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Is it ok to kill in self defence?
#5854816 - 07/13/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Something was attacking you and you had a chance to defend yourself…
What are the spiritual implications / complications (if any) arise from this?
It looks like theres a few, even if you had to do it in self defence
Edited by shroomneb1 (07/14/06 10:41 AM)
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5854864 - 07/13/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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when it is very very clear what you must do, you must do it and let the courts decide.
thinking about it in advance is not a good idea - you actually fall into premeditated murder, even couched in a context of self defence.
& preparing for the day that you might be attacked is paranoid. also predicting a time when it is OK to kill is probably a psychopathic obsession.
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: redgreenvines]
#5854895 - 07/13/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I asked what kind of spiritual issues might arise from this
It feels like theres a killer label that can be placed on someone, i want to know how it affects us spiritually
Edited by shroomneb1 (07/14/06 10:06 AM)
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5854959 - 07/13/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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shroomneb1 said: I asked what kind of spiritual issues might arise from this
It feels like label killer has been placed on my soul and it sucks
Whatever you make a habit out of believing determines those labels. I'm trying to slowly confront my own labels and dispose of them.
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: palmersc]
#5855004 - 07/13/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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there not like a label but more like imprint on your consiosness, an imprint imprinted by your actions?
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5855107 - 07/13/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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milarepa a huge great tibetan sage and teacher was a murderer. repentent and transcended. sure it sucks intensify the rest.
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5855412 - 07/13/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I said no, you should stand and let your attacker kill you, would that not be mental?
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: mr_kite]
#5855417 - 07/13/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Overall I guess you're ideally looking to knock him out, demobalise him or disarm him before any sort of killing is considered. But if hes gonna kill you for no reason I say you kill the fucker first.
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: mr_kite]
#5855684 - 07/13/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fight or Flight reflex...Easily Transcends into Kill or be Killed...I personally don't advocate murder. But someone threatening my domain would get a warning. Someone attacking my domain would instantly be locked in a game of death. And the signs that hang on my fence say so!! No moral prob there.
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But someone threatening my domain would get a warning. Someone attacking my domain would instantly be locked in a game of death
I see how the rational works, I gave you the "warning" boy, then you decided you wanted to die, you simply attacked me and I took the liberty to grant you your wish,
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5856697 - 07/14/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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shroomneb1 said: I asked what kind of spiritual issues might arise from this
It feels like label killer has been placed on my soul and it sucks
Please take what I say with a grain of salt, seeing as I know nothing of your spiritual/mental state right now.
There is a very fine line between murder and killing in defense. It is as thin as spiders silk.
Speaking from my own beliefs/convictions I believe that if something is attacking you to the point of your life being in danger and there is no other way to stop it from killing you is to kill "it" first then you did right (Kill or be killed). If you could have subdued this "thing" without killing it but you chose not to then you were in the wrong. The label killer can be placed on many people i.e. Hunters, Fishermen, Soldiers, and even Pest Control. I do not think you should be so hard on yourself. As for everyone else around you they will eventually be ok with it. They may never forget but will eventually be ok.
I feel as though it has not,but hope that is has helped you in some way.
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: redgreenvines]
#5857074 - 07/14/06 05:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: milarepa a huge great tibetan sage and teacher was a murderer. repentent and transcended. sure it sucks intensify the rest.
Tell me more
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5857109 - 07/14/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Milarepa is one of the most widely known Tibetan Saints. In a superhuman effort, he rose above the miseries of his younger life and with the help of his Guru, Marpa the Translator, took to a solitary life of meditation until he had achieved the pinnacle of the enlightened state, never to be born again into the Samsara (whirlpool of life and death) of worldly existence."
Tibetan religion is full of poo. Western religion is flawed, eatsern religion is simply different but its flawed too. Their teachings are guesses and assumptions at best.
When i was in Tibet, i saw a poster on the wall in the Inn. There, a girl was pictured, a robber stole something from her. So the girl prayed to her God and sure enough in the next picture couple saints appeared who look just like your Milarepa. They found the robber and took him some place and guess what they did? They took out giant saws, about 5 feet long with handles on each side... and they started sawing the guy...
My point is what that saint might have done in his own time might have been appropriate there and then, but that was age of peices, we are in Aquarius
You have to take their teachings as a bed time story rather than as a guide
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5857136 - 07/14/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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there is an element of undecideability in this matter that should remain undecideable. yet there is an immediacy in your conflict and that is the issue: life in the moment. be as good as you can that is where morality/spirituality begins and ends.
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: redgreenvines]
#5857188 - 07/14/06 07:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yet something does happen if you kill in self defence... somekind of spiritual disturbance
Edited by shroomneb1 (07/14/06 10:50 AM)
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: shroomneb1]
#5857247 - 07/14/06 07:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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some regard self abnegation as the epitomy of spiritual experience some regard healing and assistance as the true spiritual work
some prefer to emerge from the dark while some prefer to withdraw into the dark
whether it is dreams or psychological complex or rubberstamped spiritual - it is all the same. the useful point of view is:
"what do you do now to make things better?"
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Re: Is it ok to kill in self defence? [Re: soulcircus]
#5857883 - 07/14/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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going hiking in the woods and its loaded with grizzly bears...taking children and don't know if i should bring a gun after reading some of the above! maybe i should just leave the gun at home and take a bible?
what do you think???
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