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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5878053 - 07/19/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes it is. Israel is content bombing them to hell. The Americans could have done the same thing in Iraq, and saved American lives, but then again, the value of the chosen ones lives are greater than any other on this planet.
Look at the holocaust, that's all you ever hear about from WWII. Didn't 12 million Russians die, along with countless others all over the world. Yet, all I remember from high school history, is those 6 million. Yes, it was a horrible event, but I get the overwhelming sense that Jewish lives are worth more than non-Jewish lives. This current bombardment only proves this point further.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
#5878062 - 07/19/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I agree. It somehow assumes that foreign civilians' lives are less worth than American civilians'.
Not to mention the fact that for his statement to be true, you would have to assume those foreign civilians would go on to murder American civilians, which is a huge stretch.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5878156 - 07/19/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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In addition, bombing the infrastructure of a country in order to punish its inhabitants rather than legitimate military targets is a war crime under international law.
What's really stupid is the Lebanon finally got a pro-western, anti-Syrian government which is likely to fall now as a result of the Israeli onslaught. Now we will be able to count one more domino falling in the middle east. . .to the extremist islamists who now control Iraq and Iran. At least we now have $70+ per barrel oil, so the Bush family wins at the expense of the rest of us. Perhaps Bush can bring democracy to a few more countries so we can have $100+ per barrel oil? RR
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5878199 - 07/19/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: At least we now have $70+ per barrel oil, so the Bush family wins at the expense of the rest of us. Perhaps Bush can bring democracy to a few more countries so we can have $100+ per barrel oil? RR
Just Blame It on Bush
Newhouse News ^ | 7/19/2006 | James Lileks
Just Blame It on Bush BY JAMES LILEKS
You can't call this the Arab-Israeli war of '06, since some of the usual belligerents have declined to participate. You could call it World War III, as Newt Gingrich has suggested, but that annoys everyone who wanted the Cold War to be WWIII, never mind that we got it out of the way without a nuclear swapmeet. You could call it the Israel-Hezbollah War, but that lets Syria and Iran off the hook.
So let's just call it Bush's Fault. At least that's what Howard Dean proposes. The energetic head of the Democratic National Committee had this to say:
"If you think what's going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn't, because we would have worked day after day after day to make sure we didn't get where we are today. We would have had the moral authority that Bill Clinton had ... when he brought together the Israelis and the Palestinians."
Does Dean mean the Oslo accords? Clinton had been president less than a year. What's more, Norwegian diplomats did all the heavy lifting (specifically, suspending disbelief about Yasser Arafat's motives, which can throw your back out if you're not careful).
Does Dean mean the Camp David negotiations, which ended in the bloody second intifada? Details, details. Moral Authority, that's what counts. Doesn't stop wars, but it makes the bad guys look extra guilty. Ingrates!
This is not to underestimate Clinton's ability to make other diplomats feel good about themselves or to produce impressive pieces of paper. But Mr. Clinton, at least, is not running in 2008, and neither Al Gore nor John Kerry had Clinton's conspicuous gift for oleaginous empathy.
Then again, who knows? Perhaps Gore would have Moral Authority gushing out his ear if he'd become president and chosen to leave Saddam in power. No question Hezbollah would have been impressed -- perhaps enough to aim the rockets a little to the left, so they'd land on the outskirts of the playgrounds.
But the revealing moment in Dean's assertion was its touching faith in Talk and Work. President Gore or Kerry would have been working day after day after day on the issue. Nonstop! Sleeves rolled up, dinner at the desk: Make another pot of coffee, Mabel, this Golan Heights dispute won't solve itself.
This suggests the Democrats believe the difficulties of the Middle East have the weight and consequence of a tariff dispute. This suggests they don't understand that Hezbollah's definition of "disarm" is blowing off Israeli limbs.
Imagine a typical negotiation ........
Fierce-eyed Hezbollah representative: Thank you for the invitation; lovely office. Death to Israel.
Gullible American: Well, that's just rhetoric; we understand.
Hezbollah: It is not rhetoric. It is truth. The Zionist entity is a festering infected splinter in the lip of the Caliphate.
(Pause)
American: So you're saying you want some antibiotics as well? We can do that. But you have to show us you're ready to coexist with Israel.
Hezbollah: We recognize the right of Israel to exist, but only as a footnote in history books.
American: So we agree on principle, and the rest is just a matter of details. Great! We'll draw up the treaty for the signing ceremony. You're going to love the pens. They're Cross. Smoothest pen you've ever used.
Hezbollah: I will save it to plunge into the heart of the last Jew to crawl towards the sea.
American: Do you need your parking validated?
(Repeat until the most recent accords fall apart, then call for new accords.)
Howard Dean is not a stupid man; he knows Iran and Syria are the real actors behind this game. But his words placate the Democrats' netroots activists who think Bush is stumping the country blaming the Hezbollah attacks on Max Cleland.
Fine. If Israel eliminates Hezbollah, humiliates the fascists of Syria and lets Lebanon get on with the Cedar Revolution devoid of murder-gang influence, will that be Bush's doing?
Of course not. He doesn't have Moral Authority, like Bill Clinton.
July 19, 2006
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5878237 - 07/19/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Am I the only one who feels that a cut & paste does not a post make?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Asante]
#5878246 - 07/19/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Fierce-eyed Hezbollah representative: Thank you for the invitation; lovely office. Death to Israel.
Gullible American: Well, that's just rhetoric; we understand.
Hezbollah: It is not rhetoric. It is truth. The Zionist entity is a festering infected splinter in the lip of the Caliphate.
(Pause)
American: So you're saying you want some antibiotics as well? We can do that. But you have to show us you're ready to coexist with Israel.
Hezbollah: We recognize the right of Israel to exist, but only as a footnote in history books.
American: So we agree on principle, and the rest is just a matter of details. Great! We'll draw up the treaty for the signing ceremony. You're going to love the pens. They're Cross. Smoothest pen you've ever used.
Hezbollah: I will save it to plunge into the heart of the last Jew to crawl towards the sea.
American: Do you need your parking validated?
(Repeat until the most recent accords fall apart, then call for new accords.) "
I enjoyed the dialogue for the peace negotiations.
guess you didn't.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
#5878731 - 07/19/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I agree. It somehow assumes that foreign civilians' lives are less worth than American civilians'.
They are. Life is cheap as it is.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
#5878741 - 07/19/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you saying that American lives are somehow more sacred than non-American lives?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5878745 - 07/19/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Yes it is. Israel is content bombing them to hell. The Americans could have done the same thing in Iraq, and saved American lives, but then again, the value of the chosen ones lives are greater than any other on this planet.
Look at the holocaust, that's all you ever hear about from WWII. Didn't 12 million Russians die, along with countless others all over the world. Yet, all I remember from high school history, is those 6 million. Yes, it was a horrible event, but I get the overwhelming sense that Jewish lives are worth more than non-Jewish lives. This current bombardment only proves this point further.
They are worth more because the whole Jewish people were targeted for extermination...... Genghis Khan killed millions as well but he didn't say "Look, let's just take all the Russians and exterminate them".
Hmmm, I wonder if I got Genghis Kahn blood in me? LOL
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5878753 - 07/19/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Basilides said: Are you saying that American lives are somehow more sacred than non-American lives?
I am saying if i had to choose between killing a foreigner or a compatriot, i would choose the foreigner.
Is that clear enough?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5878775 - 07/19/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fine. If Israel eliminates Hezbollah, humiliates the fascists of Syria and lets Lebanon get on with the Cedar Revolution devoid of murder-gang influence, will that be Bush's doing?
Israel is not going to eliminate Hezhollah as much as the Coalition forces will get rid of the Iraqi Insurgency. The Israelis are throwing gas on the fire. Wait till the Israelis mount a ground assault thats when the sparks start flying.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
#5878778 - 07/19/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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How many foreigners would you let die before you would allow a compatriot to perish?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5878925 - 07/19/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every last one.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: daimyo]
#5879087 - 07/19/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh come one.. how the hell are we going to host the World Cup and the Olympics then
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: daimyo]
#5879159 - 07/19/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL daimyo
Clever question ziddy, did you come with that yourself?
I'll answer but you need to clarify it first.
You seem to be implying that when i allow a compatriot to die the deaths would stop. Should i be inferring that? If not, when do the deaths stop?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
#5879180 - 07/19/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a simple question. How many foreigners would you let die before allowing a compatriot to die? 10? 100? 300? An entire nation? The planet?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5879196 - 07/19/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Basilides said: It's a simple question. How many foreigners would you let die before allowing a compatriot to die? 10? 100? 300? An entire nation? The planet?
I'm guessing the smiley face means you know why that question is flawed and just a trap. Answer my questions about your question or i can't answer.
Really, nice try though. But I'd love to answer if you would clarify.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
#5879202 - 07/19/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, I'll bite. Yes, the deaths would stop provided you give up the life of one single compatriot. So, how long would you let the sand timer chip away?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
#5879251 - 07/19/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would kill my compatriot first.
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