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Offlinevs2005
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ER visit on MDMA + shrooms
    #5859461 - 07/14/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

An old experience (not mine) I wanted to post and get some feedback on. I do think this is very idiosyncratic but it does teach us about how even low use is essentially playing the lottery. I totally think the seizure was due to hyponatremia but it is not clear whether the MDMA itself was a contributor.

Person A is a nondrinker, casual user (3-4 times a year) of some psychoactive substances. In the middle of a period of weekly use for 5-6 weeks (first time in life). Each use is from 100-300mg MDMA spread over several hours, and 3-4 caps of very potent cubensis. Fairly conservative in use and risk taking. Here's an experience that stopped him in his tracks: At time T, ingested one big cap and 125mg pure MDMA (powder, could be MDA). Went to a hot rave for the next four hours and drank a lot of water. At time T + 2:00, ingested another 125mg MDMA. Then moved to a new location. At time T + 4:30, ingested another 50mg of MDMA. At time T + 5:00 suffered a 5-10 minute grand mal seizure and had to be taken to the ER. Diagnosis was that there was low sodium.

At time T - 4 days, person went through an intense (300 mg MDMA, + 4-5 caps) hippyflipping experience without any ill effects.

Person recovered fine and everything appears to be okay. No visible cognitive defects and person is in fact doing better than the weeks prior since there's no longer any use.

Any comments?


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Re: ER visit on MDMA + shrooms [Re: vs2005]
    #5859703 - 07/14/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It sounds like this person was using drugs too frequently. Not that I can actually say that's the cause because I can't really say without being there.


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Re: ER visit on MDMA + shrooms [Re: DrGeek]
    #5868336 - 07/17/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Isnt that one of the risks with drinking too much water? It dilutes the level of salt in your system which can put your body into shock. While it is important to stay hydrated while on drugs, drinking too much water can also be a risk in itself.


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Re: ER visit on MDMA + shrooms [Re: kaniz]
    #5871493 - 07/17/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Try Gatorade rather than water. It will help replenish your electrolytes such as sodium, potassium, and calcium (monopotasium phosphate pulls calcium out of your bones to be used for muscular contraction, etc).


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Re: ER visit on MDMA + shrooms [Re: MorphMan]
    #5872471 - 07/18/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

On a note. I will say - the 1 of 2 times I've ever felt close to a medical emergency while on drugs, is when I did meth+e+shrooms while at a REALLY over-heated club.

Was Pride Ball @ Aria, and gay parties tend to crank up the heat - its just 'part of the expierence' as then everyone ends up half naked, high, sweaty as hell and in close quaters.

Anywho, I did my shrooms after doing 2 or 3 E. Then, I start to feel /really/ cold, then notice I stopped sweating. I started to freak out and thought I had asked my friend for help, but turns out - I didnt tell him anything and was just lost in my own thought loops and was scared wondering why no one was noticing I wasnt OK.

Eventually I ran off, got some gatorade, a bottle of water, a cup of ice, went to an AC'd part of the club, put the ice onto the back of my neck and chugged so much fluids it wasnt funny.

I wont nessicarly blame the drugs on their own. But the drugs combined with HOT HOT HOT heat (peoples skins were pruneing they were sweating so much) and not drinking enough water can easily lead to a dangerous situation


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Re: ER visit on MDMA + shrooms [Re: kaniz]
    #5907052 - 07/27/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I was camping once in extreme heat (+110*), and I drank a TON of water. My hands and feet got swollen, and I found out later I actually had water poisioning due to lack of salt. Excess water can dilute the sodium in your body, so try to drink juice, gatoraide, or eat some saltines.


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