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Karo LC - Color after PC'ing?
    #5858281 - 07/14/06 04:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hey. When making a Karo LC, after pressure cooking, is a light greenish\brown (almost color of syrup in the bottle) color standard, or is that over-cooked? Thanks!  :thumbup:

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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: SDP]
    #5858301 - 07/14/06 04:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

sounds over-cooked. a perfect karo LC should be crystal clear, like water.

that's not to say it won't work, i've had plenty of them come out like that that colonized just fine anyway. people say that its carmelization, i don't agree with that terminology one bit but to each their own, and its semantics more than anything. but you might want to give it another shot unless you got spores to spare to be on the safe side, as per "conventional wisdom" around here dictates.

i usually steam sterilize LC for that reason, but have PC'd many a time with perfect success. get it to your 15PSI (or back off a little and use 10PSI if you're able to control your pressure), go for not a second over 15 minutes, cut the heat, and allow pressure and temp to drop naturally over the course of a few hours. should be good to go then.


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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5858330 - 07/14/06 04:57 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome! Thanks for the good advice!! I PC'ed 20 minutes... and didnt let cool off in the PC, oops. I dont have pressure control, but i can lower the heat so the steam flows out the exhaust as slow as possible. :smile: Thanks again for the input... great info! Hopefully i will DOMINATE this LC thing... hahaha  :tongue2: :thumbup: :mushroom2:

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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: SDP]
    #5858345 - 07/14/06 05:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeah... leaving it in the PC for a while after serves two purposes:

1) keeps the heat up well beyond that 15 minutes to ensure sterilization, but not so high that it overcooks

2) jars crack when you let 'em cool too fast.  never been a problem for me with grain or pf jars, but for some reason my LC jars crack on me quite often when i'm impatient... must be something different about having a jar full of liquid that causes it to happen more readily... sounds like you got lucky there, but i lost a half pint and a quart to impatience this week alone... oops :smile:


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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5858937 - 07/14/06 08:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

when i use distilled water it never seems to get discolored, but i never go over 20 minutes either.


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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: shambler]
    #5860630 - 07/15/06 04:38 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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when i use distilled water it never seems to get discolored, but i never go over 20 minutes either.




you know... that's an outstanding point.  i've used distilled, spring, mineral, filtered tap water... and thinking back, the distilled water ones always came out the clearest (and mineral water the darkest).  you might be on to something... :smile:  mineral content in the water effecting the coloration of the "cooked" end result? hm.  (and if anybody is wondering they've all worked about the same anyway, with the exception of tap that doesn't work well or sometimes at all, perhaps too much chlorine in my local water?)


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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5860641 - 07/15/06 04:46 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

if you live in an area that is succeptable to droughts, or you have a static water supply (like a big water tower), the chlorine is boosted a lot. in my area we get our water from a rain/snow fed reservoir and it has very little chlorine. i used to live in an area where it was pumped over 15 miles to our house and you could actually smell the chlorine in the water... that was gross, but i never got amoebic dystenary!

I know that straight chlorine bleach kills myc, i could understand a small amount in an LC stalling any growth, not beyond reason, however i do believe most chlorine evaporates when boiling... it is, after all a gas at room temperature :P


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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5861306 - 07/15/06 12:06 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, yea, i will have to try w/o the tap... and with some spring water! Also... how colonized does a babybottle LC have to be before it can be used? There is about a 1.5 inch area on the top of the bottle that has a bunch of mycellium floating around. Good to use yet? Thanks!  :thumbup: :mushroom2:

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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: SDP]
    #5861702 - 07/15/06 02:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

as long as you can reach into the myc with your needle, and get a nice bunch of it into a syringe, it doesn't really matter how colonized the jar/bottle is. obviously the goal is to have enough in your syringe so that there's enough little pieces in there for each inoculation point later on as you do your jars or whatever... and make sure there's some left in the LC bottle and it will re-grow anyway (until nutes run out of course)


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Re: Karo LC - Color after PC'ing? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5862082 - 07/15/06 04:41 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Sweeeeeet!!  :sunny:  I used distilled water, modified my PC'ing methods and gave it a bit less Karo (7cc instead of 10cc in a 2/3 filled small mayo jar w/ filter lid). Kept it on 8 out of 10 on the stove (instead of 10) until it started steaming a bit, then set the timer for 15minutes. When it started to really pressure up, i turned the heat down to 4-5 for the remainder of the time. Let cool in the container. Very clear and ready to go! Thanks again for the advice!  :thumbup: :rastamon:  :bandana:

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