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World on the brink of War?
    #5857714 - 07/14/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This whole fiasco with Israel and its neigbours is all over the news; I'll assume that anyone in these forums is familiar with the situation.
All the conditions were ripe for a new world war in the middle east for the past long while, and all it needed was some archduke to get himself shot (or some nerdy looking conscript kidnapped). Now, everyone is being dragged in around Israel. A single kidnapping by Hamas seemed to be enough justification to lay siege to Palestine.
Hezbollah decided to join the party by grabbing 2 more, and now Lebannon is getting the fuck bombed out it from jets and naval guns.

Now the Arab world is getting pissed at Israel (me too, but for different reasons*), and it is inevitable that Egypt will enter the fray if it continues.

Syria is trying to lay low, but Bush out of nowhere and unlooked for says "Syria must be held accountable" (FOR WHAT!? what have they done?). Now, ever since Iraq, its been on the Bush regime's mind that Syria is next on the hit list, but it needs another 9/11 to do it. This could suffice, and so Bush throws them in.
Now there's talk of Turkey being pushed to use it's influence.
The world has moved on, and is about to take a giant leap further.


*- The best these terrorist organizations can do against Israel is kidnap, suicide bomb, and launch homemade rockets that have a shot in the dark (no pun intended) of killing anything. Israel retaliates with tonnes of ordinance on non-military targets like airports and roads. Israel wants a war, and lets not forget that they are nuclear power (nookular).


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Minstrel]
    #5857727 - 07/14/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm waiting for Israel to lite up a nuke and see what happens then.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857815 - 07/14/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

anyone remember john titor? real TT or not all this is pretty much what he was talking bout just a wee bit late. i pretty much knew along with anyone with some common scense would know another huge war is due its just a matter of time and it looks like its about to start


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: 013akilper]
    #5857962 - 07/14/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> it looks like its about to start

Nah, it's too soon. Once Iran tests a nuke, in five to eight years, then we are getting close. Everything going on now is simply for the sake of raising oil prices. They had started to go down, remember? Here in a few weeks, once all the oil companies have filled their pockets, things will return to "normal".


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Minstrel]
    #5858004 - 07/14/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think so. I think if the world is thrusted into a major conflict and crisis, it will probably involve Iran and North Korea, and these will probably be seperate conflicts as I doubt Iran and North Korea are ever going to ally themselves with one another. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is ages old, and every few years there is an outbreak of violence. It was quite hectic and crazy like this back in 2002 when suicide bombers were hitting Israel almost every other day eventually resulting in the Jenin massacre when Israel cracked down. The most this current crisis can escalate to is an all out war between Israel and Hezbollah, which would eventually lead to the dispersement/defeat of Hezbollah.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Seuss]
    #5858140 - 07/14/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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> it looks like its about to start

Nah, it's too soon.  Once Iran tests a nuke, in five to eight years, then we are getting close.  Everything going on now is simply for the sake of raising oil prices.  They had started to go down, remember?  Here in a few weeks, once all the oil companies have filled their pockets, things will return to "normal".




good point...hasnt n korea been testing missles and such recently? not nukes but if they did have some they could just strap one onto one of them missles and launch em somewhere not so fun. and iran been talking bout having nuclear power or whatever.i havnt been following up too much on this whole middle east stuff kinda been in my own little world for the past couple months  :confused:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: 013akilper]
    #5858244 - 07/14/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The end of the world has got to happen because of some idiots arguing over land if it happens at all.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: 013akilper]
    #5858540 - 07/14/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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013akilper said:
anyone remember john titor? real TT or not all this is pretty much what he was talking bout just a wee bit late. i pretty much knew along with anyone with some common scense would know another huge war is due its just a matter of time and it looks like its about to start




If I am not mistaken, Titor said there would be civil war in the US starting in 2006 not a world war.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5858841 - 07/14/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

WW3 was supposed to be "very short" in 2015. An all-out nuke swap-fest, which is why it doesn't last long.

Johh Titor was a good story.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5858860 - 07/14/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm waiting for Israel to lite up a nuke and see what happens then.




hell yes, nuke those fucking cave dwelling, sand niggers.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Minstrel]
    #5858902 - 07/14/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Will this war go nuclear?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/index.asp

Here is the situation: World leaders are lining up, either on the side of the Islamic terrorists (Chirac and Putin) or the side of their victims (the United States and -- somewhat -- Great Britain). The Vatican, which has an unsavory record in regard to the periodic slaughters of the Jews has thrown its moral weight (such as it is these days) onto the scales against the Jews. As the Hizbollah terrorists fire hundreds of rockets into Israeli cities from Lebanon and the Pope condemns Israel's attempts to destroy the rockets aimed at its citizens, Israel's chief of staff is forced to concede that those rockets can reach farther than previously thought, putting more Israelis in danger. Meanwhile, the Syrian terrorist state tells Time magazine that it could destroy Israel's nuclear sites. Hizbollah, Hamas, Iran and Syria occupy areas that are one hundred times the size of Israel and the populations they control are ten times the size of Israel's.
Hizbollah and Hamas, and their patron Iran, have sworn to remove Israel from the face of the earth -- in those very words. Iran has defied the world community in asserting its determination to complete its nuclear program. Syria supports Iran, hosts Hamas and is a party to this malignant Islamic crusade. Behind them stand Russia and China and North Korea, and also apparently the international left which is lining up squarely behind the jihadists -- and has been doing so throughout the open preparation of this second holocaust. The left's favorite apostle Noam Chomsky only months ago was embracing Hizbollah's Hitler, Hassan Nasrallah, and his genocidal agendas.

So here is the issue: If you were Israel's prime minister, could you afford to wait until Iran attains nuclear warheads for Hizbollah's missiles? Or can you be sure it hasn't already been supplied such warheads by Russia or China through Iran? Could you afford to wait to see if Syria will supply the chemical and biological weapons it has cached for Saddam Hussein to Hizbollah and Hamas? Or would you proceed to plan B and obliterate them now?

While the Israeli prime minister ponders this question, leftists who are encouraging the forces of genocide -- Hizbollah, Hamas, Syria and Iran -- might want to think how all the present bloodshed and the next terrible decisions that Israel must take to defend itself -- and their consequences -- will lie on their heads


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: rod]
    #5860686 - 07/15/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I am ashamed to be from the same culture as people who so openly condemn others to massive death. Maybe we do deserve a nuclear war to rid us of people that think it's a good idea. Mankind as a whole certainly seems to have lost any real ability to reason.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5860697 - 07/15/06 03:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thats the problem

it wouldnt be too hard for me to lie and say i'm asiatik and hate my own race on the net either


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5862451 - 07/15/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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thats the problem

it wouldnt be too hard for me to lie and say i'm asiatik and hate my own race on the net either




Too bad your baned right now so you might not see my reply but I'll say something anyway.

Look here, there are people like me in america who do not agree with what our leaders do. We recognize that there are bad people out there that want americans dead. But we also know they don't want us dead for some made up reasons. Maybe I would be a good little flag waver like you if there weren't so damn many lies told every fucking election year. The leaders of my govt are a pack of lying dogs! And if someone lies to me a thousand times you damn well better believe I am NOT going to buy their bullshit just because they decided to have a war.

I am from the US weather you want to believe I'm asian or whatever, it means nothing to me. Maybe when this war on drugs ends and they stop locking up people for victimless crimes and stop lying to us about health care and the other 500 lies they tell every election year then I might join on your side in touting western greatness. But I refuse to pick the lesser of two evils, they can both rot for all I care. We should pull all our troops out of the middle-east and send all the senetors who voted for the iraq war and the coorperate hounds who profited from it in their place, the world would be alot better off. Oh and we could send all the mindless flag wavers there too, music would certainly be far better without tim magraw  :tongue2:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Minstrel]
    #5862491 - 07/15/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the world has been on the brink of war for the past 60 years.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: wilshire]
    #5862516 - 07/15/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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the world has been on the brink of war for the past 60 years.




The world has been on the brink of war since there were humans of different clans.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5865313 - 07/16/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

wilshire said:
the world has been on the brink of war for the past 60 years.




The world has been on the brink of war since there were humans of different clans.




Nonsense.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Seuss]
    #5865552 - 07/16/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Here in a few weeks, once all the oil companies have filled their pockets, things will return to "normal".




I disagree 100%....Their pockets are bottomless. Bring on hybrids!!


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5865560 - 07/16/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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wilshire said:
the world has been on the brink of war for the past 60 years.




The world has been on the brink of war since there were humans of different clans.




Nonsense.




BBC NEWS
Brutal lives of Stone Age Britons
By Paul Rincon
BBC News science reporter

A survey of British skulls from the early part of the New Stone Age, or Neolithic, shows societies then were more violent than was supposed.

Early Neolithic Britons had a one in 20 chance of suffering a skull fracture at the hands of someone else and a one in 50 chance of dying from their injuries.

Details were presented at a meeting of the Society for American Archaeology and reported in New Scientist magazine.

Blunt instruments such as clubs were responsible for most of the traumas.

This is not the first time human-induced injuries have been identified in Neolithic people; but the authors say it is the first study to give some idea of the overall frequency of such traumas.

Rick Schulting of Queen's University Belfast and Michael Wysocki from the University of Central Lancashire looked at 350 skulls spanning the period from 4000 BC to 3200 BC.

"We generally think of Neolithic people as living peaceful lives - they were busy looking after cereal crops and rearing livestock," Mr Wysocki told the BBC News website.

"But it was a much more violent society."

Mortal wounds

Nearly 5% of the skulls showed healed depressed fractures. They found unhealed injuries in 2% of the sample, suggesting these individuals died from their wounds.

But the true scale of the violence still remains unclear due to the nature of the evidence, say the authors. In other simple, small-scale societies, the incidence of death as a result of violence ranges from 8-33%.

"Our data shows 2% lethal cranial injuries, but these are just cranial. The data for other societies is for all lethal injuries, but ours is limited so we can't compare it," Mr Wysocki said.

"A lot of lethal injuries will be to soft tissues and that needn't affect bone."

The researchers suspect that what they are seeing is violence at the local and regional level rather than large-scale warfare involving large sections of the country.

"We could also be seeing raiding parties, cattle rustling, somebody suspecting the other tribe across the hill is practising witchcraft," the University of Central Lancashire forensic anthropologist explained.

"Some of the violence may be domestic; some of it may even be ritualised."

The majority of the traumas were caused by blunt instruments which may have included improvised clubs. But a handful of fractures look like they have been inflicted by flint arrowheads and spearpoints. One of the females in the sample appears to have been the victim of a brutal attack with a stone axe.

Another individual with a suspected projectile fracture appears to have had their ears slashed off - a possible instance of trophy-taking, the researchers speculate.

The research originally appeared in the Proceedings of the Prehistoric Society journal.

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Minstrel]
    #5866766 - 07/16/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The real question is, how many more wars will be led into for the advancement of the zionist cause and people? If they get massacred, maybe they'll stop murdering foreigners in other soverign nations. If the Arabs get a nuke, maybe they'll come to their senses, doubtful, but maybe. I just don't care less, really, and I'm getting ready to put myself in a position where I'll probably be doing some fighting.

I'd say that this would be a fantastic time to get into the military, get some good training and stock up.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5867505 - 07/16/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Which wars were for the Zionists in the first place?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5867731 - 07/16/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

WWII seemed to work out in their favor, yes? The perpetual, copyrighted "Holocaust", to suck money from countries for alleged past wrong doings, the subjegation of the German people and the restriction of their freedom of speech, expression and thought, the "6 Million!" that they get to mention whenever something doesn't go their way, or whenever they need an excuse for murdering civilians in foreign, soverign nations, oh, and......



That little "bonus". Now I don't want people to think that I'm a holocause denier, I'm not, but I think that it is used as an excuse rather frequently. I don't understand why people feel that the Jewish/Zionist nation of Israel is part of Western Culture/Civilization. We've just really got no ties to that place.


Back to your question, I'd say that any war against a Middle Eastern nation, especially under the guise of their supporting "terrorism" (mostly against Israel, probably), and especially a country that's launched missiles at the Tribes "Holy Land", would seem a bit suspicious?

Do you really not think that the US is conducting some of these wars to help Israel? That their isn't ANY Zionist encouragement for dealing with Islamic Fundamentalists, their biggest enemy, with our military might? I mean, seriously, you think that the country that we give the most foreign aid to per year doesn't have a lobbyist or two working for them in Washington? So, you either admit that their is "some degree" of pressure on our government, even in the form of legitimate lobbying that isn't part of some "Zionist Conspiracy", or you have to believe that the AIPAC and other "Israeli/American" organizations are spending all of their money for nothing?

OK, lets assume that you DO believe that Israel does have some lobby power with America. Do you think that it's a benefit that a foreign country, any foreign country, has the ability to control or influence our government? I'd say that I don't think that is a good thing. Now, when this country that has influence on our government is also a country that, lets face it, a large population of it's neighbors dispise and are at war with, can you forsee any possibility that we are being used to forward their gains?

Of course, Israel tells us that their gains are our gains, we are all fighting the same terrorists here, blah blah blah. I just don't see why we are entwining ourselves militarily and financially with this country.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
    #5868078 - 07/17/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The researchers suspect that what they are seeing is violence at the local and regional level rather than large-scale warfare involving large sections of the country.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5868132 - 07/17/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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WWII seemed to work out in their favor, yes? The perpetual, copyrighted "Holocaust", to suck money from countries for alleged past wrong doings, the subjegation of the German people and the restriction of their freedom of speech, expression and thought, the "6 Million!" that they get to mention whenever something doesn't go their way, or whenever they need an excuse for murdering civilians in foreign, soverign nations, oh, and......



That little "bonus". Now I don't want people to think that I'm a holocause denier, I'm not, but I think that it is used as an excuse rather frequently. I don't understand why people feel that the Jewish/Zionist nation of Israel is part of Western Culture/Civilization. We've just really got no ties to that place.


Back to your question, I'd say that any war against a Middle Eastern nation, especially under the guise of their supporting "terrorism" (mostly against Israel, probably), and especially a country that's launched missiles at the Tribes "Holy Land", would seem a bit suspicious?

Do you really not think that the US is conducting some of these wars to help Israel? That their isn't ANY Zionist encouragement for dealing with Islamic Fundamentalists, their biggest enemy, with our military might? I mean, seriously, you think that the country that we give the most foreign aid to per year doesn't have a lobbyist or two working for them in Washington? So, you either admit that their is "some degree" of pressure on our government, even in the form of legitimate lobbying that isn't part of some "Zionist Conspiracy", or you have to believe that the AIPAC and other "Israeli/American" organizations are spending all of their money for nothing?

OK, lets assume that you DO believe that Israel does have some lobby power with America. Do you think that it's a benefit that a foreign country, any foreign country, has the ability to control or influence our government? I'd say that I don't think that is a good thing. Now, when this country that has influence on our government is also a country that, lets face it, a large population of it's neighbors dispise and are at war with, can you forsee any possibility that we are being used to forward their gains?

Of course, Israel tells us that their gains are our gains, we are all fighting the same terrorists here, blah blah blah. I just don't see why we are entwining ourselves militarily and financially with this country.





Jews have been in the US government for a long time. Ben Franklin gave a lot of money to build the first temple in the American Colonies. Not to mention a lot of Jews already live in the USA and Israel is considered a sister nation.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5868627 - 07/17/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Of course WWII benefited the Jews. They were being round up and exterminated. Taking those people out of power would of course benefit them. It would be incorrect to state that because the Jews benefited, the war was automatically fought for them as well. The war benefited communists as well, but that doesn't mean we fought the war for communists.

Also, about the wars in the Middle East, I don't believe Iraq or Afghanistan were a threat to Israel. We invaded them for our purposes, not theirs.

Don't get me wrong; the level of aid and support we give Israel is absurd. I'm just not deep enough down the rabbit hole to think that the whole world revolves around them. A part of it does, but not all of it.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5869345 - 07/17/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Frankly, I can't understand why white supremacists like the Duck hate Zionists. Their philosophies (except for the Jew hating part, mostly) are identical. They each want a country exclusively for their own race and despise intermarriage. Well, Duck does. The Zionists are a little more welcoming of the other. The Duck should have nothing but admiration for the Israelis. If he wasn't such as a bigot that is.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5869379 - 07/17/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



Theirs some jews who dont like zionists that much either, like Naturei Khat and Satmar.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5869436 - 07/17/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I know, that's why I added the mostly part. Now please take that picture away it is fucking up the text size of the whole thread.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5869457 - 07/17/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

as you wish.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: rod]
    #5869463 - 07/17/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
I'm waiting for Israel to lite up a nuke and see what happens then.




hell yes, nuke those fucking cave dwelling, sand niggers.




You my friend, are not very nice lol.... :thumbdown:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phishe]
    #5869482 - 07/17/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Phishe, take that away before Mom sees it


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phishe]
    #5869569 - 07/17/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Neither racism nor flaming racists is allowed in here I'm afraid.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5869585 - 07/17/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It always amazes me of how intolerant the so called tolerant crowd can be.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5869591 - 07/17/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

jews need to calm the fuck down. they are just as bad as the arabs


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5870202 - 07/17/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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quiver said:
thats the problem

it wouldnt be too hard for me to lie and say i'm asiatik and hate my own race on the net either




Too bad your baned right now so you might not see my reply but I'll say something anyway.

  :tongue2:




don't worry,i seen it but couldnt reply

i'll bet thats what you call a fair debate too,
no-one can disagree with you if you argue by yourself so
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5870303 - 07/17/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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i'll bet thats what you call a fair debate too,
no-one can disagree with you if you argue by yourself so
stand proud and ALONE but proud none the less




Alone? Hardly.

You make a very poor assumption because one is not part of the majority that they are alone. And I call a fair debate looking at factual information and drawing a conclusion from that, not just simply accepting what you hear as fact without looking for yourself.

I ask you, do you so casually believe such liars in everyday life like you do in politics? If I run into someone who lies to me, I am immediately suspect of all further things that come out of their mouth. That includes politicians. Let us not forget what draws us to this board: the war on drugs. As much as Phred likes the drug war forum to keep it out of his political debate, it is highly political and deserves to be considered as background in all political debate concerning the US. How one can see the giant lie in front of them and still believe any other word from the govt unquestioningly is beyond my understanding.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5870323 - 07/17/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

you have got to be fucking joking
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you got me banned :bitch:....feel better?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5870355 - 07/17/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Your own responses got you baned, now if you have no further point you could stop derailing threads by taking stabs at me. Don't you have some kangaroos to chase out of your back yard or somethin?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5870369 - 07/17/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Let us not forget what draws us to this board: the war on drugs. As much as Phred likes the drug war forum to keep it out of his political debate, it is highly political and deserves to be considered as background in all political debate concerning the US. How one can see the giant lie in front of them and still believe any other word from the govt unquestioningly is beyond my understanding.




I came to this board to learn about Mushrooms and became addicted to the (Politics, Activism, and Law) forum.

Shit!

I did not know the war on drugs "should  be considered as background in all political debate"  :eek:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5870386 - 07/17/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Frankly, I can't understand why white supremacists like the Duck hate Zionists. Their philosophies (except for the Jew hating part, mostly) are identical. They each want a country exclusively for their own race and despise intermarriage. Well, Duck does. The Zionists are a little more welcoming of the other. The Duck should have nothing but admiration for the Israelis. If he wasn't such as a bigot that is.




Oh, I do admire them. I think that if white people had the racial coherency that the Jews do, we'd solve this "problem" in about two seconds. However, part and parcel of the Zionist parasite mindset is duping other ethnicities into doing your dirty work, and sadly, we've been duped.

Hell, if the Jews said "OK, thanks for the help, we'll leave you all alone and you guys can have back your media, we'll stop pushing racemixing on you while trying to maintain our racially pure nation, no hard feelings", i'd be happy. OF course, that won't happen. A tick can't live sitting on the grass, it's got to have someone to suck blood from.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5870391 - 07/17/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Neither racism nor flaming racists is allowed in here I'm afraid.




Racism isn't allowed? Could I get a mod, rather than LF teh gr8, to give us a ruling on this one?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5870396 - 07/17/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You're still here, aren't you


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5870423 - 07/17/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course WWII benefited the Jews. They were being round up and exterminated.



*ahem* They were certainly being rounded up, the initial stories of "eradication" came from Jews who, allegedly, escaped the camps. Now I realize that in our new Age Of Reason, we can't dare question the impartiality of the Jews, especially with the Holocaust, but , well, 'nuff said.
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Also, about the wars in the Middle East, I don't believe Iraq or Afghanistan were a threat to Israel. We invaded them for our purposes, not theirs.



You don't remember Iraq launching missiles at Israel? Most of the "Islamic Fundamentalists™" dislike Israel primarily, and the USA secondarily because of our support for said primary nation.
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Don't get me wrong; the level of aid and support we give Israel is absurd. I'm just not deep enough down the rabbit hole to think that the whole world revolves around them. A part of it does, but not all of it.



Nor do I think that "all" of the world revolves around them.

Have oyu ever attended a Passover Seder? The traditional dinner? I've gone to a few (I have a number of non-zionist Jewish friends) and they always toast Israel and proclaim their love for it and their desire for Israel to be Jewish forever. Now, when you have people like that in the higher echelons of US Government power, do you seriously not think that they are pushing their agendas? What about in the media?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5870755 - 07/17/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How does it feel do be pwned by an inferior hook nosed race? Does it make you feel like a loser? Shouldn't it? They fucking own you.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5870906 - 07/17/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hah, thats amusing. A race of short dicked little heebs, cutting the ends of their cocks off, is "pnwing" people. Yea right. Like I said, someday the shoes gonna be on the other foot, and when that happens, the anti-Jew backlash is gonna be so great we'll juts wipe them from the planet like a turd from a butthole.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5870931 - 07/17/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
Your own responses got you baned, now if you have no further point you could stop derailing threads by taking stabs at me. Don't you have some kangaroos to chase out of your back yard or somethin?




*banned is how we spell it
this is a racist slur
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5870971 - 07/17/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Remmeber that Southpark episode "Two days before the day after tomorrow", when Randy says "lets take our clothes off and bundle up to stay warm". Well, the answer that he got is the one that you should get.






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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5871013 - 07/17/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well if the mods are fair and unbiased you should be found incorrect
she's been trolling and flaming and baiting me and then accuses me of doing the same thing and to me that reeks of hypocrosy

reporting/whining to the mods has a kind of domino effect i'm sad to say

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5871391 - 07/17/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have had to ban 3 people and warn one other since I have got online about a half hour ago. I don't want to hear another personal attack or off-topic post in this thread. There will be no more warnings. In fact, this is a formal warning to anyone who posts in this thread to keep it on-topic and clean.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5871648 - 07/17/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

you can't get any fairer than that.
i plan on following the rules just as you've warned
and hopefully i won't need to click that silly button again
thanks for being fair redstorm!
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5871897 - 07/18/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Hah, thats amusing. A race of short dicked little heebs, cutting the ends of their cocks off, is "pnwing" people. Yea right. Like I said, someday the shoes gonna be on the other foot, and when that happens, the anti-Jew backlash is gonna be so great we'll juts wipe them from the planet like a turd from a butthole.




Ummm I don't wanna seem like "know it all" but you are aware that semetic people in the Middle East are closely related to African lineages? So.... Sorry, my dick is bigger than yours, lol.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5872237 - 07/18/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have had to ban 3 people and warn one other since I have got online about a half hour ago.

You're not taking any prisoners today storm  :laugh:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5877485 - 07/19/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The important thing to remember according to dubya and his cronies is if you strap a 25 pound bomb to your body and blow up a bunch of innocent people in a market, it's terrorism, but if you fire a 2,000 pound bomb into the same market from an airplane or attack helicopter, it's legitimate national defense. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5877664 - 07/19/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The important thing to remember according to dubya and his cronies is if you strap a 25 pound bomb to your body and blow up a bunch of innocent people in a market, it's terrorism, but if you fire a 2,000 pound bomb into the same market from an airplane or attack helicopter, it's legitimate national defense. Why is that so hard to understand?
RR




Exactly, this double standard of what Israel is allowed to do, and the oppressed is not allowed to do is remarkable.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5877818 - 07/19/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The important thing to remember according to dubya and his cronies is if you strap a 25 pound bomb to your body and blow up a bunch of innocent people in a market, it's terrorism, but if you fire a 2,000 pound bomb into the same market from an airplane or attack helicopter, it's legitimate national defense. Why is that so hard to understand?
RR




"Dubya and his cronies" and most Americans understand that its better to have 25 - 2,000 pound bombs far away in Beirut/Baghdad rather than Portland/Chicago.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5877896 - 07/19/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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    The important thing to remember according to dubya and his cronies is if you strap a 25 pound bomb to your body and blow up a bunch of innocent people in a market, it's terrorism, but if you fire a 2,000 pound bomb into the same market from an airplane or attack helicopter, it's legitimate national defense. Why is that so hard to understand?
    RR




Exactly, this double standard of what Israel is allowed to do, and the oppressed is not allowed to do is remarkable.





Death toll on the Lebanese side is said to be over 250 :sad:

Israel says it wants to continue the campaign for a few weeks but does not want to deploy ground troops.

1 + 1 = 2

They are going to drop bombs from planes for WEEKS on end. Most people I speak IRL who were in favor of Israel's move are now all backing out of their previous stances. Its inhuman.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Asante]
    #5877913 - 07/19/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I just hate their arrogance, 3 Israeli lives are worth countless Arab lives. The end of the world may be sparked because Israel wanted these 3 soldiers back(which they could have got through a prisoner exchange). Which leads me to believe, they never wanted these soldiers back, they are a big fat excuse to pummel these Arab nations. I wonder if when all is said and done will the Israeli borders be expanded at all? My guess is yes.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Asante]
    #5877950 - 07/19/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

   
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    The important thing to remember according to dubya and his cronies is if you strap a 25 pound bomb to your body and blow up a bunch of innocent people in a market, it's terrorism, but if you fire a 2,000 pound bomb into the same market from an airplane or attack helicopter, it's legitimate national defense. Why is that so hard to understand?
    RR




Exactly, this double standard of what Israel is allowed to do, and the oppressed is not allowed to do is remarkable.





Death toll on the Lebanese side is said to be over 250 :sad:

Israel says it wants to continue the campaign for a few weeks but does not want to deploy ground troops.

1 + 1 = 2

They are going to drop bombs from planes for WEEKS on end. Most people I speak IRL who were in favor of Israel's move are now all backing out of their previous stances. Its inhuman.




I think it's up to 300 dead now, 1,000 injured and half a million displaced. It's a slap in the face to the Lebanese people. After this, they sure aren't going to be amiable towards Hezbollah for embarking on this icarian plummet into the sun, but they'll be quite bitter towards Israel for a very long time. All the reconstruction that has ensued since 2000 is now down the drain. And the IDF should get some balls and actually deal with Hezbollah hands-on instead of dropping bunker busters that take out a dozen civilians so Israel can be spared a sigle combatant death. It's cowardly.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5878024 - 07/19/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"Dubya and his cronies" and most Americans understand that its better to have 25 - 2,000 pound bombs far away in Beirut/Baghdad rather than Portland/Chicago.





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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5878049 - 07/19/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree. It somehow assumes that foreign civilians' lives are less worth than American civilians'.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5878053 - 07/19/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes it is. Israel is content bombing them to hell. The Americans could have done the same thing in Iraq, and saved American lives, but then again, the value of the chosen ones lives are greater than any other on this planet.

Look at the holocaust, that's all you ever hear about from WWII. Didn't 12 million Russians die, along with countless others all over the world. Yet, all I remember from high school history, is those 6 million. Yes, it was a horrible event, but I get the overwhelming sense that Jewish lives are worth more than non-Jewish lives. This current bombardment only proves this point further.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5878057 - 07/19/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5878062 - 07/19/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I agree. It somehow assumes that foreign civilians' lives are less worth than American civilians'.




Not to mention the fact that for his statement to be true, you would have to assume those foreign civilians would go on to murder American civilians, which is a huge stretch.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5878156 - 07/19/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In addition, bombing the infrastructure of a country in order to punish its inhabitants rather than legitimate military targets is a war crime under international law.

What's really stupid is the Lebanon finally got a pro-western, anti-Syrian government which is likely to fall now as a result of the Israeli onslaught. Now we will be able to count one more domino falling in the middle east. . .to the extremist islamists who now control Iraq and Iran. At least we now have $70+ per barrel oil, so the Bush family wins at the expense of the rest of us. Perhaps Bush can bring democracy to a few more countries so we can have $100+ per barrel oil?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5878199 - 07/19/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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At least we now have $70+ per barrel oil, so the Bush family wins at the expense of the rest of us. Perhaps Bush can bring democracy to a few more countries so we can have $100+ per barrel oil?
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Just Blame It on Bush
BY JAMES LILEKS

You can't call this the Arab-Israeli war of '06, since some of the usual belligerents have declined to participate. You could call it World War III, as Newt Gingrich has suggested, but that annoys everyone who wanted the Cold War to be WWIII, never mind that we got it out of the way without a nuclear swapmeet. You could call it the Israel-Hezbollah War, but that lets Syria and Iran off the hook.

So let's just call it Bush's Fault. At least that's what Howard Dean proposes. The energetic head of the Democratic National Committee had this to say:

"If you think what's going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn't, because we would have worked day after day after day to make sure we didn't get where we are today. We would have had the moral authority that Bill Clinton had ... when he brought together the Israelis and the Palestinians."

Does Dean mean the Oslo accords? Clinton had been president less than a year. What's more, Norwegian diplomats did all the heavy lifting (specifically, suspending disbelief about Yasser Arafat's motives, which can throw your back out if you're not careful).

Does Dean mean the Camp David negotiations, which ended in the bloody second intifada? Details, details. Moral Authority, that's what counts. Doesn't stop wars, but it makes the bad guys look extra guilty. Ingrates!

This is not to underestimate Clinton's ability to make other diplomats feel good about themselves or to produce impressive pieces of paper. But Mr. Clinton, at least, is not running in 2008, and neither Al Gore nor John Kerry had Clinton's conspicuous gift for oleaginous empathy.

Then again, who knows? Perhaps Gore would have Moral Authority gushing out his ear if he'd become president and chosen to leave Saddam in power. No question Hezbollah would have been impressed -- perhaps enough to aim the rockets a little to the left, so they'd land on the outskirts of the playgrounds.

But the revealing moment in Dean's assertion was its touching faith in Talk and Work. President Gore or Kerry would have been working day after day after day on the issue. Nonstop! Sleeves rolled up, dinner at the desk: Make another pot of coffee, Mabel, this Golan Heights dispute won't solve itself.

This suggests the Democrats believe the difficulties of the Middle East have the weight and consequence of a tariff dispute. This suggests they don't understand that Hezbollah's definition of "disarm" is blowing off Israeli limbs.

Imagine a typical negotiation ........




Fierce-eyed Hezbollah representative: Thank you for the invitation; lovely office. Death to Israel.

Gullible American: Well, that's just rhetoric; we understand.

Hezbollah: It is not rhetoric. It is truth. The Zionist entity is a festering infected splinter in the lip of the Caliphate.

(Pause)

American: So you're saying you want some antibiotics as well? We can do that. But you have to show us you're ready to coexist with Israel.

Hezbollah: We recognize the right of Israel to exist, but only as a footnote in history books.

American: So we agree on principle, and the rest is just a matter of details. Great! We'll draw up the treaty for the signing ceremony. You're going to love the pens. They're Cross. Smoothest pen you've ever used.

Hezbollah: I will save it to plunge into the heart of the last Jew to crawl towards the sea.

American: Do you need your parking validated?

(Repeat until the most recent accords fall apart, then call for new accords.)

Howard Dean is not a stupid man; he knows Iran and Syria are the real actors behind this game. But his words placate the Democrats' netroots activists who think Bush is stumping the country blaming the Hezbollah attacks on Max Cleland.

Fine. If Israel eliminates Hezbollah, humiliates the fascists of Syria and lets Lebanon get on with the Cedar Revolution devoid of murder-gang influence, will that be Bush's doing?

Of course not. He doesn't have Moral Authority, like Bill Clinton.

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5878237 - 07/19/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Am I the only one who feels that a cut & paste does not a post make?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Asante]
    #5878246 - 07/19/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Fierce-eyed Hezbollah representative: Thank you for the invitation; lovely office. Death to Israel.

Gullible American: Well, that's just rhetoric; we understand.

Hezbollah: It is not rhetoric. It is truth. The Zionist entity is a festering infected splinter in the lip of the Caliphate.

(Pause)

American: So you're saying you want some antibiotics as well? We can do that. But you have to show us you're ready to coexist with Israel.

Hezbollah: We recognize the right of Israel to exist, but only as a footnote in history books.

American: So we agree on principle, and the rest is just a matter of details. Great! We'll draw up the treaty for the signing ceremony. You're going to love the pens. They're Cross. Smoothest pen you've ever used.

Hezbollah: I will save it to plunge into the heart of the last Jew to crawl towards the sea.

American: Do you need your parking validated?

(Repeat until the most recent accords fall apart, then call for new accords.) "




I enjoyed the dialogue for the peace negotiations.

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5878731 - 07/19/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I agree. It somehow assumes that foreign civilians' lives are less worth than American civilians'.




They are. Life is cheap as it is.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
    #5878741 - 07/19/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying that American lives are somehow more sacred than non-American lives?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5878745 - 07/19/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes it is. Israel is content bombing them to hell. The Americans could have done the same thing in Iraq, and saved American lives, but then again, the value of the chosen ones lives are greater than any other on this planet.

Look at the holocaust, that's all you ever hear about from WWII. Didn't 12 million Russians die, along with countless others all over the world. Yet, all I remember from high school history, is those 6 million. Yes, it was a horrible event, but I get the overwhelming sense that Jewish lives are worth more than non-Jewish lives. This current bombardment only proves this point further.




They are worth more because the whole Jewish people were targeted for extermination...... Genghis Khan killed millions as well but he didn't say "Look, let's just take all the Russians and exterminate them".

Hmmm, I wonder if I got Genghis Kahn blood in me? LOL


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5878753 - 07/19/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you saying that American lives are somehow more sacred than non-American lives?




I am saying if i had to choose between killing a foreigner or a compatriot, i would choose the foreigner.

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5878775 - 07/19/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Fine. If Israel eliminates Hezbollah, humiliates the fascists of Syria and lets Lebanon get on with the Cedar Revolution devoid of murder-gang influence, will that be Bush's doing?





Israel is not going to eliminate Hezhollah as much as the Coalition forces will get rid of the Iraqi Insurgency. The Israelis are throwing gas on the fire. Wait till the Israelis mount a ground assault thats when the sparks start flying.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
    #5878778 - 07/19/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How many foreigners would you let die before you would allow a compatriot to perish?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5878925 - 07/19/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Every last one.



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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: daimyo]
    #5879087 - 07/19/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Oh come one.. how the hell are we going to host the World Cup and the Olympics then


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: daimyo]
    #5879159 - 07/19/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

LOL daimyo

Clever question ziddy, did you come with that yourself?

I'll answer but you need to clarify it first.

You seem to be implying that when i allow a compatriot to die the deaths would stop. Should i be inferring that? If not, when do the deaths stop?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
    #5879180 - 07/19/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's a simple question. :smile: How many foreigners would you let die before allowing a compatriot to die? 10? 100? 300? An entire nation? The planet?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5879196 - 07/19/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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It's a simple question. :smile: How many foreigners would you let die before allowing a compatriot to die? 10? 100? 300? An entire nation? The planet?




I'm guessing the smiley face means you know why that question is flawed and just a trap. Answer my questions about your question or i can't answer.

Really, nice try though. But I'd love to answer if you would clarify.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
    #5879202 - 07/19/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, I'll bite. Yes, the deaths would stop provided you give up the life of one single compatriot. So, how long would you let the sand timer chip away?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5879251 - 07/19/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would kill my compatriot first.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: d33p]
    #5879266 - 07/19/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So you wouldn't let any foreigners die.. Ok, that's an answer  :smile:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5879298 - 07/19/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And this somehow proves what exactly?

It is complete nonsense to say that we are fighting them there rather than here. There is not one country in the middle east who was, is or will be a threat to america in the foreseeable future. No matter how much you buy into this "bogymen are coming to get you" routine, doesn't make it any more true. Nor does bush winning an election make the statement any more factual.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5879309 - 07/19/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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There is not one country in the middle east who was, is or will be a threat to america in the foreseeable future.




No? You can't see... oh... I don't know... Iran, for example, sending operatives to the US to pull off some kind of terrorist attack? That's the kind of thing only stateless actors such as Osama bin Laden and his Merry Pranksters do?




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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5879332 - 07/19/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone who would let any foreigners die in that situation would be letting people die for no reason. The question creates a reality in which an American must die so foreigners dying is meaningless to the situation. You are basically asking how many foreigners do you want to see die for no reason. But, you knew that didn't you?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5879346 - 07/19/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And what would iran gain from that? What would it accomplish for them in the long run?

What has happened, is you have bought into this idea that you have a reason to be scared. Britain and France before ww2 had a reason to be scared. People during the cold war had a reason to be scared, but being afraid of a tiny country like iran is total bullshit. If you want to be afraid of anyone, be afraid of the US govt, for they are the ones who stand to gain the most from taking over smaller countries.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5879357 - 07/19/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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And what would iran gain from that? What would it accomplish for them in the long run?




Is that a yes or a no?




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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5879982 - 07/20/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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There is not one country in the middle east who was, is or will be a threat to america in the foreseeable future.




No? You can't see... oh... I don't know... Iran, for example, sending operatives to the US to pull off some kind of terrorist attack? That's the kind of thing only stateless actors such as Osama bin Laden and his Merry Pranksters do?

Phred




Is this story of "roving terrorists" the one you've moved on to now you know that WMD will be laughed at?

There are actual, real-life examples of people in America committing terrorist attacks like Tim Mcveigh. Why don't you see a threat from americans? Why has it got to be from Iran?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5880069 - 07/20/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure the U.S. government weighs in the risk, and it's probably quite clear to them that foreign terrorists pose a greater threat than domestic radicals. White Supremists, anti-Abortion radicals, neo-Nazis and other elements of a potential domestic threat are simply inconsistent compared to the world-wide radical Islamist movement.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5880094 - 07/20/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

But it's a "world wide movement" with how many members? They've only managed to commit one attack on the US soil in the last 5 years. Does one attack every 5+ years really qualify as a threat?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5880200 - 07/20/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Countless attacks planned for U.S. soil have been foiled since 9-11, not to mention the U.S. has been targeted for a major terror attack twice before 9-11 (1993 WTC bombing and the botched New Years 2000 attack. Bali/Australia, Madrid and London have been hit with very significant attacks as terrorists are having a difficult time penetrating the U.S., so they hit American allies hard. I think it's fairly obvious that the threat posed by foreign radicals is far greater than domestic radicals.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5880261 - 07/20/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Countless attacks planned for U.S. soil have been foiled since 9-11,

Well, we've got George Bush's word on that. And again if the attacks are getting foiled so easily what "threat" does it amount to?

not to mention the U.S. has been targeted for a major terror attack twice before 9-11 (1993 WTC bombing

Well that's 1993 and 2001. Two attacks in 13 years. That's a pretty low level threat.

Bali/Australia, Madrid and London have been hit with very significant attacks as terrorists are having a difficult time penetrating the U.S., so they hit American allies hard.

Well there's been one attack in London in the 3 years since the Iraq war. Back in the IRA days the IRA were launching scores of attacks a year.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5880316 - 07/20/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

so you're saying its ok for those murderers to kill our people as long as its far a few between and as long as thats the case,we should just sit back and watch but not interfere or not kill them nutjobs whereever we can find them and ofcourse keep sending them food aid and help them when natural disasters hit them?

yep thats what youre saying,no further comment necessary

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5880358 - 07/20/06 04:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No, I'm saying that with 2 attacks in 13 years there's no need to shit yourselves just yet.

It reminds me of when the IRA were around and Bruce Willis and Sly Stallone were too shit scared to go to Britain. Americans do tend to scare easily for some reason.


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    #5880504 - 07/20/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

can I have a bunch a shrooms?


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    #5880651 - 07/20/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

SIMPLY BECAUSE THE GATES OF HEAVEN ARE OPENING.

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    #5880745 - 07/20/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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No, I'm saying that with 2 attacks in 13 years there's no need to shit yourselves just yet.






how do you come to two attacks in 13 years?

there's been 3 on australia targets alone since 2002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Jakarta_embassy_bombing

"This was the third recent major attack involving Australians or Australian targets in Indonesia, after the 2002 Bali terrorist bombing, and the 2003 J.W. Marriott Hotel bombing. The executors of that attack, Jemaah Islamiyah, were also head suspects for this bombing."

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5881061 - 07/20/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You listed two attacks on America since 1993.

The executors of that attack, Jemaah Islamiyah

Were these the same people who attacked america? Or is it a case of anyone who lets off a bomb with a muslim sounding name anywhere in the world is a threat to you over in America? That's pretty paranoid.


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    #5881077 - 07/20/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

youre not a very good reader

its about attacks on australia and you can't really miss that

anthe muslims that did them admitted it ie publicly took responsibilty for them so it's pretty hard to blame anyone else dont you think

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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5881252 - 07/20/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I said there had been one attack on America in the last 5 years. You said "What about the 93 WTC bombing". That makes two attacks in 13 years. Am I wrong? How many attacks do you think there have been on american soil in the last 13 years?

If you want to talk about attacks in Australia lets talk about them. As far as I'm aware there havn't been any. Bali isn't in Australia.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5881266 - 07/20/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:
so if we blew up an indonesian embassy or hotel in australia,that wouldnt be an attack on indonesia?
i'm finding it very hard not to flame you alex
maybe you should think about the 'baiting' rule before you go on a little vacation
google australia and you can learn all about it and we'll leave it at that ok cobber:D


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
    #5881272 - 07/20/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i'm finding it very hard not to flame you alex


Then relax, kick off your shoes and let me clue you in on what a real threat is. Read up on the IRA. Dozens of attacks on UK streets year after year. THAT'S a terrorist threat. Not blowing up an embassy once every 10 years. If you're australian and terrified of terrorism I'm sorry but you don't even know you're born.

Incidentally even with bomb attacks on the UK year in year out for decades there were very few brits who gave a rats-ass about the risk of being blown up. Perhaps we're made of sterner stuff  :laugh:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5881284 - 07/20/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This is one time when I will agree with Alex. People in almost all western countries have no reason to fear terrorism. You are much more likely to die from homicide, car crash, etc. With that said, it doesn't excuse the terrorist acts in any way. If the argument is whether or not we should fear them however, I would say, not.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5881295 - 07/20/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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People in almost all western countries have no reason to fear terrorism.




Except the ones who are the victims of the terrorist's actions, of course. I imagine the ones who survived the attacks in Kenya, New York, Madrid, London, and elsewhere have a a right to fear terrorist actions.

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You are much more likely to die from homicide, car crash, etc.




Leaving aside the fact that a terrorist action which causes death is by definition a homicide, the fact that I'm more likely to die in a car crash than in a mugging doesn't mean I'm foolish to fear being mugged.



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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5881298 - 07/20/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Point taken. I myself have 0% fear of being the victim of terrorism.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5881304 - 07/20/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

But would you spend an absurd amount of money and others' lives to prevent being mugged?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5881340 - 07/20/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No I wouldn't. I believe homeland security is a colossal waste of money, when you have millions of "guest workers" streaming across your southern border.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5881344 - 07/20/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i happen to be a descendant from irish convicts from the first fleets to australia and know all about the 'stern stuff' of old england and the 'cat o nine tails' that were used on the backs of men and women who were literally barefoot and chained and given mattocks and shovels straight off the ships straight from the 'stinking hulls' at botany bay in 'ole sydney town' in the N S wales colony of the commonerswealth of australia
the aboriginals could smell them as they sailed into the harbour.
yes they were stern alright,after displacing the irish from their homelands to make way for the displaced scottish they'd have to be stern alright

shall we even mention the aboriginees that were run off cliff edges and slaughtered or governer philips anger and frustrations at the aboriginees who resisted them,forcing his natural hand to use freed irish convicts as their murderers because they didnt want to call in a naval ship from stern ole england because it would have embarrassed 'ole muvva england' infront of the french and spanish

"bring back pemulwuy and any six bidjigal or their heads"~governer philip

i don't hear the UN outcry over irish children walking to school with english soldiers pointing 'thunder sticks' at them as we speak either
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5881812 - 07/20/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is that a yes or a no?





Hell no I don't believe iran is a threat to a damn thing. And if you think they are you are buying into the fear box. I fear the people who are locking up my countrymen for victimless crimes, I fear the way they are then turning around and punishing these people for life with background checks barring persons with drug crime from gainful employment. Some little sand dune in iran is only concerned with it's own region, if you think they have eyes on global power you are delusional.

The real threat is isreal, clearly they can invade other countries all they want but if an arab does it it's suddenly wrong. News flash: invading other countries is wrong period. Fuck isreal, they are going to drag the rest of the world down with them and ignorant pieces of shit in america are going to cheer the whole way to the bottom. I think it's time for the US to invade isreal and "liberate" them from their militant govt for the "stability" of the world.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5881827 - 07/20/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
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Is that a yes or a no?





Hell no I don't believe iran is a threat to a damn thing. And if you think they are you are buying into the fear box. I fear the people who are locking up my countrymen for victimless crimes, I fear the way they are then turning around and punishing these people for life with background checks barring persons with drug crime from gainful employment. Some little sand dune in iran is only concerned with it's own region, if you think they have eyes on global power you are delusional.

The real threat is isreal, clearly they can invade other countries all they want but if an arab does it it's suddenly wrong. News flash: invading other countries is wrong period. Fuck isreal, they are going to drag the rest of the world down with them and ignorant pieces of shit in america are going to cheer the whole way to the bottom. I think it's time for the US to invade isreal and "liberate" them from their militant govt for the "stability" of the world.



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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5881882 - 07/20/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
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Is that a yes or a no?





Hell no I don't believe iran is a threat to a damn thing. And if you think they are you are buying into the fear box. I fear the people who are locking up my countrymen for victimless crimes, I fear the way they are then turning around and punishing these people for life with background checks barring persons with drug crime from gainful employment. Some little sand dune in iran is only concerned with it's own region, if you think they have eyes on global power you are delusional.

The real threat is isreal, clearly they can invade other countries all they want but if an arab does it it's suddenly wrong. News flash: invading other countries is wrong period. Fuck isreal, they are going to drag the rest of the world down with them and ignorant pieces of shit in america are going to cheer the whole way to the bottom. I think it's time for the US to invade isreal and "liberate" them from their militant govt for the "stability" of the world.




The stability of the world was threatened with the creation of Islam and its drive to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam.

And Israel is fighting for its life because the Israelis know they will be exterminated if they lose.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
    #5881899 - 07/20/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also a good point. Israel should get a piece of land somewhere else.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
    #5882600 - 07/20/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The stability of the world was threatened with the creation of Islam and its drive to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam.




The creation of islam? You honestly believe the stability of the world was threatened way back then when europe was in dark ages? And islam has a drive to conquer the world? What are they going to do it with? Camels? You need a reality check, the only thing trying to conquer the earth is the US multi-nationalists. I have yet to see islam conquer one thing in my lifetime, they can't even unite together long enough to even form a peaceful society in many cases, let alone unit a world.

That's about as likely to happen as jesus coming back and raising an army of zombies  :lol:

edit: unless you were being sarcastic then I may have read that wrong, people seem to have a habit of being sarcastic here and tossing in a smiley  :tongue2:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5882639 - 07/20/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If he's talking about history, it is true than the early Islamic empire conquered a shitload of land.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5882673 - 07/20/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
Also a good point. Israel should get a piece of land somewhere else.




Jews have lived there before the Muslims got there.

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RosettaStoned said:
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The stability of the world was threatened with the creation of Islam and its drive to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam.




The creation of islam? You honestly believe the stability of the world was threatened way back then when europe was in dark ages? And islam has a drive to conquer the world? What are they going to do it with? Camels? You need a reality check, the only thing trying to conquer the earth is the US multi-nationalists. I have yet to see islam conquer one thing in my lifetime, they can't even unite together long enough to even form a peaceful society in many cases, let alone unit a world.

That's about as likely to happen as jesus coming back and raising an army of zombies  :lol:

edit: unless you were being sarcastic then I may have read that wrong, people seem to have a habit of being sarcastic here and tossing in a smiley  :tongue2:




Are you telling me that you don't know the history of Islam?

How the fuck do you not know that Muslim armies swept through the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe??!?!?! Camels?  Why the hell did you even mention camels? They were perfect for desert warfare and then the Muslim armies got horses which were much faster. I mean come on, this is common sense: The ancient Muslim armies were extremely powerful and successful in taking over a large section of the Earth in little time. Their whole purpose was to convert everyone else to Islam. Do you actually think most of the Middle East and North Africa was always Muslim? Those areas were conquered and converted.

Most Muslims do believe that one day all people will be converted to Islam even though it might take now longer because the Islamic Empires have collapsed. I honesly like Islam better than Christianity but if I am ever converted I will follow the main Pillars of Islam.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5882678 - 07/20/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes but it was hardly a threat to stability. It in fact created the most advanced society on the planet when it occurred. Europe was busy burning witches and the arabs were actually progressing.

Surely it seems a world away, but I think it is impossible to call the original spread of islam a threat to stability when we know in it's wake produced a great many things. Obviously everything went south at some point but hundreds of years later new people inherent things and things change, just look at the US.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5882703 - 07/20/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
Yes but it was hardly a threat to stability. It in fact created the most advanced society on the planet when it occurred. Europe was busy burning witches and the arabs were actually progressing.

Surely it seems a world away, but I think it is impossible to call the original spread of islam a threat to stability when we know in it's wake produced a great many things. Obviously everything went south at some point but hundreds of years later new people inherent things and things change, just look at the US.




Islam can still come together and finish the job. The whole culture is based on bedoins who killed eachother all year and then came together when they faced a common enemy. The original tribes that conquered Mecca hated eachothers guts but them Muhammad united them against a common enemy, the pagans in Mecca.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
    #5882720 - 07/20/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Jews have lived there before the Muslims got there.





This line stinks. If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified. What if some native american indians decided they wanted to take back arizona? I mean we should give them their own country right? I mean it was there's first? Do you see how that train of thought is flawed? You can't have claim to any land if you haven't lived there in hundreds of years, it don't work like that.

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Are you telling me that you don't know the history of Islam?

How the fuck do you not know that Muslim armies swept through the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe??!?!?! Camels? Why the hell did you even mention camels? They were perfect for desert warfare and then the Muslim armies got horses which were much faster. I mean come on, this is common sense: The ancient Muslim armies were extremely powerful and successful in taking over a large section of the Earth in little time. Their whole purpose was to convert everyone else to Islam. Do you actually think most of the Middle East and North Africa was always Muslim? Those areas were conquered and converted.




I was talking about NOW. How in the hell are they going to conquer the world NOW? Are they going to run brigades of camels against our tanks? I'm just terrified...

I am fully aware of islam's history, and the immediate society that followed in the wake of it brought more stability to that part of the world than any other part of the earth was experiencing at the time. Do you not know what state europe was in when islam became an empire?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5882746 - 07/20/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
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Jews have lived there before the Muslims got there.





This line stinks. If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified. What if some native american indians decided they wanted to take back arizona? I mean we should give them their own country right? I mean it was there's first? Do you see how that train of thought is flawed? You can't have claim to any land if you haven't lived there in hundreds of years, it don't work like that.

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Are you telling me that you don't know the history of Islam?

How the fuck do you not know that Muslim armies swept through the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe??!?!?! Camels? Why the hell did you even mention camels? They were perfect for desert warfare and then the Muslim armies got horses which were much faster. I mean come on, this is common sense: The ancient Muslim armies were extremely powerful and successful in taking over a large section of the Earth in little time. Their whole purpose was to convert everyone else to Islam. Do you actually think most of the Middle East and North Africa was always Muslim? Those areas were conquered and converted.




I was talking about NOW. How in the hell are they going to conquer the world NOW? Are they going to run brigades of camels against our tanks? I'm just terrified...

I am fully aware of islam's history, and the immediate society that followed in the wake of it brought more stability to that part of the world than any other part of the earth was experiencing at the time. Do you not know what state europe was in when islam became an empire?




Native Americans can try and take over..... They won't win, LOL. So now Israelis are taking over and they are winning, tough shit.

Europe was still somewhat powerful during the age of Islamic Empires. They managed to capture Jerusalem a few times but still lost it to the Muslims.

And I don't think the Muslims use Camels to charge into battles anymore... When the time comes they will unify and prolly create another Empire.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5882760 - 07/20/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified.




There was never a time since the creation of Judaism when Jews weren't living in Palestine. It is true that a whole hell of a lot MORE of them moved there after WWII, but to say there were no Jews living there in 1948 is to exhibit ignorance of history of the most profound order. The Shephardic Jews never left the area.

What is true is that after the formation of Israel in 1948, the Jews were kicked out of almost all surrounding Arab countries. I guess the Arab take on the matter was that since the Jews now had their own country, they could all damn well live in it and nowhere else.




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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5882768 - 07/20/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Phred said:
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If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified.




There was never a time since the creation of Judaism when Jews weren't living in Palestine. It is true that a whole hell of a lot MORE of them moved there after WWII, but to say there were no Jews living there in 1948 is to exhibit ignorance of history of the most profound order. The Shephardic Jews never left the area.

What is true is that after the formation of Israel in 1948, the Jews were kicked out of almost all surrounding Arab countries. I guess the Arab take on the matter was that since the Jews now had their own country, they could all damn well live in it and nowhere else.




Phred




Yep, there were actually a lot of Jews living in Iraq but they had to get out of that shithole ASAP.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5882784 - 07/20/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Hell no I don't believe iran is a threat to a damn thing.





So you can't see Iran or Syria or Hamas sending operatives to the US to pull off some kind of terrorist attack. Never happen. That's the kind of thing only stateless actors such as Osama bin Laden and his Merry Pranksters do.

What a charming yet naive take on things. Must be nice to be so trusting.

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I fear the people who are locking up my countrymen for victimless crimes, I fear the way they are then turning around and punishing these people for life with background checks barring persons with drug crime from gainful employment.




Ah. It is only Islamist governments you trust, then. Secular democracies don't get a pass. As a side note, would you rather be caught with drugs in the US or in Iran?





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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5883399 - 07/21/06 12:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So you can't see Iran or Syria or Hamas sending operatives to the US to pull off some kind of terrorist attack. What a charming yet naive take on things. Must be nice to be so trusting.

Have you been watching "Our Man Flint"?

They might do. You don't need to look to Iran for fearful fantasies tho. White supremacists might have "operatives" already in the US ready to pull off some kind of terrorist attack. A US religious group might have operatives ready to pull off some kind of terrorist attack. You can dream up all the scenarios you want. They all might happen.

Except the ones who are the victims of the terrorist's actions, of course. I imagine the ones who survived the attacks in Kenya, New York, Madrid, London, and elsewhere have a a right to fear terrorist actions.


They may have a right to fear it but they'd be very deluded in doing so. There's been one Islamic terrorist attack in the UK in which 52 people died. There are 60 million people in the UK. The chance of someone being involved in the first bombing were remote. The chance of the same person being caught in another bombing are incredibly remote.

Once you've been struck by lightning you may "have a right to fear" being struck by lightning again. However as RosettaStoned made clear that doesn't mean we all need to sit panicking in fear of lightning.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5883417 - 07/21/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hamas and hezbollah have been terrorizing israel for year, israel has the right to defend itself. What if mexico just started sending rockets into texas?

also...the lebanese government, in a pact with israel, promised to take care of hamas and hezbollah.

the UN and NATO are both irrelevant nowadays and israel didnt want to fuck around any longer.


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    #5883426 - 07/21/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What if mexico just started sending rockets into texas?


That's a good point. What if a terrorist group in Mexico did? Would the US launch bombing raids on Mexico city?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5883428 - 07/21/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What if mexico just started sending rockets into texas?


That's a good point. What if a terrorist group in Mexico did? Would the US launch bombing raids on Mexico city?




What if that group was recognized by the Mexican government, subsequently allowed to exist and even had a footing in the Mexican parliament?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5883433 - 07/21/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What if mexico just started sending rockets into texas?


That's a good point. What if a terrorist group in Mexico did? Would the US launch bombing raids on Mexico city?




What if that group was recognized by the Mexican government, subsequently allowed to exist and even had a footing in the Mexican parliament?




So what if they were? Would you launch bombing raids on Mexico City?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5883645 - 07/21/06 04:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> So what if they were? Would you launch bombing raids on Mexico City?

I love how we make up situations that would never happen, and then argue about the meaning of what we would do in these fictional settings as if they were relevant.

Why not worry about what is really happening... ?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Seuss]
    #5883650 - 07/21/06 04:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Heres a semi non-fictional scenario for you then.

Who would have supported the UK if we had chosen to bomb Dublin into the ground in response to IRA attacks on the UK mainland?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: GazzBut]
    #5883786 - 07/21/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Nice to see you back Gazz  :smile:

Who would have supported the UK if we had chosen to bomb Dublin into the ground in response to IRA attacks on the UK mainland?

I think that would depend on how many times they have seen "The Quiet man"...

All the yanks ever did was give the IRA more money. God knows what they would have done if we'd demolished Dublin.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5883925 - 07/21/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Couldnt stay away for ever Alex!

I get the feeling that if the Lebanese made a smashing drink like guiness, were always up for the crack and made up a massive part of US immigrant heritage then our cousins across the pond would all be condemning Israel right now and demanding that the government intervene immediately.

Its funny how tribal loyalties have an effect on ones moral compass!


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5883940 - 07/21/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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All the yanks ever did was give the IRA more money.



If by "yanks" you mean Irish Americans, then yes. As far as I know, our government was against the IRA, as were most Americans who were not of Irish descent.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5884874 - 07/21/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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but to say there were no Jews living there in 1948 is to exhibit ignorance of history of the most profound order. The Shephardic Jews never left the area.





Care to back that up with numbers comparing population in the area prior to ww2?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5884895 - 07/21/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Ah. It is only Islamist governments you trust, then. Secular democracies don't get a pass. As a side note, would you rather be caught with drugs in the US or in Iran?




Who the hell do you think pushes the drug laws in other countries anyway? You act like these countries form their drug policy all by themselves. Then you make statements like I only trust islamic govts? You are delusional man. I would not want to live under islam under any circumstances and there is not a snowball chance in hell of that ever happening except in your fear-driven impossible worst case scenarios that give your mind an excuse to justify cold blooded murder.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5884937 - 07/21/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What, from a census? Note I never claimed that the Jews have always been a MAJORITY in the Holy Land, just that Jews have lived there since the dawn of Judaism.

Here's just one of countless timelines you can easily find on the internet -- http://www.mideastweb.org/timeline.htm

Some points of interest --

AD 133-135: Second Jewish revolt under Bar Kochba crushed. Judea renamed Palestina. Jews are banned from Jerusalem by Hadrianus Caesar.

AD 969: Fatimid conquest. Churches and synagogues of Jerusalem destroyed.

AD 1099: Crusaders conquer Jerusalem, slaughter most Jewish and Moslem inhabitants, expel Jews.

AD 1799 : Napoleon conquers Jaffa but retreats before Acco (Acre); 1799 - Napoleon's Proclamation of a Jewish State was stillborn, and his declaration of equal rights for Jews was repealed in part in 1806

AD 1840: Blood libel (accusation that Jews kill Christian children to use their blood for Passover Matzoth) against Damascus Jewry

AD 1844: First census in Jerusalem shows 7120 Jews, 5760 Muslims, 3390 Christians.

AD 1878 : First Zionist Settlement - Petah Tikwa.

AD 1908: First Arabic newspaper in Haifa, al-Karmil, popularizes opposition to selling land to Zionists.

AD 1909: Foundation of Tel Aviv by Zionists (Called Ahuzat Bayit) near Jaffa; foundation of first Kibbutz - Degania.

Nov 2, 1917: British issued the Balfour Declaration, viewed by Jews and Arabs as promising a “National Home” for the Jews in Palestine.

Etc. etc. You can find plenty more by Googling something like timeline Jews Holy Land or history Jews Palestine.

Many people erroneously believe all the Jews left the Holy Land at some point, probably because these people take the definition of "the diaspora" too literally. Many Jews DID leave the Holy Land over the millennia -- that's why there were Jews in Europe, after all -- but certainly at no point in history did ALL Jews evacuate the Holy Land.

Note the census figures for Jerusalem in 1844: more Jews than either Muslims or Christians. The same had almost certainly been true for centuries before that census as well, it's just that there hadn't been a census taken to prove it since Roman times.



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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5884988 - 07/21/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Who the hell do you think pushes the drug laws in other countries anyway? You act like these countries form their drug policy all by themselves.




LOL! You think Iran -- Iran, fa cryin' out loud! -- follows the lead of The Great Satan as a model for its legislation? Dude, sit back and THINK for a couple of minutes, okay?




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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
    #5886333 - 07/22/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Who the hell do you think pushes the drug laws in other countries anyway? You act like these countries form their drug policy all by themselves.




LOL! You think Iran -- Iran, fa cryin' out loud! -- follows the lead of The Great Satan as a model for its legislation? Dude, sit back and THINK for a couple of minutes, okay?

Phred




Actually, Rosettatstoned is right. The US is the driving force behind the UN on drugs and guess who'se setting drug targets for the Iranians?

The UNODC has been working with Iran for approximately one decade and has had an office in Tehran since the late-1990s. According to its "Strategic Program Framework" for 2005-07, its objectives are to assist Tehran in reducing narcotics trafficking, contribute to prevention, treatment, and rehabilitation in connection with drug abuse and HIV/AIDS, and to promote the rule of law. UNODC has established quantifiable indicators for measuring the success of its efforts. Roberto Arbitrio, head of the UNODC office in Tehran, told the September Paris Pact meeting that the strategy for Iran was developed in collaboration with the Mini-Dublin Group and with Iranian authorities.

Incidentally why single out Iran? Why not Singapore? Between 1994 and 1999, an average of 13.57 executions were carried out per one million of the population, three times higher than the next country on the list, Saudi Arabia, mostly for drug trafficking, giving the wealthy city-state of four million people possibly the highest execution rate in the world relative to its population, Amnesty said.

Singapore's drug laws are among the world's harshest. Anyone aged 18 or over convicted of carrying more than 15 grams of heroin faces mandatory execution by hanging.


This is harsher than Iran where you need to be caught with 30 grams of heroin before you could face execution - not mandatory execution.

There are also sane voices in Iran on drugs: Ayatollah Hassan Marashi, who previously served on the High Council for Judicial Development and in the judiciary, said many people who become drug dealers do so out of economic necessity, "Aftab-i Yazd" reported on January 28. Arresting and imprisoning such people is counterproductive because their families only sink deeper into poverty and sometimes turn to prostitution. "Punishment does not correct people's behavior," he said. "We pay no attention to the causes and we merely pursue the effects."

You'd be hard pressed finding anyone as sane as the Ayatollah involved in US drug prohibition.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/04/57a99e99-df57-4066-90aa-8a89460a0314.html



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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5886411 - 07/22/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This is where Phred get's quiet.  :lol:


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5887246 - 07/22/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have a feeling the UN does not promote execution for drug crimes.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5887467 - 07/22/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think the UN (driven by the US) would rather see execution for drug crimes than people being free to smoke pot and other illegal drugs.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5887557 - 07/22/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think that you don't have any proof that the UN promotes execution for using drugs.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5887560 - 07/22/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think that you don't have any proof that the UN promotes execution for using drugs.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5889464 - 07/23/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think that you don't have any proof that the UN promotes execution for using drugs.




Where did I say they promote execution?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5889614 - 07/23/06 02:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I have a feeling the UN does not promote execution for drug crimes.




Maybe not. But they sure as hell arn't campaigning for leniency. And staying silent on the matter is as good as agreeing with it.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5889666 - 07/23/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I have a feeling the UN does not promote execution for drug crimes.




Maybe not. But they sure as hell arn't campaigning for leniency. And staying silent on the matter is as good as agreeing with it.




Since USA is one of the biggest sources of funds why would they disgree with the United States drug policy?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
    #5889668 - 07/23/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In what way are they disagreeing with USA drug policy?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5889750 - 07/23/06 04:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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In what way are they disagreeing with USA drug policy?




That's the point, they're not.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
    #5889759 - 07/23/06 04:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What were we talking about again?


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Basilides]
    #5892244 - 07/23/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So anyways ... World on the brink of war?

This is the stuff that scares me:

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ISRAEL'S massing of ground forces and Washington's decision to rush precision-guided bombs to the Israeli Air Force signal a new phase in the war.

In a further escalation, Syria said yesterday it would enter the conflict if Israeli ground troops approached its border.

"If Israel invades Lebanon over ground and comes near to us, Syria will not sit tight. She will join the conflict," the Syrian Information Minister, Mohsen Bilal, told the Spanish newspaper ABC. Mr Bilal denied Syria was bankrolling Hezbollah, but said the group had its moral support and sympathy.





I know when this began, people said that when they started mobilizing ground troops, then its time to start worrying.

Id like to see where everyone stands now in predictions of future events.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: tak]
    #5892950 - 07/24/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest I think war is the least of the worlds problems. The oil running will result in mass starvation in the USA and the collapse of the current "Free market for the rich" system. Then global warming will pile disaster on top of that. The next 100 years will be the hardest mankind has ever faced.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
    #5893162 - 07/24/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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To be honest I think war is the least of the worlds problems. The oil running will result in mass starvation in the USA and the collapse of the current "Free market for the rich" system. Then global warming will pile disaster on top of that. The next 100 years will be the hardest mankind has ever faced.




Considering that we used to be prey for other animals, managed to survive the Ice Age, disease, etc. Won't be that bad, just a new start after the chaos and destruction.


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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
    #5893318 - 07/24/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Take it easy there guys, your on the verge of causing the right wingers to hand out tin foil hats  :lol:


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