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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
#5879266 - 07/19/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you wouldn't let any foreigners die.. Ok, that's an answer
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5879298 - 07/19/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And this somehow proves what exactly?
It is complete nonsense to say that we are fighting them there rather than here. There is not one country in the middle east who was, is or will be a threat to america in the foreseeable future. No matter how much you buy into this "bogymen are coming to get you" routine, doesn't make it any more true. Nor does bush winning an election make the statement any more factual.
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There is not one country in the middle east who was, is or will be a threat to america in the foreseeable future.
No? You can't see... oh... I don't know... Iran, for example, sending operatives to the US to pull off some kind of terrorist attack? That's the kind of thing only stateless actors such as Osama bin Laden and his Merry Pranksters do?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5879332 - 07/19/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone who would let any foreigners die in that situation would be letting people die for no reason. The question creates a reality in which an American must die so foreigners dying is meaningless to the situation. You are basically asking how many foreigners do you want to see die for no reason. But, you knew that didn't you?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
#5879346 - 07/19/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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And what would iran gain from that? What would it accomplish for them in the long run?
What has happened, is you have bought into this idea that you have a reason to be scared. Britain and France before ww2 had a reason to be scared. People during the cold war had a reason to be scared, but being afraid of a tiny country like iran is total bullshit. If you want to be afraid of anyone, be afraid of the US govt, for they are the ones who stand to gain the most from taking over smaller countries.
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And what would iran gain from that? What would it accomplish for them in the long run?
Is that a yes or a no?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
#5879982 - 07/20/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said:
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There is not one country in the middle east who was, is or will be a threat to america in the foreseeable future.
No? You can't see... oh... I don't know... Iran, for example, sending operatives to the US to pull off some kind of terrorist attack? That's the kind of thing only stateless actors such as Osama bin Laden and his Merry Pranksters do?
Phred
Is this story of "roving terrorists" the one you've moved on to now you know that WMD will be laughed at?
There are actual, real-life examples of people in America committing terrorist attacks like Tim Mcveigh. Why don't you see a threat from americans? Why has it got to be from Iran?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5880069 - 07/20/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sure the U.S. government weighs in the risk, and it's probably quite clear to them that foreign terrorists pose a greater threat than domestic radicals. White Supremists, anti-Abortion radicals, neo-Nazis and other elements of a potential domestic threat are simply inconsistent compared to the world-wide radical Islamist movement.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5880094 - 07/20/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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But it's a "world wide movement" with how many members? They've only managed to commit one attack on the US soil in the last 5 years. Does one attack every 5+ years really qualify as a threat?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5880200 - 07/20/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Countless attacks planned for U.S. soil have been foiled since 9-11, not to mention the U.S. has been targeted for a major terror attack twice before 9-11 (1993 WTC bombing and the botched New Years 2000 attack. Bali/Australia, Madrid and London have been hit with very significant attacks as terrorists are having a difficult time penetrating the U.S., so they hit American allies hard. I think it's fairly obvious that the threat posed by foreign radicals is far greater than domestic radicals.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5880261 - 07/20/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Countless attacks planned for U.S. soil have been foiled since 9-11,
Well, we've got George Bush's word on that. And again if the attacks are getting foiled so easily what "threat" does it amount to?
not to mention the U.S. has been targeted for a major terror attack twice before 9-11 (1993 WTC bombing
Well that's 1993 and 2001. Two attacks in 13 years. That's a pretty low level threat.
Bali/Australia, Madrid and London have been hit with very significant attacks as terrorists are having a difficult time penetrating the U.S., so they hit American allies hard.
Well there's been one attack in London in the 3 years since the Iraq war. Back in the IRA days the IRA were launching scores of attacks a year.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5880316 - 07/20/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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so you're saying its ok for those murderers to kill our people as long as its far a few between and as long as thats the case,we should just sit back and watch but not interfere or not kill them nutjobs whereever we can find them and ofcourse keep sending them food aid and help them when natural disasters hit them?
yep thats what youre saying,no further comment necessary
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
#5880358 - 07/20/06 04:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, I'm saying that with 2 attacks in 13 years there's no need to shit yourselves just yet.
It reminds me of when the IRA were around and Bruce Willis and Sly Stallone were too shit scared to go to Britain. Americans do tend to scare easily for some reason.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5880504 - 07/20/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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can I have a bunch a shrooms?
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SIMPLY BECAUSE THE GATES OF HEAVEN ARE OPENING.
THAT IS ALL
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5880745 - 07/20/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex213 said: No, I'm saying that with 2 attacks in 13 years there's no need to shit yourselves just yet.
how do you come to two attacks in 13 years?
there's been 3 on australia targets alone since 2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Jakarta_embassy_bombing
"This was the third recent major attack involving Australians or Australian targets in Indonesia, after the 2002 Bali terrorist bombing, and the 2003 J.W. Marriott Hotel bombing. The executors of that attack, Jemaah Islamiyah, were also head suspects for this bombing."
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
#5881061 - 07/20/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You listed two attacks on America since 1993.
The executors of that attack, Jemaah Islamiyah
Were these the same people who attacked america? Or is it a case of anyone who lets off a bomb with a muslim sounding name anywhere in the world is a threat to you over in America? That's pretty paranoid.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5881077 - 07/20/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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youre not a very good reader
its about attacks on australia and you can't really miss that
anthe muslims that did them admitted it ie publicly took responsibilty for them so it's pretty hard to blame anyone else dont you think
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
#5881252 - 07/20/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. I said there had been one attack on America in the last 5 years. You said "What about the 93 WTC bombing". That makes two attacks in 13 years. Am I wrong? How many attacks do you think there have been on american soil in the last 13 years?
If you want to talk about attacks in Australia lets talk about them. As far as I'm aware there havn't been any. Bali isn't in Australia.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5881266 - 07/20/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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 so if we blew up an indonesian embassy or hotel in australia,that wouldnt be an attack on indonesia? i'm finding it very hard not to flame you alex maybe you should think about the 'baiting' rule before you go on a little vacation google australia and you can learn all about it and we'll leave it at that ok cobber:D
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