized dog, they were in an altered state of mind..... irresponsible. I do not think a sane individual could argue agansit this.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Organic]
#5864967 - 07/16/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would blame the ground for irresponsibly being in the way.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Organic]
#5864970 - 07/16/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The parents are complete idiots, there is no sense in defending them.
I'm glad your shirt is so white, what detergent are you using?
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864977 - 07/16/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hydrogen Peroxide Tide.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Organic]
#5864978 - 07/16/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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why do their eyes go red then? lsd maybe? seriously why do their eyes go red?
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: quiver]
#5864987 - 07/16/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quick answers.com revealed "The red color comes from light that reflects off of the retinas in our eyes. In many animals, including dogs, cats and deer, the retina has a special reflective layer called the tapetum lucidum that acts almost like a mirror at the backs of their eyes."
Interesting, I'll read more
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fireworks_god said: Most people would not make careless assumptions about the risks to their infants... most people would not be altered by acid, dancing around a backyard at a party with their infant in the first place. Completely irresponsible. 
It's a romantic notion, the idea of the hippie mother and father, dancing in the moonlight, like a modern day Adam and Eve, celebrating the life of their beloved child in a celebration of color, sound, and life.
Until you drop your baby...because you're on acid.
Nail..on..head!
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Penguarky Tunguin said: I can actually see Micro's side here...the horror!! 
If the dog wasn't there, we wouldn't have heard this story.
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And they still would have been fuck up parents. 
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5865013 - 07/16/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the dog wasn't there, you would still have two parents who were temporairaly- by choice- incapacitated to perform thier parenting responsibilites.
2 parents on acid = bad parenting choices.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5865015 - 07/16/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: My only really point though, is that I don't know/can't say for sure, and neither can any of you unless you were there. That's peace.
As long as we can trust that the basic elements of what occured have been accurately relayed to us, then it is simple to reach the conclusion that the well-being of the child had not been responsibility looked after, otherwise it would have not died. That is an entirely reasonable conclusion. It wasn't an accident. It was clearly unintentional (although, then again, we can's say for sure, now can we, since we were not there? ); however, the dog was chained. Perhaps if the dog had jumped through the window of a home in which the infant was securely sleeping snug in his crib and attacked, well, fuck, that's an accident, that would pretty much be beyond the responsibility of the parents.
However, the dog was chained, the parents were within the immediate proximity of the considerably sized dog, they were in an altered state of mind..... irresponsible. I do not think a sane individual could argue agansit this.
 Peace.
O.K. irresponsible. But in the degree nescessary to charge them with a crime, trash their characters on a messageboard they cannot even see during a time in that family's lives which is now completely shattered and at which time as they are experiencing a pain and suffering which you cannot possibly even begin to comprehend for them? While you all chirp along like bloodstain scholars or something... What is this world coming to? Shame on you all who have not offered this ENTIRE family your best fucking vibe.
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