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Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd
    #5858772 - 07/14/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd

July 14, 2006

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter


Target is putting plans to build three South Side stores "on hold" -- and making veiled threats to close existing Chicago stores -- if the City Council mandates wage and benefit standards for "big-box" retailers, African-American aldermen warned Thursday.

The saber-rattling is intensifying as the clock winds down toward a July 26 showdown vote on plans to make Chicago the nation's first major city to establish a "living wage" for stores with at least 90,000 square feet of space operated by retailers with $1 billion in sales.

Minneapolis-based Target becomes the second retailing giant to threaten to pull out of the lucrative Chicago market in a last-ditch effort to stop an ordinance championed by organized labor that breezed through the City Council's Finance Committee 15-6 and has attracted support from 33 aldermen.








WAGE WAR

The current federal minimum wage is $5.15 an hour. Illinois' minimum wage is $6.50


Most Chicago area Wal-Mart employees average $10.99 an hour, with just a few making the starting wage of $7.25 an hour, Wal-Mart spokesman John Bisio recently said.


As of 2004, Target in many cities had a starting salary of about $7 an hour, published reports said. A few Target workers outside Illinois said they recently started with salaries as low as $6.25 an hour, according to postings on the Target Union! (www.targetunion.org) Web site for store employees.
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Wal-Mart has threatened to cancel plans to build as many as 20 Chicago stores over the next five years if retailers are required to pay employees at least $10 an hour and $3 in benefits by July 1, 2010.

'It would be devastation for us'



Mayor Daley is taking the threat seriously. He has challenged aldermen who oppose Wal-Mart's 20-store expansion to describe how they would replace the 8,000 lost jobs.

Target failed to return calls on the admonition communicated to aldermen of the 5th, 9th and 34th wards in recent days. Target real estate executive Chris Case was scheduled to meet with African-American aldermen Thursday, but the meeting was canceled because of scheduling conflicts.

Ald. Carrie Austin (34th) said a Target pullout would be devastating to the 32-acre shopping mall at 119th and Marshfield that developers had hoped to build, with help from a $23 million city subsidy. Home Depot would likely follow Target out the door. As many as 1,000 jobs would be lost, Austin said.

"It would be devastation for us. Our largest employer in the 34th Ward is the Police Department. The second-largest for us would be Jewel. We have no other resources," Austin said.

Referring to the anti-Wal-Mart movement that gave birth to the big-box ordinance, Austin said, "If you want to bully up on Wal-Mart, you've got to bring in the other ones, and damned if you do on them. If they suffer from it, too bad. If you want to control Wal-Mart, you should go about that a different way."

Accused of 'bullying tactics'



Ald. Leslie Hairston (5th) said she has a letter of intent from Target to build a new store at Marquette and Stony Island in her ward. But the developer has told her the store is "on hold" and that Target may close existing Chicago stores if the big-box ordinance goes through.

Hairston called it little more than a scare tactic. And even if the threat turns out to be real, she's standing firm in support of organized labor.

"Wal-Mart and Target could pay their people a living wage. Then we wouldn't have this problem, and people could actually live on the money they made," Hairston said.

Ald. Joe Moore (49th), chief sponsor of the big-box ordinance, accused Target and Wal-Mart of using "bullying tactics" to stop a train that has already left the station.

"It's an idle threat. ... They're clearly trying to ... intimidate members of the City Council. I am very hopeful that members will hold firm. ... The votes are still there," Moore said. He predicted 33 votes for the ordinance, "maybe more," even though Daley has been buttonholing aldermen to try to stop it.

Ald. Howard Brookins (21st) is still searching for a big-box retailer to replace the Wal-Mart his colleagues nixed at 83rd and Stewart.

Brookins said Wal-Mart executives have told him they may take the lead of the riverboat casinos that ring Chicago and run free shuttle buses to their suburban stores if the big-box ordinance passes.

"I don't know if it was in jest, but they did say it. ... That is an option that they could employ. They could set up locations to have pickup and dropoff. I don't think that is that farfetched," Brookins said.


Why stop at $10 dollars an hour? They could live more comfortable with $30 dollars and hour.

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5858991 - 07/14/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is a good article but there is much more to this issue. I will try to explain.

First of all, Chicago currently does not allow Walmart to build within the city limits. There is no walmart in Chicago, look it up. So the plan to bring in 20 stores to Chicago is a total change in policy.

The opponents of this do not want walmart/target here paying people $6.50 an hour or even $10 an hour, they just don't want them here, period. The businesses in these districts can charge high prices on goods due to an artificial lack of competition, and believe me they do. They fund the aldermen and this is reason why the aldermen are willing to sacrifice jobs to keep walmart out. Also, many of their constituents would rather collect welfare than work for $7 an hour, while the ones that do work are frightened into thinking they may loose their jobs so it is not a bad political move.

In Chicago, you follow the money and the connections to find out whats going on. There is only one political party so they essentially dictate policy.

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5858992 - 07/14/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck Chicago. :lol:

You utilize an effective business model and reap the benefits from doing so, and everyone wants a share of that. $7.25 an hour for daytime, basic cashier or salesfloor positions seems appropriate for the amount and nature of the work performed.

I make about $9.35 an hour and my girlfriend makes about $10.15 an hour (two hour differential for overnights, I personally lost that when I went to days, but did get a considerable base pay raise :wink:). We make enough money to live comfortably - we rent our three bedroom home, crank the air conditioning up, have several pets, two vehicles, DSL, and make enough money to buy shit we want and eat the food we want. :grin:

Of course, we don't have any children, certainly not three or four. I guess we have made wiser lifestyle choices, in proportion to the amount of money we make? :lol: I wouldn't want to raise a child if I was not able to provide for that child's survival in a sufficent manner, and I don't think it the best idea to create a child until one is established, for the welfare of that child. :shrug:

Perhaps the cost of living is greater in a city like Chicago.... all the more reason to move out of the city. :lol:

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5859015 - 07/14/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Perhaps the cost of living is greater in a city like Chicago.... all the more reason to move out of the city. 




All the more reason to bring in a walmart so people can actually afford basic goods and still have enough left over for food.  :wink:

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: Catalysis]
    #5859019 - 07/14/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So everyone has to drive outside city limits to shop at a Target or Walmart. Makes Sense.

What about Home depot or Lowe's?


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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5859035 - 07/14/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck the Targets, and Walmarts. Once they have run the mom, and pop stores out of business, you dont think the prices will start to rise?
Sure they will, same with the corporations, buying up the family
farms. That watermellon your buying now for a couple of dollars,
will start the upward spiral and who knows where the price will go.

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: Catalysis]
    #5859036 - 07/14/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting points. :grin:

So that makes sense, then - the cost of living is too high for someone working in an entry level position at Wal*Mart in a city such as Chicago because rules and regulations have kept Wal*Mart out so that the businesses in place can continue to overcharge. :smirk:

The adverse effects that Wal*Mart has on a community do not exist. As of May of this year, Wal*Mart has 45,373 associates in the state of Illinois. The average wage for regular, full-time associates in Illinois is $10.41 per hour. Wal*Mart's sales in Illinois collected $428.1 million in sales tax last year, and paid more than $79.9 million in state and local taxes last year... Also, "In 2005, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc spent $12,150,131,007 for merchandise and services with 2,704 suppliers in the state of Illinois. As a result of Wal-Mart's relationship with these suppliers, Wal-Mart supports 157,243 supplier jobs in the state of Illinois."

Hhhmm......

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: Catalysis]
    #5859041 - 07/14/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Catalysis said:
All the more reason to bring in a walmart so people can actually afford basic goods and still have enough left over for food.  :wink:




See my last reply. You're right, makes sense. :wink:

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: rod]
    #5859059 - 07/14/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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rod said:
Fuck the Targets, and Walmarts. Once they have run the mom, and pop stores out of business, you dont think the prices will start to rise?




Yes, that makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

I foresee it all... one day, Wal*Mart will drop the Nazi banners and start charging $50 for a gallon of milk... Its all part of the evil plan. No, I'm fucking serious, I've probably said too much already, and since I'm in on the secret, I might not make it home after work on Monday...  :eek:

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Sure they will, same with the corporations, buying up the family
farms. That watermellon your buying now for a couple of dollars,
will start the upward spiral and who knows where the price will go.




Well, the last time I scanned a watermelon, it said that the base price will be marked up to $75 a pound when we reveal the true evil. :tongue:

In all honesty, Wal*Mart accounts for less than 10% of all non-automotive retail sale in the United States. It'll be a little while before the Nazi banners drop and you spend an entire paycheck on one huge fucking watermelon. :smirk:

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5859064 - 07/14/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There are actually home depots and a some best buys, but not many (however, to be fair, there is not much land in chicago). Its actually kind of funny. Walmart has about 50 stores literally on the chicago borders. Almost everyone who works and shops there is from chicago and when you walk into one, they will be so crowded that you can't even walk down the isles. There are many obvious lower income families shopping there and buying food or maybe even a television as well as lower-middle and middle who take the drive out there to make their hard earned money go a little farther.

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Once they have run the mom, and pop stores out of business, you dont think the prices will start to rise?




They have not really done this anywhere else, why would they do it in chicago?

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5859076 - 07/14/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you see the light now?

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: rod]
    #5859144 - 07/14/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Excuse me?

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    #5859159 - 07/14/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Correct me if I am wrong, but Chicago and organized crime seem to be correlated, at least, at one point in time they were, and organized crime was certainly involved in local politics. Now, what association does organized crime and labor unions share? Why do labor unions have the regard for Wal*Mart that they do?

The picture becomes a little more clear, eh? :rolleyes:

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5859241 - 07/14/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Correct me if I am wrong, but Chicago and organized crime seem to be correlated, at least, at one point in time they were




They still are, only it has gone on for so long that it has become accepted and chicagoans now refer to them as "political armies".  Some interesting stuff goes on in chicago behind the scenes, thats for sure.

Anyways, there is at least one Target that I know of already on chicago so im pretty sure there is no moratorium on them.  The tax revenue that these stores generate must be immense and this is why mayor daley is fighting to build walmarts there.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: Catalysis]
    #5859444 - 07/14/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Let's not forget the Kennedy election, or Kennedy's mob boss father... :lol:

It all ties in somehow. :grin:

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: Catalysis]
    #5859880 - 07/14/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am a resident of chicago. I think I know of one target, but I wouldnt surprised if there are more. There are a few home depots and kmarts. And dozens of Jewel-Oscos and other large supermarkets.

the cost of living in chicago is extremely affordable relative to other similiar cities (i.e. LA, NYC, San Francisco).

I can see how wal-mart can negatively affect local, small business, so I am not in favor of them moving to our city. And, for the record, I am poor and wouldnt shop there anyway.

As for organized crime being involved with the city government, I have not heard of anything that substantial. This isnt the Capone-era. All governments are corrupt, but I dont see the organized crime influence here.

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Re: Target threatens to leave if wage rule OK'd [Re: Vvellum]
    #5859939 - 07/14/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So......what do you think of the I-pass.......paying tolls on roads that are already funded by the federal government? Isn't that a fucking shakedown?


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    #5859948 - 07/14/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you have to pay tolls anyway. the i-pass just lets you bypass the traffic. if paying tolls means better highway maintaince, then I'm cool with it. But I dont know enough about the highway funding to form an opinion. do you know how it works?

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    #5859969 - 07/14/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

not to be an asshole....but bro......tolls are complete bullshit......

You gonna make a civilian put an electronic pacemaker in his ride to go pass tolls expeditiously???

We have already paid for that in the form of taxes......

How much money do you think they bring in in tolls?????

Compare that to how much they spend of that money on the roads......tolls in chi town are a pure shakedown........!!!!!!!


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    #5860004 - 07/14/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I guess, but until I see some reputable numbers and analysis of the inner workings, I really dont have an opinion.

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