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Black slave owners
    #5854904 - 07/13/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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DIXIE'S CENSORED SUBJECT
BLACK SLAVEOWNERS

By Robert M. Grooms

© 1997
(THIS ARTICLE IS COPYRIGHTED AND IS PROVIDED HERE COURTESY OF THE BARNES REVIEW)

In an 1856 letter to his wife Mary Custis Lee, Robert E. Lee called slavery "a moral and political evil." Yet he concluded that black slaves were immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially and physically.

The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.

The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.

The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.

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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Luddite]
    #5854940 - 07/13/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

your sig reminds me of a demon named legion


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Re: Black slave owners [Re: quiver]
    #5855275 - 07/13/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

But for some reason blacks were still considered inferior.


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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Luddite]
    #5855435 - 07/13/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sure, there were compassionate slave-owners too.
That in no way justifies slavery as an institute.

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The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.




Wouldn't you? Its a way to keep those poor people out of the wrong hands.


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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Luddite]
    #5855662 - 07/13/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes the majority of slaveowners owned 1 to 5 slaves and worked along side them, but they were whipped all the same. To say "bullwhips-on-tortured-backs" is just propaganda, is simply not realistic. Ever read Frederick Douglass' narrative?


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    #5855812 - 07/13/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda




No, it was worse. Read along in this newspaper article from 1863:


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HARPER'S WEEKLY
July 11, 1863

"The poor old slave had gone to rest."

Edmund, belonging on the Widow Gillespie's plantation, has been a witness of or knowing to several cases of punishment by the burning process. Two of these were of girls belonging to the Widow G., in New Orleans, and the others occurring on her "island plantation," before referred to. America, wife of Essex, one of the women in the party, related to me the particulars of one case, as follows: There was a middle-aged woman in the family, named Margaret, who had a nursing child. Mrs. Gillespie ordered Margaret to wean the child. The babe was weakly, and Margaret did not wish to do so. Mrs. G. told her that she would examine her breast the next Monday, and, if she found any milk in it, she would punish her severely. Monday came round, and on that day Margaret's stent was to spin eighteen "broaches"—spools—but she did not finish it. At night the promised examination took place, and the breast of Margaret gave but too convincing proof that, in obedience to the yearnings of a mother's heart, she had spurned the threat of the inhuman mistress. Mrs. G. then ordered the handsaw, the leather strap, and a wash-bawl of water. The woman was laid upon her face, her clothes stripped up to around her neck, and "Becky" and "Jane" were called to hold her hands and feet. Mrs. Gillespie then paddled her with the hand-saw, sitting composedly in a chair over her victim. After striking some one hundred blows she changed to the use of the leather strap, which she would dip into the wash-bowl in order to give it greater power of torture. Under this infliction the screams of the woman died away to a faint moan, but the "sound of the whip" continued until nearly 11 o'clock. "Jane" was then ordered to bring the hot tongs, the woman was turned over upon her back, and Mrs. Gillespie attempted to grasp the woman's nipples with the heated implement. The writhings of the mother, however, foiled her purpose; but between the breasts the skin and flesh were horribly burned.

During this terrible infliction "Jeems" came out of his room and remonstrated with his mother for "using the niggers so." He "did not wish them punished in that way." Her answer was, "They won't mind me, and I will do with them as I please." Margaret was a long time in recovering from her wounds. Rose Ann, who was child's nurse, was sent upon one occasion to find and bring home a little boy named Tommy, whom his father had taken down town with him after breakfast. The child had been left at Mrs. Turner's, a "grass-widow," living in Camp Street, below Julia. It was found after a second hunt and brought home. Mrs. G. accused Rose of not trying to find the boy at first. She ordered her hands to be crossed and tied over her head; she was placed upon her back on the floor, her hands secured to the balusters and her feet to the extension table. In this position her person was exposed, the poker heated in the stove, and to make the punishment the more humiliating as well as most acute, the hot instrument was applied to the most tender part of her body. She then gave her fifty lashes and let her loose. This horrible idiosyncracy seemed to be a favorite method of torture with the widow. America, who saw and related these facts to the writer, in the presence of several of her fellow-slaves, suffered a similar punishment on the plantation only a few months since. She is a seamstress, and had by mistake served in two sleeves of Mrs. G.'s daughter's dress the wrong way. For this offense she was laid upon a board upon a ladder, her hands and feet secured, and a leather strap and buckle tightly fastened around her stomach and going under the ladder. Having previously placed the tongs in the fire, she ordered them brought and began pinching and burning her about the thighs, abdomen, and other parts until they were baked and stiff. This species of refined torture seemed to be a favorite one with her. On another occasion "America" says she was whipped with a new "yellow cowhide" until her flesh ceased to feel the blows. Mrs. G. then brought a bottle of "No. 6," and with a small sponge wet the lacerated parts with the fiery liquid, causing the most intense torture she ever experienced. Edmund, Essex, and the rest assert that it was a very common thing to see a slave carried by force to the bedroom or the shed-room of Madame for punishment. She would order him to undress, and with her own hands apply the lash until she became exhausted.

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Sociopaths. People who actively seek out circumstances where they can commit atrocities on others. They really liked the slavery system.


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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Asante]
    #5855832 - 07/13/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, here are your bullwhips:



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Re: Black slave owners [Re: quiver]
    #5857499 - 07/14/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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your sig reminds me of a demon named legion





i'm so offended that he done did change that thar pic
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Re: Black slave owners [Re: quiver]
    #5870360 - 07/17/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Slavery reparations gaining momentum

By ERIN TEXEIRA, AP National Writer
Sun Jul 9, 7:29 PM ET

Advocates who say black Americans should be compensated for slavery and its Jim Crow aftermath are quietly chalking up victories and gaining momentum.


Fueled by the work of scholars and lawyers, their campaign has morphed in recent years from a fringe-group rallying cry into sophisticated, mainstream movement. Most recently, a pair of churches apologized for their part in the slave trade, and one is studying ways to repay black church members.

The overall issue is hardly settled, even among black Americans: Some say that focusing on slavery shouldn't be a top priority or that it doesn't make sense to compensate people generations after a historical wrong.

Yet reparations efforts have led a number of cities and states to approve measures that force businesses to publicize their historical ties to slavery. Several reparations court cases are in progress, and international human rights officials are increasingly spotlighting the issue.

"This matter is growing in significance rather than declining," said Charles Ogletree, a Harvard law professor and a leading reparations activist. "It has more vigor and vitality in the 21st century than it's had in the history of the reparations movement."

The most recent victories for reparations advocates came in June, when the Moravian Church and the Episcopal Church both apologized for owning slaves and promised to battle current racism. The Episcopalians also launched a national, yearslong probe into church slavery links and into whether the church should compensate black members. A white church member, Katrina Browne, also screened a documentary focusing on white culpability at the denomination's national assembly.

The Episcopalians debated slavery and reparations for years before reaching an agreement, said Jayne Oasin, social justice officer for the denomination, who will oversee its work on the issue.

Historically, slavery was an uncomfortable topic for the church. Some Episcopal bishops owned slaves — and the Bible was used to justify the practice, Oasin said.

"Why not (take these steps) 100 years ago?" she said. "Let's talk about the complicity of the Episcopal Church as one of the institutions of this country who, of course, benefited from slavery."

Also in June, a North Carolina commission urged the state government to repay the descendants of victims of a violent 1898 campaign by white supremacists to strip blacks of power in Wilmington, N.C. As many as 60 blacks died, and thousands were driven from the city.

The commission also recommended state-funded programs to support local black businesses and home ownership.

The report came weeks after the Organization of American States requested information from the U.S. government about a 1921 race riot in Tulsa, Okla., in which 1,200 homes were burned and as many as 300 blacks killed. An OAS official said the group might pursue the issue as a violation of international human rights.

The modern reparations movement revived an idea that's been around since emancipation, when black leaders argued that newly freed slaves deserved compensation.

About six years ago, the issue started gaining momentum again. Randall Robinson's "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks," was a best seller; reparations became a central issue at the World Conference on Racism in Durban, South Africa; and California legislators passed the nation's first law forcing insurance companies that do business with the state to disclose their slavery ties. Illinois passed a similar insurance law in 2003, and the next year Iowa legislators began requesting — but not forcing — the same disclosures.

Several cities — including Chicago, Detroit and Oakland — have laws requiring that all businesses make such disclosures.

Reparations opponents insist that no living American should have to pay for a practice that ended more than 140 years ago. Plus, programs such as affirmative action and welfare already have compensated for past injustices, said John H. McWhorter, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute.

"The reparations movement is based on a fallacy that cripples the thinking on race — the fallacy that what ails black America is a cash problem," said McWhorter, who is black. "Giving people money will not solve the problems that we have."

Even so, support is reaching beyond African-Americans and the South.

Katrina Browne, the white Episcopalian filmmaker, is finishing a documentary about her ancestors, the DeWolfs of Bristol, R.I., the biggest slave-trading family in U.S. history. She screened it for Episcopal Church officials at the June convention.

"Traces of the Trade: A Story From the Deep North," details how the economies of the Northeast and the nation as a whole depended on slaves.

"A lot of white people think they know everything there is to know about slavery — we all agree it was wrong and that's enough," Browne said. "But this was the foundation of our country, not some Southern anomaly. We all inherit responsibility."

She says neither whites nor blacks will heal from slavery until formal hearings expose the full history of slavery and its effects — an effort similar to South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission after apartheid collapsed.


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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Luddite]
    #5870375 - 07/17/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My ancestors were fed to lions by the Romans, where are my reparations???


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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Luddite]
    #5870442 - 07/17/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

NO NO NO NO NO!!! WHITE EVIL HONKIES OWNED SLAVES ABOUT A TWO HUNDRED YERAS AGO AND THATS WHY TYRONE AND JEROME BE OUT RAPIN' AND RAPPIN' AND ROBBIN ALL THE TIME!! ITS ALL WHITIES FAULT

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    #5870543 - 07/17/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Pharoes of Egypt were black and owned hundreds of thousands of slaves for almost 2,000 years. Imagine how much the black people owe to the slaves' decendents.

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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Luddite]
    #5870593 - 07/17/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Egyptians, and all northern Africans, aren't "black". Being from the continent of Africa doesn't make you a negro.


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    #5870633 - 07/17/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The Pharoes of Egypt were black and owned hundreds of thousands of slaves for almost 2,000 years. Imagine how much the black people owe to the slaves' decendents.




Egyptians weren't black. Slaves weren't property, they were a class; slavery in the ancient world was completely different than the modern idea.


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Re: Black slave owners [Re: Luddite]
    #5872193 - 07/18/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Jews helped in the final solution too. Doesn't mean the jews were to blame for it. It was just a way of surviving.

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    #5973381 - 08/17/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The Pharoes of Egypt were black and owned hundreds of thousands of slaves for almost 2,000 years. Imagine how much the black people owe to the slaves' decendents.




Egyptians weren't black. Slaves weren't property, they were a class; slavery in the ancient world was completely different than the modern idea.





You obviously haven't been watching Evening Exchange with Kojo Nambi (from Howard University). They said that tests were done on the mummies and it was proved they were black.



Gee-whiz-O-flip-out! Black people are their own worse enemy according to this:

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Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders
In 2004, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.





http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm



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    #5973394 - 08/17/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

94% of black victims were killed by blacks

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

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    #5975509 - 08/18/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You obviously haven't been watching Evening Exchange with Kojo Nambi (from Howard University).




Never heard of Howard University. :smirk:

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  They said that tests were done on the mummies and it was proved they were black.




Okay, now, what kind of tests were these? What identifying factors were detected that allowed them to determine that the mummies were "black"?

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    #5975511 - 08/18/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

By the way, change your avatar, it is very disturbing. :shocked:

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