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Roadkill
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: splifner180]
#5855748 - 07/13/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is interesting though!~
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inski
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: splifner180]
#5855774 - 07/13/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just wanted to add, the Psilocybe aucklandii is very different to Ps cubensis which I assume you are refering to? The clay in the pic is it's natural habitat and I dont think it fruits of anything else. So I don't have any way of comparing potency of this species grown on different substrates yet  inski.
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fastfred
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: inski]
#5856521 - 07/13/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Splifner, you asked a question about substrate affecting potency and, low and behold, a debate about substrate affecting potency ensued.
That hardly qualifies as "jacking your thread."
I even posted a citation that would answer your question. But NO, that wasn't good enough for you. I'm sorry but there is no information available about "Shultz multi purpose soil conditioner brand expanded clay pellets" and it's effect on mushroom potency.
I even took some of the brain work out of it for you and offered my own considered speculation on what it's effect might be. And BTW that was educated speculation based on Gartz's tryptamine paper, in which he opines that phosphate content may alter psilocybin/psilocin ratios in favor of psilocybin.
And for all that work what do I get? A pat on the back or a thank you? Hell no! I get told to "stop jacking your thread".
I think you know where you can put your "Shultz multi purpose soil conditioner brand expanded clay pellets."
Ha Ha! LOL Just kidding.
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splifner180
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: fastfred]
#5858864 - 07/14/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fastfred writes: "Splifner, you asked a question about substrate affecting potency and, low and behold, a debate about substrate affecting potency ensued."
Actually, no, I didn't ask about substrate affecting potency. I asked about whether clay would leech potency.
Coda mentioned that substrate doesn't dictate potency which, it should be noted, isn't really quite what I was asking but I'm not about to flame him because input is always welcome.
You, on the other hand, decided to be ...well, yourself. Here's your reply to coda:
"Oh, really? So I assume that you're familiar with the work of Leung and Paul, and have thoroughly discredited their research. Funny though, I couldn't find the retraction of their article that Lloydia must have printed when your groundbreaking research discredited them. Do you have a link? The relationship of carbon and nitrogen nutrition of Psilocybe baeocystis to the production of psilocybin and its analogs. Lloydia. 1969 Mar;32(1):66-71. Leung AY, Paul AG."
Where the fuck did this attitude come from? And what is your preoccupation with telling other people they're wrong? Has it ever occurred to you that there's a right way and a wrong way to go about doing it?
I'm not the only person who has taken umbrage with your picking-a-fight tendencies and I'm certain I won't be the last. I'd prefer it if someone with half your knowledge and half your attitude answered my queries.
So I encourage you to not waste any more of your time replying to my threads. Thanks.
splif
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fastfred
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: splifner180]
#5859021 - 07/14/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Actually, no, I didn't ask about substrate affecting potency. I asked about whether clay would leech potency.
Do you actually read what you're writing?
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splifner180
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: fastfred]
#5859101 - 07/14/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am asking about whether clay removes potency from the mushrooms.
You're answering a question that isn't posed; whether your substrate contributes to potency.
To make an analogy, I'm asking about shoplifting techniques and you're replying with the best way to stock the shelves. Yes, they both relate to what sits on the shelf at the end of the day but that doesn't get me any closer to an answer.
What it did do is let you tell someone that they're wrong.
Not to mention the attitude.
splif
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Edited by splifner180 (07/14/06 07:04 PM)
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fastfred
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: splifner180]
#5859283 - 07/14/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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> You're answering a question that isn't posed; whether your substrate contributes to potency.
If you're putting clay in the substrate and then asking if that will affect the potency, then your question IS about substrate affecting potency.
Your analogy isn't a very good one. A better one would be... It's like you asked me about putting something in the substrate and weather that would affect potency, and I'm replying with information about how substrate affects potency.
Wait... That's not really an analogy.
> Not to mention the attitude.
Splifner you need to settle down. Maybe take a few deep breaths and smoke a spliff.
Coda knows I was just jokingly giving him some shit about our disagreement on the substrate potency issue. It isn't the first time we've argued over it.
Try to remember that we're just discussing a hobby here, not the fate of the free world. When someone goes a little overboard it's just people giving each other some shit, nobody's actually riled up over it. I think it's funny when someone gets their panties all in a bundle over it. I was laughing my ass of when I wrote the above posts, not butthurt over a disagreement on substrate potency!
-FF
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splifner180
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: splifner180]
#5859325 - 07/14/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fastfred writes: "Your analogy isn't a very good one. A better one would be..."
My point.
You're now the sole resident of my ignore filter. Which is unfortunate.
splif
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liamtheloser
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: splifner180]
#5859356 - 07/14/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^ ff got totes and utts pwnt.
(and for those of you not hip with my kick-ass imaginary slang, that means 'fast fred got totally and utterly owned')
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monstermitch
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: splifner180]
#5859358 - 07/14/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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fastfred
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> You're now the sole resident of my ignore filter. Which is unfortunate.
For you perhaps. I'm the only one who really gave you an answer and even pointed you toward a couple sources of more information.
But you didn't like my "attitude" or my answer, so you decided to debate the semantics of your initial question. You claimed your question wasn't about what it actually was about.
Then you came up with a foolish analogy that didn't make any sense and when I pointed this out to you you went back and edited your post so that it made slightly more sense.
Then when I suggested you chill and not be so butthurt over nothing. You proved your extreme butthurtness by ignoring me.
You make a good case for the need to have software like "netnanny" around. Anyway, if "getting pwned" means having people ignore you because they don't like the answers you give them, then I guess I misunderstood the meaning of "getting pwned".
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liamtheloser
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: fastfred]
#5859595 - 07/14/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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nah, you didn't actually get pwned, you got ignored!
but who knows, if he maybe ignored you, then pooped on your doorstep, you definately got pwned.
Or if he ignored you, then ate your food... you got pwned.
Or if he was going to give you a million dollars if you didn't say anything, which he was, he pm'd me and told me... then you got pwned.
Ooorrrr... if he didn't ignore you, but then pooped on your food, then ate it... he pwned himself.
Pwnterizing is a complicated and serious sport... I plan on eventually training everyone here on good pwning practices and ethics.
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Omnicracker
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A: there was no threadjacking. with as little concrete data as we have availible, the only way to discuss a decrease in potency is to relate that to what we know about increasing potency. this is common logical practice in any science.
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esdfsfd
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: Omnicracker]
#5860408 - 07/15/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow, this is a great thread with lots of info and discussion!
keep up the good work
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Psiloptile
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Re: Does Clay Sap Potency? [Re: esdfsfd]
#5860506 - 07/15/06 01:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah.. Fast Fred
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