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    #5854703 - 07/13/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

so I am reading this book thats talking about the cell response in a plant. in this book "Intelligence in Natrue", Jeremy Narby talks of injecting these two tobacco plants with genes that make it respond with calcium to any attacks. After touching the leaf it lit up under the lights with calcium molecules, just as instantly as he had touched it. meaning plants operate inside just as quick in time as we do. saying that the connections plants use are similar to that of our own neurons.

another thing he mentioned is touching the plant in general. He said if you were to keep touching any plant repeatedly in different areas (like once every hour) the plant would slow its growth to grow thicker in the touched areas.

do you think this logic and science could be applied to any forms of growing? i.e. squeezing buds to make em the more concentrated part of the part (even though they already are)


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Re: interesting thought, plant psychology applied to growing [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5854740 - 07/13/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There was one mythbusters episode where they were trying to discover if talking to plants had any affect of their growth.

They used peas for the test, some were spoken to nicely, some had abuse shouted at them ( all recorded on tape and played in a loop ).
Some had relaxing music, and some heavy metal, then there was a control set that had no stimuli.

They found there was a big difference in growth/size with the peas that had been 'listening' to the metal, and the same for the one's the had been shouted at aggressively.

It would seem that plants are stimulated by touch/vibrations, the stronger the vibrations the better they grow !

I think these ideas are worth a try.


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Re: interesting thought, plant psychology applied to growing [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5854769 - 07/13/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah I was just thinking about that too. you know that myth busters episode where they try to blow that guy away with the intense vibrating speakers? they could control the speed of the vibration. im sure every plants have their own optimal vibration. what if they put the two experiments together....

yeah now thats what im talkin' about...

anyone have the equipment to test this?

EDIT:
maybe an experiment with just some pulsing techno bass at different speeds on two different plants of the same species.


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Re: interesting thought, plant psychology applied to growing [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5854789 - 07/13/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I had been spraying some of my basils with soap to kill sand aphids, and Some of them got severely burnt by it (i guess the mix was too strong? doh!). I had been spraying them with really fast flowing water from our hose to wash em clean of excess soap, probably every day for a few weeks. The ones i've been doing that to are like 5 times thicker and bushier. ill take pics in a sec.


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Re: interesting thought, plant psychology applied to growing [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5854920 - 07/13/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ok here we go



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^basil i spray hard with water


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Re: interesting thought, plant psychology applied to growing [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5855174 - 07/13/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The mythbuster test was hardly a statistical significant test. It would need much more tries and test runs to come out with a relevant result.

But plants do sense much more than we used to think. I also read an article a while ago about plants communicating with eachother. If one plant was being sressed by something it released airborne chemicals which other plants picked up and responded to.


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Re: interesting thought, plant psychology applied to growing [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5855205 - 07/13/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah in this book he also mentions a plant called dodder which reaches out little vines to wrap around different plants, measuring their nutrient intake from the ground. it will then decide wether to steal nutrients from either plant. it has to attatch to the healthiest plant every time, cause a weaker one would be a waste of energy and cause the dodder to die. it has to make smart decisions in order to live, so therefore plants think.

i havent heard of the airborn chemical thing yet though.


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    #5855245 - 07/13/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: EDIT: check out this comparison!!!!!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5855516 - 07/13/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i dont think plants or at least my plants grow bigger from touching. the leaves touch each other multiple times a second from the fans blowing them. i notice no difference.


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    #5855584 - 07/13/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well sure its not noticeable instantly, plants dont move at the same speeds we do, and their movements aren't clearly visible by our visual perception of time, or at least on most counts. all im saying so far is plants send signals to the rest of their self just as quickly as we do. their genetics are made up of large clumps of proteins that carry out information and are dispersed to repair ailments. im sure the growth isnt very significant, as its probably just a few more layers of thickened cells kinda like callous building.


I would be interested in seeing this study done in person, and have different pests, like aphids and caterpillars attack the leafs, and monitor the plants response chemicaly to the problem.

Since alkaloids are a plants defense mechanism, I wonder if a plant like say belladonna would start concentrating its alkaloids near the area the bug is eating.

Has anyone ever put their pedro under a blacklight and poked it with another cactus's spikes? I've heard mescaline to glow in UV light, I wonder if you could see the mescaline concentrating on the spot maybe soon or over a period of time.

just some thoughts i feel really inspired and motivated to research.


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Re: EDIT: check out this comparison!!!!!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5857198 - 07/14/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think plants do react and adapt to whatever situation their in.

If i was to plant some types of annuals in a windy spot and some somewhere sheltered, the ones in that windy spot would grow thicker and stronger because they have too.
It's not like their thinking, more like their reacting to stress.

As for the mythbusters test, it's fairly well known that talking to plants can help growth. That's partly due to the Co2 we breath out and the vibrations from our voices.
That test was designed to take away the Co2 aspect.
I know it's hardly conclusive but it's very suggestive, i honestly don't find it hard to believe that plants are stimulated by vibrations.

Has anybody tried crushing young stems between your fingers before ?
I forget what they call it now and i can't find it anywhere.

I tried it on one of my weed plants years ago, i didn't test it well enough to be able to tell if it actually helped growth.
I'd imagine it would stunt the plant slightly, but once the stems had healed themselves they became much thicker and stiffer.

Some people swear it works but I'd like to see a little more research into it.


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Re: EDIT: check out this comparison!!!!!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5857477 - 07/14/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

problem is it would probably callous around the area blocking view of the high concentration. that would probably mean that large old very calloused pieces would br the most potent. i do understand older pieces have more magic but how about severly calloused pieces?


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Re: EDIT: check out this comparison!!!!!!! [Re: durban_poison]
    #5857800 - 07/14/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well, i dont think crushing young stems would do anything mikey. and I think your refering to supercropping. you bend a branch over your finger and rub the bent part repeatedly till you condition a permanent bend. enough to bend it not enough to break it. it will then start raising itself back to strength, and create a knot at the bend, adding strong stability. I do this to seedlings that dont catch the drift of the fan or just look sad.
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Re: EDIT: check out this comparison!!!!!!! [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5858037 - 07/14/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's what it's called !

Ive seen pics of upright stems that look like they are on steroids, at least 6 times fatter than they should be.

mine looked more like this only covering more of the stem rather than just having a knot.



If you slightly damage a stem it will heal and be thicker, i don't know if that helps anything growth wise though.


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