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Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.)
    #5859797 - 07/14/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I wanted to make a thread where everyone could add any thought or theory they have ever had concerning the nature of reality. It can be personal thought or simply expanding on any well known belief system. Short or long explanations are acceptable as I wouldn't want to limit anyone's expression. Multiple posts/theories are encouraged as well.

So, what is this?


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5859815 - 07/14/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This entire life experience is simply a result of taking a hallucinogenic drug. It is something we enter into as an escape, or possibly use as a learning tool. Some of us do not cope well with the experience brought on by this drug. Some of us choose to leave early (suicide) while others use substances to escape the hallucination for a short period of time. We use drugs to escape the drug known as life. Our true nature is perhaps an alien being, or even a different Earthly existence. Maybe a future Earth, and this is a method of returning to a simpler time.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5859827 - 07/14/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

its a snowflake waiting to melt


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Schwammel]
    #5860098 - 07/14/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What we're living is called middle earth crisis, its like a midlife crisis, because all the prehistoric and primative cool shit has warn off and the cool looking futuristic shit isn't quite here, so basically we're rehashing the 80's and 90's again,

but in a way this rehash isn't necessarily an incline due to the exhaustion of resources and a spike in population growth

actually our life expectancy has taken a dip from the last generation,

I expect the middle earth crisis to take on another couple hundred years until the next melt down occurs, which I speculate could be a war, due to terrisom and the population coninuing at its current rate.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5860214 - 07/14/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Check out my journal man :smile:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5860505 - 07/15/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

PowerTrip said:


So, what is this?




Thanks to the theme of my most cathartic trip ever I can answer this question with ease.....

Existence is only viewed as such when compared to non-existence. Things either are, or aren't.... is, or isn't.

Humans all too often get caught up in shades of judgement regarding the actuality, or non-actuality (word?) of an event.


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    #5860816 - 07/15/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

we are travellers exploring paths and
bits of those paths stick to us (both physically and mentally) -

both the travellers and the paths are of one material
that supports interpenetration like a moebius.

the sticky bits and smears shape attitude
that directs a self aware movie of the universe.

then again that might be like describing light beer
by starting with a story about yeast and fields of wheat.


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    #5860912 - 07/15/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are the product of circumstance, we might as well be amoebas floating in primordial soup. We are no more spiritual than the dirt in the ground. We are only that which we have attributed to ourselves. Our only defining trait is our superior intelligence, without that we are nothing but another creature of habit.

Everything is as we perceive it and there are no secrets. There is no destiny, only death.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5861215 - 07/15/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Life is life.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5861479 - 07/15/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I am actually a god, and I have put myself into this mortal existence because it is the only solution to the pain of immortality. If you really do have absolutely everything then nothing is special anymore. How can you enjoy life when you know that it is going to carry on for an eternity?

To quote Troy: "I'll tell you a secret. Something they don't teach you in your temple. The Gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again."


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Gomp]
    #5861513 - 07/15/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

first i believe in God but not in heaven or hell because i don't understand why Satan would make suffer the people who make bad things in their life if he doesn't like god.

The Reality ( from my point of view ) is that God gave you the opportunity to make your life either hell or heaven, he gave us a brain and a conciousness to be able to make our own choices but we have to face the concequences here in life.

Why here in life? Because at your birth your TIME start and when you die it ends. When i was tripping one day all my attention went to this three words DO YOUR TIME, the only way you can live forever is in the memories of the people who loved you.

What happens when we die? The beautiful thing in after life is that there's no way we can know what happens next and He make it that way.
Patience is one of the more important thing in life, its not fun when you know what gift you will recieve at christmas.

That's how i feel about it  :smile:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5861564 - 07/15/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I've been struggleing with the concept of reality, I really don't understand what "I" really am, it really bothers me. As I grow up what and my mind changes, am I still me? or am I something else, and what makes one persons reality any more or less important then another. What is this thing we call life? A test? a Game?

I donno about the rest of you, but I rather be a simple minded being like a fly. Your born, you eat, you shit, you reproduce, you die, there should really be no time to think, its almost a punishment to be able to think about such things.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: LuNaTiX]
    #5861629 - 07/15/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LuNaTiX said:
I've been struggleing with the concept of reality, I really don't understand what "I" really am, it really bothers me. As I grow up what and my mind changes, am I still me? or am I something else, and what makes one persons reality any more or less important then another. What is this thing we call life? A test? a Game?

I donno about the rest of you, but I rather be a simple minded being like a fly. Your born, you eat, you shit, you reproduce, you die, there should really be no time to think, its almost a punishment to be able to think about such things.




What you are is what you work for, you know life can't be so easy. You have to work hard to have succes in what you want to do and with that you know yourself better.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: LuNaTiX]
    #5861649 - 07/15/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

am I still me?

Nah, not really. You're constantly changing and evolving, so you can never really be the same from one moment to another. You're impermanent and without self. In other words, 'you' never really existed.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: dblaney]
    #5862535 - 07/15/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the replies both of you; every little bit helps


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5863692 - 07/16/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Reality is the aspect of that single thing that can perceive, define and attach attributes to itself. It shines and shades and coalesces and dissipates. It says 'I'm real!' boldly and proudly and does it's little reality-dance. Meanwhile, subtler things skirt about the edges of existence not being non-being or any conceivable phenomenon, not even stooping to know that they have the sweetest deal imaginable. In this way, reality is only half of the equation, but it's the only half that will ever be known or appreciated.

Maybe reality is a mutual delusion shared by those who found the light too bright, the void too cold and the ambiguity too... umm... yeah. Maybe it's particles vibrating and rotating at different speeds, being drawn towards and repulsed by one another. Maybe it's both at once. But more than likely it's something too marvelous to be confined by such paltry words as mine...


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5864070 - 07/16/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Reality = A real·ty, of I's ..

The real I ties..
The fake I lies.. (rip apart)


There is one reality, and there are many..
In a dream, one could see reality, as just another dream..
In reality/a reality/any reality, one could see a dream, as just another reality...

"EVEN alone, you may tie.."
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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Gomp]
    #5865555 - 07/16/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Always enjoy your posts Gomp :smirk:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: LuNaTiX]
    #5866039 - 07/16/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

our galaxy is a proton on the fingernail of a person. And I have milions of galaxies on my fingertip. When my finger hits something I destroy galaxies, but their time is relative so one second of ours is a trilion seconds on their universe.

its always fun to think of things like this


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5866131 - 07/16/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: I often wondered what atoms were really made up of, it would be cool if things were like you say they are.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5866869 - 07/16/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Reality is absolute, you either see and perceive, or you don't. Awareness, however, has a multitude of levels, going from the utmost negative levels to the highest levels of perception.

A smack addict will only perceive one object in reality, and everything else will lie secondary, or as a means of getting his fix. We could call that level -7 (negative seven) of awareness. Someone heavily depressed could be -6, then someone really pessimistic could be -3, someone waking up with a hangover could be -2, and so on. 0 (zero) would be a "normal" perception of reality. On the opposite side of the equilibrium, an optimistic individual could be +1 (positive one), an altruist could be +3, a true ascetic could be +4, and someone who sees the world for it's true representation, humans as luminous beings, never indulges in internal dialogue and leads an impeccable life could be a +6. Nirvana, your internal Kingdom of Heaven within is +7.

You cannot fake reality, but with an impeccable lifestyle you certainly see more aspects of it. Think about when you wake up with a hangover, and how weak and irritable you feel. Now contrast that level of perception to say, your mood when you're tripping. Opposide ends of the spectrum, different levels of perception.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Fospher]
    #5866882 - 07/16/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Reality is the total subjective viewpoint from an individual. The individual may or may not share this subjective viewpoint with others in his or her immediate sphere of influence.


Edited by MystikMushroom (07/16/06 07:15 PM)


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Fospher]
    #5867754 - 07/16/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Say, I quite like that idea of reality, Fospher.  But it quantifies things that, in my rather insignificant opinion, oughtn't be quantified.  But hey, if you find merit in attaching a numerical value to altruism, then more power to you.  Drains some of the magic from it, to my mind.  But I like the whole 'reality is more clearly percieved by those more open to it's positive nature' idea.

Here's another; reality (as we are capable of percieving it) is the dried wax accumulated around the bottom of the candle of possible experience.  It fled from the intensity flame of pure being as far as it could before it's distance from the heat of that all-encompassing fire caused it to solidify, becoming rigid and fixed and limited.  These limits and borders and distinctions we experience in this life are a direct result of our distance from pure, unified being.  They don't exist when one is One, just as the laws of physics don't exist inside a singularity.  Or maybe this idea is just more  :crazy2: gibbering lunacy  :crazy2: from someone who is, in fact, talking out their ass.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5867995 - 07/17/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Reality is a novel secretly written by a conglomeration of large Martian businesses in a hidden effort to increase consumer desire for expensive intergalactic products. We're all the manifestation of the mind of a particular Martian reading this novel. Yes, thats right! We live in her dear mind. Our experiences are her thoughts. The occurrence of many paranormal events is a result of her attention deficit disorder and I am her prophet.  :grin:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5868011 - 07/17/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Reality is the movement of energy.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5868153 - 07/17/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I prefer your first one.  Heavier on the creativity  :biggrin:  :thumbup:  :biggrin:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5871598 - 07/17/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

PowerTrip said:
I wanted to make a thread where everyone could add any thought or theory they have ever had concerning the nature of reality. It can be personal thought or simply expanding on any well known belief system. Short or long explanations are acceptable as I wouldn't want to limit anyone's expression. Multiple posts/theories are encouraged as well.

So, what is this?





*I am convinced that we are convinced of nothing.

*If you are capable of lying to people, chances are you lie to yourself

*If we lived our lives backwards, (dying first and then being born) I believe that we would get smarter as we got younger.

*I believe that this forum, these words and this ciggarrete in my mouth are all here because I simply wish them to be. however I'm wishing without the choice to choose.

*I believe you can define nothing, because you cannot define a definition or where it came from.

*People don't always believe what they are told, but they BECOME what they are told.

*Oreos are awesome

*Time only exists a measurment and nothing more


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5871625 - 07/17/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

your cigarette sounds yummy and those oreos are hot.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5871636 - 07/17/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yes I could very well make it go away but I don't want to...I'm grabbing another oreo...and a ciggarette. lol, I might as well enjoy life now that I'm believing it exists.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5871644 - 07/17/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

from what i've seen and experianced..

first there is time, one moment to the next in a continous stream.

there there is space, a 3 demensional space, 1, up/down, 2, left/right, 3, back/forth.

than the five senses, sight, hear, feel, taste, smell.

than there are receptors to percieve it, brains, many many brains in many shapes and sizes and complexity/simplesity.

than there is breeding/multiplying.

and than there is death.

and than on the seventh day, God rested..


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: JCoke]
    #5871725 - 07/17/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

where is god now? he never came back to repair what has broken.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5871857 - 07/18/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"where is god now?"

He doesn't believe in you. Why should he fix a reality that exists only at your behest? In fact, if those oreos and cigarettes are dependent on you for their existance, doesn't that make YOU god?


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Panoramix]
    #5871932 - 07/18/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

indeed it doe's... not only that, but I am dependent on them for mine. That was is, it is logical that we would both be god...I am the god of the Camel... and the Camel feeds my soul. therefore being a part of me.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5871995 - 07/18/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That kitty was short-lived.  So much for that reply to it...

I think it went along the lines of;

But if the camels are god because they nourish you, then everything that nourishes them is also god.  And if everything nourishing everything that nourishes you is god, then we quickly end up, via entanglement (quantum and the more mundane kind) at a place where everything is god.  And if everything is god, we might as well drop the term god for the sake of those who prefer a more limited view of divinity.  So we end up at a place where... uh oh, everything is everything?  I've gone too far, it's redundantly self-evident!

Then again, maybe the best things are...  have a penguindog.  :penguindog:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Panoramix]
    #5872199 - 07/18/06 02:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The smoke itself is killing me, not only that...it IS me. In trasistive terms, I'm killing myself. My lungs are a part of me, I am not a part of my lungs...I am my lungs. So... if god is nothing but an illusion. Then lets imagine god created the universe which came from nowhere, then basicly:

the universe came from nowhere and was created by nothing.

Is god the universe, or just a part of it? Do illusion create illusions? This oreo has become a part of me too. I am not an oreo. The oreo is me. Therefore becoming god.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5872747 - 07/18/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Everything we see around us exists. If it didn't exist, human interaction would be meaningless and impossible. The names and labels we apply to those things are subjective, as is our understanding of them, but that doesn't affect the things themselves. A rock is a rock, however you want to call it, and it would still be a rock even if we didn't think so.

We may believe we are headed to a different afterlife from one another, but the undeniable fact is that we are all here together right now. Fighting with ANYBODY is only going to leave you devoid and bereft of emotional stability. A lack or deficiency in emotional stability impedes the progression of your ego through time. Thus, while competition may make us feel younger at heart for the moment, we are actually just putting off the natural maturation process. The task at hand is to understand one another, not prove each other wrong.

Life gets harder and harder every day. This is because it's just so worth it at the end. We CAN get drunk and high all the time and temporarily postpone our lives, but eventually we'll see how wasteful and ultimately futile it is to stop your older, wiser self from coming through.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: IamHungry]
    #5872836 - 07/18/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

afterlife is really not the issue of life, is it?
Mostly it is kind of a red herring if you think about it.
Was it not proposed by those who are using conceptual slight of hand
to shift the attention of the masses, and grab maybe just a tithe, or maybe a full tax?

the issue is here and now in this wacky life.
investigating and making things better.

not those heaven hell afterlife mafias. pick any one of them and believe your money to the mafia of choice.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5872982 - 07/18/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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where is god now? he never came back to repair what has broken.




that's where Jesus comes into the picture ( or should I say reality?). :grin:


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: JCoke]
    #5873296 - 07/18/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it is all just the dream of a butterfly.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5873889 - 07/18/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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*I am convinced that we are convinced of nothing.




Then you are uttering a contradiction.

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*I believe that this forum, these words and this ciggarrete in my mouth are all here because I simply wish them to be. however I'm wishing without the choice to choose.




So reality is commanded by your mere wish, and yet you can't control it? Your second sentence contradicts the first, yet again. You either command something, or you don't - you can't command under the rule of the subordinate. But if the first sentence were true, maybe next time you get a pack of smokes, instead of paying for them, you could instead manipulate reality?

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*I believe you can define nothing, because you cannot define a definition or where it came from.




While the metaphysical cannot be defined, the macroscopic physical reality is black and white. If a car is red, it cannot be black, and if it black is no longer red. It cannot be red and black at the exact same time.





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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Panoramix]
    #5873948 - 07/18/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Say, I quite like that idea of reality, Fospher. But it quantifies things that, in my rather insignificant opinion, oughtn't be quantified. But hey, if you find merit in attaching a numerical value to altruism, then more power to you. Drains some of the magic from it, to my mind. But I like the whole 'reality is more clearly percieved by those more open to it's positive nature' idea.




I see reality as quantifiable because reality is an absolute. If something is real, then it exists, and existence is an absolute - you either do or you don't. So with something that is in black and white, I deal in the same terms as they are dealt. Metaphysical reality, however, is something beyond definitions, and the ones you do set up only serve as barriers to your existence. With most people choose to be bound their own shackles of their metaphysical beliefs, and on the contrary, attempt to fake reality and escape something by a mere wish.

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Here's another; reality (as we are capable of percieving it) is the dried wax accumulated around the bottom of the candle of possible experience. It fled from the intensity flame of pure being as far as it could before it's distance from the heat of that all-encompassing fire caused it to solidify, becoming rigid and fixed and limited. These limits and borders and distinctions we experience in this life are a direct result of our distance from pure, unified being. They don't exist when one is One, just as the laws of physics don't exist inside a singularity.




Nice analogy. When you get past the Event Horizon of a black hole, time dialates the same as when you get drowned in the complete experience of reality.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Fospher]
    #5874008 - 07/18/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

--I am convinced that we are convinced of nothing--

not a complete contradiction, for he made a personal assertion about

the assertions of everyone about everything,

If he said I am convinced that I'm not convinced, this is an uttered contradiction

---If a car is red, it cannot be black, and if it black is no longer red. It cannot be red and black at the exact same time.----

unless you define red and black as being the same color,

it can't be the actual concept behind the definiton that is referenced to the word "black" along with the concept behind the definiton that is referenced to the word "red" at the sametime,

unless its white, because white is the combination of all colors


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Fospher]
    #5876199 - 07/19/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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*I am convinced that we are convinced of nothing.




Then you are uttering a contradiction.

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*I believe that this forum, these words and this ciggarrete in my mouth are all here because I simply wish them to be. however I'm wishing without the choice to choose.




So reality is commanded by your mere wish, and yet you can't control it? Your second sentence contradicts the first, yet again. You either command something, or you don't - you can't command under the rule of the subordinate. But if the first sentence were true, maybe next time you get a pack of smokes, instead of paying for them, you could instead manipulate reality?

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*I believe you can define nothing, because you cannot define a definition or where it came from.




While the metaphysical cannot be defined, the macroscopic physical reality is black and white. If a car is red, it cannot be black, and if it black is no longer red. It cannot be red and black at the exact same time.








I'm not "uttering". What is the essence of being "convinced"? The dictionary says: having a strong belief or conviction. I am very capable of having a strong belief or conviction about a strong belief or conviction.

"So reality is commanded by your mere wish, and yet you can't control it?"

what did I say I couldn't control?... control is a belief anyway. You can't even control your brain or make choices. Desires are programed desires. People see what they want to see. I never said anything about "reality". There is no absolute reality. Just because I say I "wish" something dosn't mean I speak it into being... I'm not jesus or budda.

"While the metaphysical cannot be defined, the macroscopic physical reality is black and white. If a car is red, it cannot be black, and if it black is no longer red. It cannot be red and black at the exact same time."

I dissagree completley, read my post "Properties of Identity"
Reality is a joke, you can't define it...sorry.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5876259 - 07/19/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not "uttering". What is the essence of being "convinced"? The dictionary says:  having a strong belief or conviction. I am very capable of having a strong belief or conviction about a strong belief or conviction.




If you are convinced we are sure of nothing, then that itself is an absolute, and if they don't exist, then neither does the logic of your sentence.  :wink:

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what did I say I couldn't control?... control is a belief anyway. You can't even control your brain or make choices.




If someone went out and murdered another, or molested a child, can we not hold them responsible for their actions? What about an individual that's worked hard for decades to succeed, should the fruit the work bears on the same level as someone living all their life in leisure? Reality is black and white - and it is based on the choices that you yourself discern. As much as you try to wish it to be so, you cannot fake reality, as reality cannot be faked.

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Just because I say I "wish" something dosn't mean I speak it into being... I'm not jesus or budda. 




...Yet another contradiction:
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*I believe that this forum, these words and this ciggarrete in my mouth are all here because I simply wish them to be.




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I dissagree completley...




Then feel free to retort to any of the statements that I've made.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: capliberty]
    #5876264 - 07/19/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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---If a car is red, it cannot be black, and if it black is no longer red. It cannot be red and black at the exact same time.----

unless you define red and black as being the same color,




Humour me - please try to define black and red as the same color while keeping in mind that black and red are two different colors.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: JCoke]
    #5876287 - 07/19/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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where is god now? he never came back to repair what has broken.




that's where Jesus comes into the picture ( or should I say reality?). :grin:




Indeed Jesus is a reality... but not to me, as I am not even reality.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5876313 - 07/19/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Epistemology should precede metaphysics. If we don’t know what we can know, how can we know about the nature of reality?


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Fospher]
    #5876321 - 07/19/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not "uttering". What is the essence of being "convinced"? The dictionary says:  having a strong belief or conviction. I am very capable of having a strong belief or conviction about a strong belief or conviction.




If you are convinced we are sure of nothing, then that itself is an absolute, and if they don't exist, then neither does the logic of your sentence.  :wink:

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what did I say I couldn't control?... control is a belief anyway. You can't even control your brain or make choices.




If someone went out and murdered another, or molested a child, can we not hold them responsible for their actions? What about an individual that's worked hard for decades to succeed, should the fruit the work bears on the same level as someone living all their life in leisure? Reality is black and white - and it is based on the choices that you yourself discern. As much as you try to wish it to be so, you cannot fake reality, as reality cannot be faked.

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Just because I say I "wish" something dosn't mean I speak it into being... I'm not jesus or budda. 




...Yet another contradiction:
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*I believe that this forum, these words and this ciggarrete in my mouth are all here because I simply wish them to be.




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I dissagree completley...




Then feel free to retort to any of the statements that I've made.




What is logic? It has no given value. Being convinced dosn't mean you are absolute, and there are dimentions to everything.

"If someone went out and murdered another, or molested a child, can we not hold them responsible for their actions? What about an individual that's worked hard for decades to succeed, should the fruit the work bears on the same level as someone living all their life in leisure? Reality is black and white - and it is based on the choices that you yourself discern. As much as you try to wish it to be so, you cannot fake reality, as reality cannot be faked."


You seem to look for simple answers... I have none for you. The world is more than black and white (sorry to dissapoint you). I can fake reality... I venture that I could make you think that I am angry when I'm really not, therefore altering your vision of the real world. what is it that you do for a living? Math? Science? Art? Those things that you know about your live mean nothing... what life knows about you is everything. You use this word "contradict" so freely. I find that people that use that word often are looking for black and white answers. I am polydimensional...therefore I accept that this could all be a dream...I am often refered to as "ridiculus" because I don't take things as they are, I admit that. What is the motive for murder? Where did that motive come from? If it came from a alternate source is it really "belonging" to that person. I would say you would in a court of law and all that b.s. have to treat him like everyone else and convict him. Not meaning that he chose to do it. He only thinks he chose.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5876325 - 07/19/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Epistemology should precede metaphysics. If we don’t know what we can know, how can we know about the nature of reality?




logicaly we can't... or can we? you make the choice for yourself my friend. We think you believe by choice, but we believe by instinct.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5876364 - 07/19/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

lol... nice, what are you refering to?


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5876479 - 07/19/06 03:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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where is god now? he never came back to repair what has broken.



this is the consumer approach to creation (do you get what you pay for or not?)

shall we return the headless classical sculpture to the ancient greeks and romans? or maybe I like them like that; reminds me how rough soccer fans can get.


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    #5876585 - 07/19/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Life is life, and eventually we die, or so they say. I haven't experienced it (in this lifetime?) yet.

I (we?) influence reality in some ways that I understand and some ways I don't.

Delusion is eaten for breakfast, and only few realize it.

Communication (as I know it) is like pushing an apple through a quarter sized hole. All thought it lost, and it's slow. (But that's where art comes from?)

Everything in moderation.

And... Everything = nothing.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: PowerTrip]
    #5877811 - 07/19/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I did read all the answers only half ways.

Reality for us is just like a 'stage'. Physical reality can grasp only a part of the whole.
What makes something 'real' for someone ?
The truth lies behind reality, in its mysterious spirituality.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5879376 - 07/19/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What is logic?




Logic is the principle that governs reality.

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It has no given value. Being convinced dosn't mean you are absolute, and there are dimentions to everything.




You either are convinced or you are not. One or the other. It's a boolean - you have two choices, there's no grey areas. If you are later confronted with a more convincing argument, you may change your position. But in either case, you agree or you don't. With your premises, you would also agree with me, wouldn't you, as disagreement would be an absolute? Yet another tangle in your web of contradictions.

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You seem to look for simple answers... I have none for you. The world is more than black and white (sorry to dissapoint you).




It's true, I am quite disappointed that you don't seem to have any answers. Simple or sophisticated ones for that matter.  :grin:

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I can fake reality... I venture that I could make you think that I am angry when I'm really not, therefore altering your vision of the real world.




If you were acting out being mad, then I would perceive you acting out being mad, and still maintain 100% absorbtion of reality. If you later on told me that you were just acting it out, I would change my opinion in retrospect.

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what is it that you do for a living? Math? Science? Art? Those things that you know about your live mean nothing...




I am a professional spelling czar, actually - and you my boy misspell every other word. And that is an absolute.  :wink:

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what life knows about you is everything.




What ... the fuck ...? :lol:

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You use this word "contradict" so freely. I find that people that use that word often are looking for black and white answers. I am polydimensional...therefore I accept that this could all be a dream...I am often refered to as "ridiculus" because I don't take things as they are, I admit that.




Dear "ridiculus" (might want to look that word up in the dictionary btw),

if you admit something, and not admit another, that makes for quite a black and white existence.

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What is the motive for murder? Where did that motive come from? If it came from a alternate source is it really "belonging" to that person.




We are all influenced, but it is our free will that gives us choice to govern our own actions. Decide do, or do not, have morals or live in delusion of elastic morality, which does not exist. Non-responsibility for your own actions, and the elusion of the facts of reality are futile will only lead you to your own demise.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: Fospher]
    #5879433 - 07/19/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

quit the whinning, this was getting pretty interesting.

I just thought of something crazy
We are all entities in the universe and we are put on Earth because we did something bad, like a prison. The Universe is infinite and we are part of the infinity.


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5879501 - 07/19/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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quit the whinning, this was getting pretty interesting.




Uhm, whining, you mean? About what?


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Re: Describe a version of reality. (Creativity encouraged.) [Re: blackdragon999]
    #5880025 - 07/20/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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lol... nice, what are you refering to?




Nothing in perticular. I thought that video would go well with this topic. "Wooooooooooow"  :grin:


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