|
Iriebuddha
.

Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 85
Loc: .
|
Am I, you?
#5857547 - 07/14/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I've been feeling very connected to everything lately. My friends, my family, people on the street, the cosmos. I feel like everyone and everything around me is an extension of myself, and that I'm an extension of everything else. I feel a profound oneness vibrating threw it all. Could I be you, are you me? I can't really describe the feeling, but I feel comfortable with it.
My more rational mind tries to apply science. At a quantum level, we all are connected directly threw this fabric of reality. At no point can you really say (or at least in my mind) that you're somehow separate from anything in this reality, you're so fundamentally connected, threw the fabric of atoms, fabric of space+time. I like to visualize it like this: I visualize everything in the cosmos as a grid, a grid of atoms, and beneath that a smaller grid of unpredictable matter or energy. We all share this grid, we're all made of the same stuff, we're of the grid therefor the grid itself. Does this make any sense?
Thats just on a physical level, but if we are fundamentally connected, if we're beings of physical material, and we know of quantum's non-locality theory (Is it possible for two particles to be connected non-locally? In other words, when one particle changes, can another particle miles away change simultaneously without any apparent communication between them?), would it be far fetched to say we can directly connect w/ people via consciousness? I wont even go into the metaphysical realm, but just on a physical level doesn't this seem possible?
Bleh, rambling again :>
-------------------- .
Edited by Iriebuddha (07/14/06 10:20 AM)
|
Panoramix
Getafix


Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 634
Loc: Everywhere else
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
|
|
Good ramblings, though.
Yea, you're making excellent sense to me. I've always enjoyed quantum physics (entanglement and such) and chaos theory as it gives a rational, scientific justification for the holistic soft-fluffy oneness that I strive to be aware of all the time. It makes these ideas so nicely expressible and communicable, eh? Much clearer than 'There is only one thing' or other vagueries that, while being closer to what I feel the 'truth' might be, aren't as evident and at times seem counter-intuitive.
"Could I be you, are you me?" Yes, we is.
Edited by Panoramix (07/14/06 12:30 PM)
|
leery11
I Tell You What!

Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 5,998
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
|
As far as the internet goes, every one of us who posts here shares a common subconscoius, because we all read the same or similar threads.
So when you post here, part of your mind eventually goes into someone elses mind, and vice versa.
If you post a ton, a lot of people are connected to you in various ways...... and you connected to them.
As for people on the streets, you are never anywhere that you are not..... so if you carry an openness and natural state of observation with you, you will kind of notice that these people you run into, you only run into them because they are you. This is because you only run into them because you are YOU, and you cannot be anywhere else at any given time....
So it's kind of like, you're at wal-mart, and strangers are there. Well, that's your reality. You are NOT at k-mart, where other types of strangers are....... and that's not your reality, unless you go there next.
So in the grand tapestry of things, your life laid out in plain chronological order so you can understand your habits, you would see that everything you encounter would ultimately be shaped by the repetetive amounts of habits your ego holds that makes you an "individual" and therefore anything you encounter along this path is in direct relatoin to the ego-self, and more or less, then, "is" the ego self, becuase you can't be at Disney Land while you are at Disney World.......
i think the next thing to ponder is the type of connection. mental, emotional..... physical?
Like, let's say you are sooooo angry today and you storm out your door and go for an angry walk. Don't you think then that you would run into different sorts of people than if you left in a state of grace and transcendence? So if we pretend that life is a dream, you might get into a fight becuase when you see a man you are like "he hates me" and of course, since it's YOUR dream, of course he hates you, because you think so and he is you.
But in reality you might see a man and think that..... and you will transfer hate into him, even if he thought you were nice, then you might get in a fight.
So it's kind of like you have some influence over reality and everything you meet in that way, especially humans.
Look at some stranger and fall in love with them pretending they are your love, then talk to them believing this is true. I bet it's a lot more likely to happen than if you think "you're a stranger.... so what do I care?"
Mmmm.
But the linking of minds seems to be so much more pervasive and incomprehensible and amazing than that. Thoughts seem to be illusory, completely NOT REAL...... yet every single person has them.
Hm.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
|
thatiAM
Stranger

Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 1,250
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: leery11]
#5857647 - 07/14/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Not only am I you, but everything is you. Everything is here to show you to yourself so start noticing that and letting it be that way. If someone pisses you off then they are showing you a part of yourself that you are insecure about or afraid of or something. What you see outside is what is going on inside, you are a mirror unto yourself. It is all you. End this dream of separateness. There is only you.
|
leery11
I Tell You What!

Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 5,998
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: thatiAM]
#5857706 - 07/14/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
what do you (me) have to say about, if you find an "individual" and it seems like the separation is being broken, so that the individual is becoming the same person as you, and vice versa.
sort of a mind link kind of thing.
does this necessitate a need to be perpetually closer and closer to this person? The decision is mine, but I made the decision to mesh minds.... do you have any advice for such situations? I feel [and have had validations to confirm] that I am capable of sending thoughts, and she is capable of moving through me, but I am not capable of particularly receiving her thoughts, or perhaps she does not have any (or many).
i'm tired of the impersonality actually.... I feel this with a lot of people, but I have not followed it through to "unison" ... and the only way that I can think of unison making sense is either, taking psychedelics together, or having sex. and obviously it is not appropriate to have sex with just anyone.
but i have clearly noticed intermingling of traits between those I encounter.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
|
thatiAM
Stranger

Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 1,250
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: leery11]
#5857754 - 07/14/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
If you feel a need to be closer to this person, then that is probably trying to tell you something. Is it that you have an adversion or dislike for the person or their personality and it makes you uncomfortable about communicating with her in this way? If it is with someone and it is telling you something about anything that you can use to learn then that is really special and awesome.
If you are uncomfortable about it then that is obviously telling you something about yourself, too. Why did you choose to make that decision, why is it a part of your life? What are you trying to tell yourself?
If you are tired that the normal human communication without a "mind mesh" is impersonal, then don't acknowledge that it is impersonal. If you feel like you need to connect with someone on a deeper level that isn't catered to by normal society then you should feel okay to do it. It's just allowing yourself to have and use that and know that it's ok. It's important to be personal and real with people because we are all here together trying to be happy. So if you need to be personal, be personal. We aren't robots.
So just look and see what you are trying to tell yourself and if it's something you don't need after realizing then maybe it will go away. Maybe it won't. But either way, it won't matter because you are open to learning and receiving whatever it is that it is trying to tell you.
edit: p.s. The implications of this also mean you are communicating to yourself whenever you communicate. So listen to what you are telling other people. Because you are also telling that to yourself.
Edited by thatiAM (07/14/06 11:54 AM)
|
Iriebuddha
.

Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 85
Loc: .
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: thatiAM]
#5857887 - 07/14/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
"does this necessitate a need to be perpetually closer and closer to this person? The decision is mine, but I made the decision to mesh minds.... do you have any advice for such situations? I feel [and have had validations to confirm] that I am capable of sending thoughts, and she is capable of moving through me, but I am not capable of particularly receiving her thoughts, or perhaps she does not have any (or many).
I'm tired of the impersonality actually.... I feel this with a lot of people, but I have not followed it through to "unison" ... and the only way that I can think of unison making sense is either, taking psychedelics together, or having sex. and obviously it is not appropriate to have sex with just anyone."
I think this communication is possible for you without sex, psychedelics, or closeness.
I had been in the same boat. Since I've had profound moments of connectivity, and unexplainable phenomenon like telepathy happen on Psychedelics, I thought the only way to achieve this state was to have my wife trip with me. This wasn't possible due to her Bipolar Disorder. But I found we communicated like this daily, but that I hadn't noticed.
I eventually found, and this I think is the key,.. TUNE IN to that psychedelic place, take yourself back there, be in that place, and just be silent, quiet your mind the best you can, you will communicate with her, or anyone for that matter. Don't let your ego control it. Turn on, Tune in, Drop out. :>
-------------------- .
|
Schwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
|
|
this tread is a real joy...listening to beethoven and he says...
Alle Menschen werden Bruder
|
leery11
I Tell You What!

Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 5,998
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: thatiAM]
#5858163 - 07/14/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
thatiAM said: Is it that you have an adversion or dislike for the person or their personality and it makes you uncomfortable about communicating with her in this way? If it is with someone and it is telling you something about anything that you can use to learn then that is really special and awesome.
well it's about me. I have put myself into the backstage of reality, kind of..... and so it's like... quite complicated I guess.
It's me that is keeping stuff from happening..... my patterns are fixed to having a difficult time opening up and getting to know people, because I've only made like one new friend in the past 4-6 years, and that's because he initiated things with me.
and then we drifted apart because his alcohol/tobacco use was bothering me a lot and we didn't seem on the same page, but now my dreams and intuition are telling me he is kind of in the same boat that I am and we should get back together.....
I am not currently used to approaching people, even those that I know, and trying to get close to them. Rather, want them to get close to me, so that in doing so I know it's okay to open up.
I feel like we are both on the sage page in term of spiritual progression (she much more developed than me, but both of us having similar goals, and therefore her being a good teacher) and so I feel it would benefit if we had a conscious relationship outside of the learning environment, for us to discuss things.
It is more than that, because I feel that she would also help me deal with repressed emotional blockages I have, from having no one to interact with other than myself, the internet, and family members. It is only when I am interacting in tangible physical space that it seems that I am capable of feeling positive emotions instead of neutrality, and I have experienced that there is a block within me that only allows me to feel "filtered emotion" despite there being a huge well of joy and emotional release...... I have dammed it up and will only let it very minutely flow.....
So I feel that I would benefit from knowing her as a friend, a teacher, and a companion, or something of the sorts.
But I am fearful of rejection. It is not so much that she would reject me, because she doesn't... it is more like trying to induce a shift between student/teacher and person/person ..... as it is a strange situation to be in.
I feel like in trying to establish that, something may not click, or not work...... or that we would not fit together properly. And yet given what I have experienced it seems like we would. It seems like it's up to ME to do so that I can learn to move past my obstacles.
But I am completely unsure, timid, and tepid..... just barely sticking my toes into the water.
I know she accepts me as a person and will talk to me about things, but it's like there is quite a wall between us though (aside from the fact that my mental cnotents seem to spill through into her).
One time I was having some hard issues with a bad trip I had and the fear of hell, and she did something to my energy by looking at me that opened up this wall in my sacral plexus, where at the time what I really needed was to cry and break down.....
it's basically dominoes of indiscretion falling all around in cycles in circles
I am afraid to expose my bare, naked (metaphorically) self to other people. Afraid to connect on a full level, like how you used to when you were a little kid and you became best friends almost instantly and shared every single thing, and no thought or idea or action or act of play was "stupid" you both accepted each other and grew in strength, closeness, and peace.
unfortunately I have never had sex or meaningful contact with a female so the gender difference is a huge complexity. I do not wish to mess things up, and I have heard from a friend that she is married.
It seems like, once you have a sex drive, being just friends with a female is a challenging thing.... whereas if you are a little kid it really isn't.
It's so complicated, but it's not good to shut it in and ignore it, either?
I would hope that in such a case she would have the maturity and the insight to understand how to keep me from getting confused and would set clear limits or boundaries between us.
in my imagination she could be a valuable almost boddhisattva [and it seems like THIS is what is happening because of my expectations] like figure for me.... and/or soulmate/companion (not necessarily sexually or anything, maybe great friend? but possibly sexual) but in my mind I can manfiest money and cars and marijuana.... so.... imagination and reality aren't in synch entirely.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (07/14/06 02:06 PM)
|
Schwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: leery11]
#5858332 - 07/14/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
"well it's about me. I have put myself into the backstage of reality, kind of..... and so it's like... quite complicated I guess."
lets see if we can change that statement into something more acceptable///
"well it's about me. I XXXX put myself into the backstage of reality, XXXX XX..... and so XXX XXXX... quite complicated X XXXXX."
and then waht...
"I put myself into the backstage of reality, and it's complicated ."
and why is it "complicated"?
|
Droz
Love of Life


Registered: 10/15/00
Posts: 2,746
Loc: Floorida
Last seen: 8 years, 5 months
|
|
By pointing out that this is only you inside your head, shows you that we are not connected mentally. No telepathic connection whatsoever. You can think as much as you want about being a interconnected entity, but as for mentally we share nothing of the same, it's like you said only on a physical level. Our brains are seperate and always will be unless technology comes out that can connect us to eachother.
Peace, Droz
-------------------- Evolution of Time.
|
Schwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: Droz]
#5858714 - 07/14/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
maybe, but I control the weather
|
leery11
I Tell You What!

Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 5,998
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
|
Quote:
Schwammel said: "well it's about me. I have put myself into the backstage of reality, kind of..... and so it's like... quite complicated I guess."
lets see if we can change that statement into something more acceptable///
"well it's about me. I XXXX put myself into the backstage of reality, XXXX XX..... and so XXX XXXX... quite complicated X XXXXX."
and then waht...
"I put myself into the backstage of reality, and it's complicated ."
and why is it "complicated"?
becuase I don't understand it and don't have much ability to separate fantasy from actuality.....
I have had numerous illustrations that have validated me into thinking there is a mind link..... though.
But how can you really "know"? That's what's complicated.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
|
Schwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: leery11]
#5858916 - 07/14/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
you are just like me...,
and the rest of the world sucks
we aren't here to fuck any old piece of dung
we are here to love...
and good cooking takes time
|
leery11
I Tell You What!

Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 5,998
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
|
it requires... ingredients though.
maybe I should go shopping for them eh? Shouldn't be afraid to look at people and when I think "she's so beautiful I should say hi to her" I should just accept that instead of adding "that would be weird" or things like that.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
|
Iriebuddha
.

Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 85
Loc: .
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: leery11]
#5859429 - 07/14/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
By pointing out that this is only you inside your head, shows you that we are not connected mentally. No telepathic connection whatsoever. You can think as much as you want about being a interconnected entity, but as for mentally we share nothing of the same, it's like you said only on a physical level. Our brains are separate and always will be unless technology comes out that can connect us to each other.
I understand your argument, however, if we are indeed connected via this fabric of reality, all things in this reality are one, and therefor connected, you couldn't separate the brain from that reality. You could separate the "Mind" or "Consciousness" so to speak, kind of... What I'm getting at is this, if particles can be affected/altered from any point in space, neurons could then be affected much like any other piece of matter in this universe. I'm trying to get at a possibility of telepathy in the physical reality, without implying any metaphysical attachments.
I could say that at this very moment, you and I, no matter what the distance are connected. The fabric has no separation, its completely connected, from atom to atom from where I'm sitting, to where you're sitting, across the country. Your brain is also made up of the same atoms, the same fabric. If everything in this universe is the fabric, connected from molecule to molecule, why not be able to read/write/touch/connect with any point, any area, any place, idea, in this universe? If I, being connected with everything in this universe, if the universe is me, and me it, why wouldn't I be able to be able to be aware elsewhere?
I imagine it like this: Close your eyes, now be aware of your left big toe. You are now, in your big toe, your consciousness has moved there. You are moving your awareness, but you've also moved your consciousness. If we are indeed so interconnected, why couldn't this happen on a larger scale?
Just a thought though, I'm not implying that this is how it is, just thinking, lol :>
-------------------- .
Edited by Iriebuddha (07/14/06 07:54 PM)
|
Schwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
|
|
"""Close your eyes, now be aware of your left big toe. You are now, in your big toe, your consciousness has moved there."""
Last time I bought a pair of shoes in walmart the right toe didn't fit and they replaced them,,,
"""Close your eyes, now be aware of your left big toe. You are now, in your big toe, your consciousness has moved there."""
|
Iriebuddha
.

Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 85
Loc: .
|
|
Abnormally large toes, yay!
-------------------- .
|
leery11
I Tell You What!

Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 5,998
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
|
you're a bit confusing me.
you posted this before my last reply and now it is somewhere different....... unless I am being forgetful....
regardless of that though, what you say makes sense except that you seem to be advocating both the non-existence of telepathy and the existence of it....?
"By pointing out that this is only you inside your head, shows you that we are not connected mentally. No telepathic connection whatsoever. You can think as much as you want about being a interconnected entity, but as for mentally we share nothing of the same, it's like you said only on a physical level. Our brains are separate and always will be unless technology comes out that can connect us to each other."
What context do you make this in? Did I point out that it's only me in my head? I have the sensation that sometimes it is other people, equally sharing..... I did however state that the connection with this individual seemed also largely physical, BUT she has responded to my thoughts, verbally, aloud...... "I can see" .... perhaps she is just extending awareness into me, moreso than I into her?
"Close your eyes, now be aware of your left big toe. You are now, in your big toe, your consciousness has moved there. You are moving your awareness, but you've also moved your consciousness. If we are indeed so interconnected, why couldn't this happen on a larger scale?"
is this not how minds can connect? I think generally there is indeed always a separation between most all people, but not inherently so.
furthermore you said this " had been in the same boat. Since I've had profound moments of connectivity, and unexplainable phenomenon like telepathy happen on Psychedelics, I thought the only way to achieve this state was to have my wife trip with me. This wasn't possible due to her Bipolar Disorder. But I found we communicated like this daily, but that I hadn't noticed."
so it sounds like you're saying, no telepathy, just you in your head... and yes telepathy, connectoins can be made?
I mean I can't tell you how many times I will hold onto a thought and use it to generate a response from another person, and how synchronous thinking is.
like being drunk with my friend and thinking "Is she hot" and he says aloud "yeah man she's pretty hot" even though we hadn't talked about it in like 10 minutes.....
OR
whenever I think about him I seem to run into him.
or i think "I want to run into......" and I find her.
not always, no.
and hell it seems to apply to lottery tickets but I'm afraid of the karmic implications..... I've been thinking of making a thread on that one actually (small scale tickets)
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (07/14/06 08:10 PM)
|
Schwammel
Auk

Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: leery11]
#5859579 - 07/14/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
"Close your eyes, now be aware of your left big toe. You are now, in your big toe, your consciousness has moved there. You are moving your awareness, but you've also moved your consciousness. If we are indeed so interconnected, why couldn't this happen on a larger scale?"
it does... very much so
|
Iriebuddha
.

Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 85
Loc: .
|
Re: Am I, you? [Re: leery11]
#5859681 - 07/14/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
"so it sounds like you're saying, no telepathy, just you in your head... and yes telepathy, connections can be made?"
- I have a firm belief that SOMETHING is happening, whether it be an energetic connection that we can't see, working on some kind of backdrop, our reality being the image induced by a movie projector and some kind of "something" or alternate reality being the white screen which the image is projected on. I was just trying to make the connection via the physical realm.
I just found that these moments are pretty common, not only on psychedelics, it seems that the drug merely quiets the mind and ego to let this process flow more freely. I didn't really have a chance to experience this with my ex-wife because she couldn't take the chemicals due to her illness. But I began to notice very weird, unexplainable telepathy like behavior in our day-to-day life. Although I've experienced absolutely amazing moments of connectivity with other partners, friends, etc on the influence of certain chemicals, which resulted with much more profound moments... Where it was literally unexplainable.
I feel as if telepathy is definitely a possibility, I think there are factors which block this process. Ego, Rationality, Mind Chatter, etc. I think from time to time we accidently tap into some kind of universal mind lattice, some kind of cellular chatter, molecular chatter... something.. Hell I don't know :>
-------------------- .
Edited by Iriebuddha (07/14/06 08:54 PM)
|
leery11
I Tell You What!

Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 5,998
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
|
i think so too.
i think we have an ego mind, where everything is filtered out but us.
and i think when we loosen that, our mind, though it may still have stuff in it, is less individual are more based upon being a product of the environment.
like you know you walk around thinking a question and then someone having a conversation with someone else will speak an answer to it, that kind of thing.
according to Anodea Judith this happens in relation to the throat chakra. I think..... been a while.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
|
|