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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: MXNR]
#5864557 - 07/16/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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My claim is that it would have happened with or without the LSD.
There is NO WAY that you can tell me that had they NOT been on LSD the girl would not have accidentally tripped on the same stone or whatever and dropped the baby straight into the arms of death.
If they were not on LSD, the baby would likely still be tragically dead, but they would still be "good parents". Do you catch my drift here?
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864567 - 07/16/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: My claim is that it would have happened with or without the LSD.
There is NO WAY that you can tell me that had they NOT been on LSD the girl would not have accidentally tripped on the same stone or whatever and dropped the baby straight into the arms of death.
If they were not on LSD, the baby would likely still be tragically dead, but they would still be "good parents". Do you catch my drift here?
Yes, I understand what you're saying, but you have to understand that LSD was THE contributing factor to the way they were "dancing to and fro" and getting the dog all riled up. I seriously doubt ANYONE in their right mind would antagonize a chained up dog with their infant. I don't think LSD is to blame, but I would bet a large sum of money that if acid had not come into the picture in such an irresponsible way that Guy would still be breathing.
There's no way around it: tripping with your infant in an unsafe environment is BAD PARENTING.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: MXNR]
#5864586 - 07/16/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So hard to argue against that. I'm sure their baby has already forgiven them though.
There's far too many "ifs" here, and there is no such thing as a "safe environment" either really. (unless you specifically design and create one, and then you can simply grin and cross your fucking fingers that everything will go according to the plan.)
And presuming to judge those poor people's character (souls) against this incident which you, for the most part just people, know very little to nothing about, has apparently, sadly enough, left many of you longing for hope for your own.
Edited by Microcosmatrix (07/16/06 08:12 AM)
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Mitchnast]
#5864640 - 07/16/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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They walked up to the face of god and pissed in it.
Hmmm...Only god can say for sure... Has he asked for you to deliver him a towel?
Hey, like I say brother, I'd recommend treading extremely lightly here.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864686 - 07/16/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: So hard to argue against that. I'm sure their baby has already forgiven them though.
That doesn't exactly make a lot of sense.
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There's far too many "ifs" here, and there is no such thing as a "safe environment" either really.
Perhaps not, but there is such a thing as assuming responsibility for oneself, and, more importantly, those who rely on you in such a manner. There is absolutely no aspect of this story, a couple taking their baby to a party, taking acid, and dancing around in the backyard with their baby in the air, within proximity of a chained up Rottweiler, that suggests that they were not bad parents. 
I'm sorry, but I have never heard a story like this, presumably because most people do not wave their infant around a dog like a fucking Beggin Wrap while on drugs, eh? Extremely bad judgement on their part. It may have not been intentional, but it certainly cannot be described as an "accident".
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5864699 - 07/16/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think here something like that would carry a 'wilful neglect causing death' charge maybe manslaughter they probably plead that they didnt know they were endangering the baby because they were high too the dog owner could be charged if he didnt have a 'beware of the dog' sign somewhere too
whatever happened my heart goes out to them no matter how stupid they were
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5864711 - 07/16/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: So hard to argue against that. I'm sure their baby has already forgiven them though.
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That doesn't exactly make a lot of sense.
It makes perfect sense. Think about it 2 or 3 trillion times if that's what it takes.
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Perhaps not, but there is such a thing as assuming responsibility for oneself, and, more importantly, those who rely on you in such a manner.
Yes, there is indeed such a thing. Why don't you try it? The "assuming responsibility for oneself" part I mean.
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There is absolutely no aspect of this story, a couple taking their baby to a party, taking acid, and dancing around in the backyard with their baby in the air, within proximity of a chained up Rottweiler, that suggests that they were not bad parents.
But, it's not a matter that you can decide on. You were not inside their minds at the time were you? You were'nt there, they were. The parents will therefore ultimately decide for themselves if they truly did anything wrong.
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I'm sorry, but I have never heard a story like this, presumably because most people do not wave their infant around a dog like a fucking Beggin Wrap while on drugs, eh? Extremely bad judgement on their part. It may have not been intentional, but it certainly cannot be described as an "accident".
See above.
Peace back to you as well.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864731 - 07/16/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: It makes perfect sense. Think about it 2 or 3 trillion times if that's what it takes.
I try not to get stuck in irrational thought loops, sorry. 
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Yes, there is indeed such a thing.
There clearly was not in this situation, otherwise the baby would still be alive. 
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But, it's not a matter that you can decide on. You were not inside their minds at the time were you? You were'nt there, they were. The parents will therefore ultimately decide for themselves if they did anything wrong.
Are you proposing that no one else can review the situation and its objective aspects that have been shared with us and discern whether or not the parents did not uphold the responsibility they were charged with by having a child?
Regardless of what they decide, I am free to make the decision to interpret their behavior as fatally irresponsible, as I am sure nearly everyone else here has made that decision as well. We were not there, but that does not mean we are not allowed to think rationally about the situation. 
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864732 - 07/16/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bad parents maybe not. Stupid and irresponsible, yes. I'm sure whatever the judgement handed down in court will not be greater then the fact that they know that they basically killed their own child by being stupid. Hopefully they will not make excuses.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864734 - 07/16/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: Yes, there is indeed such a thing. Why don't you try it? The "assuming responsibility for oneself" part I mean.
Excuse me? In what manner have I not assumed responsibility for myself? 
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864737 - 07/16/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you fucking serious? It doesn't matter if they would have done the same thing sober. They were not sober, so they should have left their child with a babysitter or (gasp!) STAYED SOBER. They are irresponsible and awful parents and to say otherwise shows a lot about the person saying so.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864739 - 07/16/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, their baby can not forgive them because he is dead.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5864745 - 07/16/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: Yes, there is indeed such a thing. Why don't you try it? The "assuming responsibility for oneself" part I mean.
Excuse me? In what manner have I not assumed responsibility for myself? 
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By actively assuming it for someone else, the parents...
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
#5864756 - 07/16/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A chick trips and falls and oops OMG dropped the baby, but it just so happens death has its arms held out at that particular time...
Judging the parents "bad" anything based just on that shit there puts you on the brink of hell if you ask me. And you immediately lose any assumptions of credibility for you that I may have had prior.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Redstorm]
#5864760 - 07/16/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Also, their baby can not forgive them because he is dead.
He is alive and playing with the angels right now young man.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864763 - 07/16/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: A chick trips and falls and oops OMG dropped the baby, but it just so happens death has its arms held out at that particular time...
Judging the parents "bad" anything based just on that shit there puts you on the brink of hell if you ask me. And you immediately lose any assumptions of credibility for you that I may have had prior.
Don't be a damn fool. WHen you're flying high on LSD, having a raucous fun dance party, your attention span is going to be a little splintered, fractured, fractalized. A parent in a completely sober state of mind is more likely to place their attention almost fully on the fact that they are caring for a child.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864765 - 07/16/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you don't think that a strong psychedelic drug had anything to do with dropping the baby?
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Redstorm]
#5864773 - 07/16/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can actually see Micro's side here...the horror!! 
If the dog wasn't there, we wouldn't have heard this story.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5864781 - 07/16/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: By actively assuming it for someone else, the parents...
So I'm suspossed to say to myself "All right, they were responsible, it was just an accident"; otherwise, I am, myself, irresponsible.
Wow. I'm not even going to go any further than that, as this is not the time nor the place for full fledged discussion in such a manner.
I would add, however, that the fact that they were on drugs certainly does fit into the equation as well. Ask anyone here if it is responsible or recommended to drive vehicles around while tripping, or anything similar to that. Why is that? Why would we feel it is irresponsible to be full of acid, at a party, with one's infant, waving it around in a backyard, next to a Rottweiler on a chain? I'm sorry, but I have not given up any responsibility to myself by analyzing the situation and coming to the conclusion that responsibility to their child's life was thrown out the window by them.
And if such a rationale is going to consider myself or anyone else to not have credibility as a result of reaching that conclusion, then oh well.
Children are not trip toys, I'm afraid to say, and reality has thrust this terrible example of this principle into our faces. The best thing to do is realize it.
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Re: My friend's Dog Just killed an infant! [Re: fireworks_god]
#5864783 - 07/16/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And if such a rationale is going to consider myself or anyone else to not have credibility as a result of reaching that conclusion, then oh well.
Children are not trip toys, I'm afraid to say, and reality has thrust this terrible example of this principle into our faces. The best thing to do is realize it.
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