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Offlinesolemntruth
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Do we roll the dice with salvation?
    #5860602 - 07/15/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Do we roll the dice with salvation and wager that salvation is a myth or do we play it safe to cast our lots on Christ? If we were to roll and lose, then the wager would be extremely costly. Here, take the dice! It's your roll.

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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: solemntruth]
    #5860637 - 07/15/06 02:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

To me its not about rollin the dice,

I think as human kind, we need to gain a better prospective on things, salvation is a personal choice, and always will be,

Only you can make the choice for yourself to lead a better life, what that better life entails, who knows

casting my lot on things that I've heard that influence people, reliquishes power to those indivuals,

I don't hedge my bets on speculations, and I'd think Christ would be the same way

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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: solemntruth]
    #5860651 - 07/15/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm lost in love, I don't need wagers


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Basilides]
    #5861324 - 07/15/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, if we were shroomers in Iraq or something we'd be asking the same question about Allah, wouldn't we?

i don't know how you know :x

me personally I keep staying open to Christ, asking for him to make a presence, but until something clicks I'm not willing to make a commitment to be an adherent to Christianity in and of itself.

i have been led away from the Bible more than towards it... oh so much more.


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: solemntruth]
    #5861430 - 07/15/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

But whose Christianity is the safest bet? There are several Christian churches who each claim a monopoly on salvation. This means that I have to roll the dice anyway and hope the one I pick is the true church. But personally, I choose Christ out of love, not fear.


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5862179 - 07/15/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The whole idea really bothers me. You shouldn't have to gamble.
It's all about being a compassionate, loving being.
1. Right View
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
If you live righteously, believe in whatever you want to believe in. Honestly, I think a god could want nothing else. If I walked a Nobel path all my life, and was shot down because I didn't believe in Christ (or rather twisted/fictitious/man-altered 'versions' of Christ) I wouldn't want to associate with a god that 'lost' anyway. Following a religion so literally is quite silly. God is in YOU, find YOUR path.


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Iriebuddha]
    #5862249 - 07/15/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I always had trouble with the idea that Jesus died for our sins, but only on the condition that we worship him. That doesn't sound like an act of compassion at all. It sounds like a huge ego trip. If, however, Jesus taught us a way to enlightenment and liberation, and died because of his teachings, that does indeed sound very brave and compassionate.


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5864421 - 07/16/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If I roll the dice with say the Nazarenes (a protestant denomination) then I am lost to the Babtists, and the Methodists, and the Penecosts, and the Catholics.....ect.

With over 300 christian denominations to choose from I need lots of dice.
Read very carefully what IreBuddha posted, that is also the central message of Christ...."Be ye therefore PERFECT, just as your Father in Heaven is perfect"

And NOT to worry, for if God cares for the birds and the flowers, He will care for you because you are more valuable to God that birds and flowers.......that is the "Christ-like" idea of faith, lost over time to the "Who do you cast your lot with?" idea of faith.

All spiritually-minded people must truly learn to accept truth for what it is, and stop dealing in "absolutes", for it is that attitude that brings ALL human suffering. Which (I believe) was never the will of Jesus Christ. Thanx for listening, I will cast my lot on the truth and keep my mind and heart open to all the love that this life has to offer, if that cost me my eternal soul then I never stood a chance any-way.

Phungi


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: phungi]
    #5865139 - 07/16/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well said, Phungi.


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Iriebuddha]
    #5866995 - 07/16/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The whole idea really bothers me. You shouldn't have to gamble and lose ur shirt
It's all about being a ruthless, conniving being.
1. Left View
2. Secret Intention
3. Wrong Speech
4. Rebellious Action
5. Drug induced Livelihood
6. Lazy Effort
7. Right Mindlessness
8. Paranoia Concentration
If you live ruthlessly, believe in whatever you want to believe in. Honestly, I think you could defeat the world capture the princess and enjoy all the spoils,

Edited by capliberty (07/16/06 07:51 PM)

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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: solemntruth]
    #5867263 - 07/16/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Gambling is sinful. :nono:

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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: solemntruth]
    #5868185 - 07/17/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think everyone here has proven your point. Everyone comes with their own understandings and theories, and are gamlers at that.


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5869043 - 07/17/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"The whole idea really bothers me. You shouldn't have to gamble and lose ur shirt
It's all about being a ruthless, conniving being.
1. Left View
2. Secret Intention
3. Wrong Speech
4. Rebellious Action
5. Drug induced Livelihood
6. Lazy Effort
7. Right Mindlessness
8. Paranoia Concentration
If you live ruthlessly, believe in whatever you want to believe in. Honestly, I think you could defeat the world capture the princess and enjoy all the spoils,"

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You could walk this path too, but where will this get you? Afterlife or not? Suffering of self, suffering of everything you come in contact with. Enjoy :smile:


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Iriebuddha]
    #5869586 - 07/17/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Consider the dice tossed.

C'mon, big money, big money, big money!  Make me live forever in a blissful sky-kingdom, luck be a lady!!



  :frown: Crap, snake-eyes.  :frown:

            Uh, hey guys...
:devilguy:  :devil:  :undecided:  :satan:  :devilguy:  :devil:

Ah well, sinners always made better company, to my mind...


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5869666 - 07/17/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

After researching M theory and quantum physics I conclude that the Bible is a storybook. Not trying to preach, but that's my roll.

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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Newbie]
    #5869677 - 07/17/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What on earth do quantum physics have to do with the Bible?


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: Panoramix]
    #5869681 - 07/17/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Panoramix said:
Ah well, sinners always made better company, to my mind...




then you must be a masohist. I don't like being beaten, spit on, or killed even


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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5869867 - 07/17/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well we are all sinners deserving nothing more than eradication.

except, we don't deserve that at all, because Jesus lived for us.

it's sort of a sharp duality , but pragmatic if you think about humanity as a unit.

i've wondered this a while.... if the Jesus thing is real.... did God come down and commit suicide, departing all his holiness into ether/spirit, which we are inheriting and using to become Gods on our own, until all of humanity ascends and God becomes unified as a sentient "unit" again?

i find it intruiging.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5869944 - 07/17/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Panoramix said:
Ah well, sinners always made better company, to my mind...




then you must be a masohist. I don't like being beaten, spit on, or killed even




:lol:  Some of the nicest people I know are "sinners" by the Biblical definition.  It would be difficult to find someone who has never sinned in any way.  Not all sinners behave like guests on the "Jerry Springer Show." :smirk:

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Re: Do we roll the dice with salvation? [Re: leery11]
    #5869955 - 07/17/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well we are all sinners deserving nothing more than eradication.

except, we don't deserve that at all, because Jesus lived for us.

it's sort of a sharp duality , but pragmatic if you think about humanity as a unit.

i've wondered this a while.... if the Jesus thing is real.... did God come down and commit suicide, departing all his holiness into ether/spirit, which we are inheriting and using to become Gods on our own, until all of humanity ascends and God becomes unified as a sentient "unit" again?

i find it intruiging.


maybe if your assuming that Jesus was god, that the holy trinity means just one, the father the son and the holy spirit are all one encumpusing,

but I'm not quite sure if thats the literal correct interpretation, why would god need a father, assume himself as the son, isn't god defined by not having a father, he/she/it is the source, the beginning and the end, and needs no father, can I really begin to define what god is?

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