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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: quiver]
#5881272 - 07/20/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i'm finding it very hard not to flame you alex
Then relax, kick off your shoes and let me clue you in on what a real threat is. Read up on the IRA. Dozens of attacks on UK streets year after year. THAT'S a terrorist threat. Not blowing up an embassy once every 10 years. If you're australian and terrified of terrorism I'm sorry but you don't even know you're born.
Incidentally even with bomb attacks on the UK year in year out for decades there were very few brits who gave a rats-ass about the risk of being blown up. Perhaps we're made of sterner stuff
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5881284 - 07/20/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is one time when I will agree with Alex. People in almost all western countries have no reason to fear terrorism. You are much more likely to die from homicide, car crash, etc. With that said, it doesn't excuse the terrorist acts in any way. If the argument is whether or not we should fear them however, I would say, not.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5881295 - 07/20/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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People in almost all western countries have no reason to fear terrorism.
Except the ones who are the victims of the terrorist's actions, of course. I imagine the ones who survived the attacks in Kenya, New York, Madrid, London, and elsewhere have a a right to fear terrorist actions.
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You are much more likely to die from homicide, car crash, etc.
Leaving aside the fact that a terrorist action which causes death is by definition a homicide, the fact that I'm more likely to die in a car crash than in a mugging doesn't mean I'm foolish to fear being mugged.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
#5881298 - 07/20/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Point taken. I myself have 0% fear of being the victim of terrorism.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5881304 - 07/20/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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But would you spend an absurd amount of money and others' lives to prevent being mugged?
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
#5881340 - 07/20/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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No I wouldn't. I believe homeland security is a colossal waste of money, when you have millions of "guest workers" streaming across your southern border.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Alex213]
#5881344 - 07/20/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i happen to be a descendant from irish convicts from the first fleets to australia and know all about the 'stern stuff' of old england and the 'cat o nine tails' that were used on the backs of men and women who were literally barefoot and chained and given mattocks and shovels straight off the ships straight from the 'stinking hulls' at botany bay in 'ole sydney town' in the N S wales colony of the commonerswealth of australia the aboriginals could smell them as they sailed into the harbour. yes they were stern alright,after displacing the irish from their homelands to make way for the displaced scottish they'd have to be stern alright
shall we even mention the aboriginees that were run off cliff edges and slaughtered or governer philips anger and frustrations at the aboriginees who resisted them,forcing his natural hand to use freed irish convicts as their murderers because they didnt want to call in a naval ship from stern ole england because it would have embarrassed 'ole muvva england' infront of the french and spanish
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i don't hear the UN outcry over irish children walking to school with english soldiers pointing 'thunder sticks' at them as we speak either
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
#5881812 - 07/20/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is that a yes or a no?
Hell no I don't believe iran is a threat to a damn thing. And if you think they are you are buying into the fear box. I fear the people who are locking up my countrymen for victimless crimes, I fear the way they are then turning around and punishing these people for life with background checks barring persons with drug crime from gainful employment. Some little sand dune in iran is only concerned with it's own region, if you think they have eyes on global power you are delusional.
The real threat is isreal, clearly they can invade other countries all they want but if an arab does it it's suddenly wrong. News flash: invading other countries is wrong period. Fuck isreal, they are going to drag the rest of the world down with them and ignorant pieces of shit in america are going to cheer the whole way to the bottom. I think it's time for the US to invade isreal and "liberate" them from their militant govt for the "stability" of the world.
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Is that a yes or a no?
Hell no I don't believe iran is a threat to a damn thing. And if you think they are you are buying into the fear box. I fear the people who are locking up my countrymen for victimless crimes, I fear the way they are then turning around and punishing these people for life with background checks barring persons with drug crime from gainful employment. Some little sand dune in iran is only concerned with it's own region, if you think they have eyes on global power you are delusional.
The real threat is isreal, clearly they can invade other countries all they want but if an arab does it it's suddenly wrong. News flash: invading other countries is wrong period. Fuck isreal, they are going to drag the rest of the world down with them and ignorant pieces of shit in america are going to cheer the whole way to the bottom. I think it's time for the US to invade isreal and "liberate" them from their militant govt for the "stability" of the world.
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Is that a yes or a no?
Hell no I don't believe iran is a threat to a damn thing. And if you think they are you are buying into the fear box. I fear the people who are locking up my countrymen for victimless crimes, I fear the way they are then turning around and punishing these people for life with background checks barring persons with drug crime from gainful employment. Some little sand dune in iran is only concerned with it's own region, if you think they have eyes on global power you are delusional.
The real threat is isreal, clearly they can invade other countries all they want but if an arab does it it's suddenly wrong. News flash: invading other countries is wrong period. Fuck isreal, they are going to drag the rest of the world down with them and ignorant pieces of shit in america are going to cheer the whole way to the bottom. I think it's time for the US to invade isreal and "liberate" them from their militant govt for the "stability" of the world.
The stability of the world was threatened with the creation of Islam and its drive to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam.
And Israel is fighting for its life because the Israelis know they will be exterminated if they lose.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
#5881899 - 07/20/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also a good point. Israel should get a piece of land somewhere else.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
#5882600 - 07/20/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The stability of the world was threatened with the creation of Islam and its drive to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam.
The creation of islam? You honestly believe the stability of the world was threatened way back then when europe was in dark ages? And islam has a drive to conquer the world? What are they going to do it with? Camels? You need a reality check, the only thing trying to conquer the earth is the US multi-nationalists. I have yet to see islam conquer one thing in my lifetime, they can't even unite together long enough to even form a peaceful society in many cases, let alone unit a world.
That's about as likely to happen as jesus coming back and raising an army of zombies 
edit: unless you were being sarcastic then I may have read that wrong, people seem to have a habit of being sarcastic here and tossing in a smiley
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If he's talking about history, it is true than the early Islamic empire conquered a shitload of land.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5882673 - 07/20/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Also a good point. Israel should get a piece of land somewhere else.
Jews have lived there before the Muslims got there.
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The stability of the world was threatened with the creation of Islam and its drive to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam.
The creation of islam? You honestly believe the stability of the world was threatened way back then when europe was in dark ages? And islam has a drive to conquer the world? What are they going to do it with? Camels? You need a reality check, the only thing trying to conquer the earth is the US multi-nationalists. I have yet to see islam conquer one thing in my lifetime, they can't even unite together long enough to even form a peaceful society in many cases, let alone unit a world.
That's about as likely to happen as jesus coming back and raising an army of zombies 
edit: unless you were being sarcastic then I may have read that wrong, people seem to have a habit of being sarcastic here and tossing in a smiley
Are you telling me that you don't know the history of Islam?
How the fuck do you not know that Muslim armies swept through the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe??!?!?! Camels? Why the hell did you even mention camels? They were perfect for desert warfare and then the Muslim armies got horses which were much faster. I mean come on, this is common sense: The ancient Muslim armies were extremely powerful and successful in taking over a large section of the Earth in little time. Their whole purpose was to convert everyone else to Islam. Do you actually think most of the Middle East and North Africa was always Muslim? Those areas were conquered and converted.
Most Muslims do believe that one day all people will be converted to Islam even though it might take now longer because the Islamic Empires have collapsed. I honesly like Islam better than Christianity but if I am ever converted I will follow the main Pillars of Islam.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Redstorm]
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Yes but it was hardly a threat to stability. It in fact created the most advanced society on the planet when it occurred. Europe was busy burning witches and the arabs were actually progressing.
Surely it seems a world away, but I think it is impossible to call the original spread of islam a threat to stability when we know in it's wake produced a great many things. Obviously everything went south at some point but hundreds of years later new people inherent things and things change, just look at the US.
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RosettaStoned said: Yes but it was hardly a threat to stability. It in fact created the most advanced society on the planet when it occurred. Europe was busy burning witches and the arabs were actually progressing.
Surely it seems a world away, but I think it is impossible to call the original spread of islam a threat to stability when we know in it's wake produced a great many things. Obviously everything went south at some point but hundreds of years later new people inherent things and things change, just look at the US.
Islam can still come together and finish the job. The whole culture is based on bedoins who killed eachother all year and then came together when they faced a common enemy. The original tribes that conquered Mecca hated eachothers guts but them Muhammad united them against a common enemy, the pagans in Mecca.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: downforpot]
#5882720 - 07/20/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jews have lived there before the Muslims got there.
This line stinks. If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified. What if some native american indians decided they wanted to take back arizona? I mean we should give them their own country right? I mean it was there's first? Do you see how that train of thought is flawed? You can't have claim to any land if you haven't lived there in hundreds of years, it don't work like that.
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Are you telling me that you don't know the history of Islam?
How the fuck do you not know that Muslim armies swept through the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe??!?!?! Camels? Why the hell did you even mention camels? They were perfect for desert warfare and then the Muslim armies got horses which were much faster. I mean come on, this is common sense: The ancient Muslim armies were extremely powerful and successful in taking over a large section of the Earth in little time. Their whole purpose was to convert everyone else to Islam. Do you actually think most of the Middle East and North Africa was always Muslim? Those areas were conquered and converted.
I was talking about NOW. How in the hell are they going to conquer the world NOW? Are they going to run brigades of camels against our tanks? I'm just terrified...
I am fully aware of islam's history, and the immediate society that followed in the wake of it brought more stability to that part of the world than any other part of the earth was experiencing at the time. Do you not know what state europe was in when islam became an empire?
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Jews have lived there before the Muslims got there.
This line stinks. If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified. What if some native american indians decided they wanted to take back arizona? I mean we should give them their own country right? I mean it was there's first? Do you see how that train of thought is flawed? You can't have claim to any land if you haven't lived there in hundreds of years, it don't work like that.
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Are you telling me that you don't know the history of Islam?
How the fuck do you not know that Muslim armies swept through the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe??!?!?! Camels? Why the hell did you even mention camels? They were perfect for desert warfare and then the Muslim armies got horses which were much faster. I mean come on, this is common sense: The ancient Muslim armies were extremely powerful and successful in taking over a large section of the Earth in little time. Their whole purpose was to convert everyone else to Islam. Do you actually think most of the Middle East and North Africa was always Muslim? Those areas were conquered and converted.
I was talking about NOW. How in the hell are they going to conquer the world NOW? Are they going to run brigades of camels against our tanks? I'm just terrified...
I am fully aware of islam's history, and the immediate society that followed in the wake of it brought more stability to that part of the world than any other part of the earth was experiencing at the time. Do you not know what state europe was in when islam became an empire?
Native Americans can try and take over..... They won't win, LOL. So now Israelis are taking over and they are winning, tough shit.
Europe was still somewhat powerful during the age of Islamic Empires. They managed to capture Jerusalem a few times but still lost it to the Muslims.
And I don't think the Muslims use Camels to charge into battles anymore... When the time comes they will unify and prolly create another Empire.
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If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified.
There was never a time since the creation of Judaism when Jews weren't living in Palestine. It is true that a whole hell of a lot MORE of them moved there after WWII, but to say there were no Jews living there in 1948 is to exhibit ignorance of history of the most profound order. The Shephardic Jews never left the area.
What is true is that after the formation of Israel in 1948, the Jews were kicked out of almost all surrounding Arab countries. I guess the Arab take on the matter was that since the Jews now had their own country, they could all damn well live in it and nowhere else.
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Re: World on the brink of War? [Re: Phred]
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If your ancestors lived somewhere hundreds of years ago that does NOT give you a right to it. This is nothing more than an excuse to make what the jews are doing there somehow justified.
There was never a time since the creation of Judaism when Jews weren't living in Palestine. It is true that a whole hell of a lot MORE of them moved there after WWII, but to say there were no Jews living there in 1948 is to exhibit ignorance of history of the most profound order. The Shephardic Jews never left the area.
What is true is that after the formation of Israel in 1948, the Jews were kicked out of almost all surrounding Arab countries. I guess the Arab take on the matter was that since the Jews now had their own country, they could all damn well live in it and nowhere else.
Phred
Yep, there were actually a lot of Jews living in Iraq but they had to get out of that shithole ASAP.
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