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OfflineGaNjAShRooM
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birdseed cakes
    #585588 - 03/21/02 06:32 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

i have a question-i have these birdseed cakes that have been birthed for almost 3 weeks-no pins-they are very healthy-temps always in 70's-95 % + humidity-why wont they pin?do birdseed cakes usuallky take longer? 3 of them are ecuador-2 of them are haw pes-the 3 ecuador,came from a syringe that i made some brf cakes from as well-they have already pinned and fruited-why wont these fruit? should i cold shock them?
and btw-
i dunked a few cakes last nite-and i already had some pins today-good advvice guys-got a 4th flush from those pesas! thanks-
Lee


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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
    #585733 - 03/21/02 08:56 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

3 weeks!?! id cold shock them and i never recomend coldshocking, not that it dont work, im sure it does. i have never needed to do it. how did you prepare your seed? you used the seed in place of vermiculite right? Roadkill made some cakes like this and he wasent impressed.


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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: pleezr]
    #585767 - 03/21/02 09:25 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

well i did this-

boiled my seed for 45 min-
then added brf,flax,and verm-
pressure cooked for 45 min-
incoulated
they were colonized in 14 days-
i birthed-
we have been having some real weird weather here,and i live in an upstairs apt-so its hard to keep the temp down-it has hit above 80 f-
the cakes are real heavy and dense and have lots of rizomophic growth-ill cold shock tonite
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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
    #585780 - 03/21/02 09:41 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Yeh cold shock them. Drop the temp down at least 10 degrees from the lowest it gets. So if the lowest is 70 F degrees, then make it under 55-60. The only place your gonna get these temps is the fridge. Do it for 12-24 hours or for several consecutive nights(cycles)
Birdseed should not be that much different than pf or rye. Humidity for cakes is very high I'm told. Somewhere near 95-100 rH.
I would case them from now on too. Its not that difficult and it greatly improves pinning and moisture retention.

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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: black_dove]
    #585793 - 03/21/02 09:50 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

did you get the birdseed tek off ralphster? i beleive those types of cakes are best used as spawn for 50/50 manure/verm. i to heard they werent worth a shit for fruiting.search for pan tek on the search here at the shroomery, you should see a thread started b me on ths subject.

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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: Peyotl]
    #585826 - 03/21/02 10:30 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

sounds like hawkes recipe....worth a shit i'd say.

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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
    #585848 - 03/21/02 10:57 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

birdseed cakes are sucky.

I'd case them....or use them for spawn.


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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: Roadkill]
    #585913 - 03/22/02 12:35 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

in cake form seed sucks... thats why its better to case it , it works great cased, just like any other whole grain

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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: Peyotl]
    #585972 - 03/22/02 02:16 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Are you guys serious?? Millet even in cake form kicks other substrates arse!! Trust me - even a pf style millet and brf cake with verm will yield well.


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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #586042 - 03/22/02 04:21 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

well they are cold shocking till 10 am-they also seemed a little dry-is it too late to crumble and case the mother fuckers?i have an eucador casing (from the same syringe)that has blown way past these fukers! and it was done way past them! it started pinning this morning-same recipie-i have never had problems with this recipie before-until i birthed them as cakes-i think the mycellium is having trouble penetratiing the seed for some reason-just my theory-so is it to late to case them?


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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #586053 - 03/22/02 04:30 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

You are absolutely right. When I first found out that people were using bird seed I decided to grind some up and try it myself. I compared yeilds from 24 jars, half long grain brown rice, the other bird seed. Fruiting was virtually identical. This is great considering that bird seed is is less than half the cost of long grain brown rice.


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Re: birdseed cakes [Re: Nighted]
    #586064 - 03/22/02 04:47 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

so is it too late to crumble and case? they are cold shocking now-or should i wait about a week avfter coldshocking and them case? wtf should i do-i have never had this happen when i case the shit-man cakes suck all the way around-motherfukers wont grow right or nothing-lol-


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