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Lion
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Ze bahd treep pohl
#5852590 - 07/12/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I want to get some feedback on posters' ideas about the nature of the notorious 'Bad Trip'.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: Lion]
#5852600 - 07/12/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I meant for the questions to be ordered the other way. If you want, start taking the poll from the last question and work your way up.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: Lion]
#5853181 - 07/12/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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That 1 for thinking I was going to die was due to some weed... stopped breathing voluntarily and my brain was rewarding me with mesmerizing visuals when I wouldn't breath... I lived :P
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: Lion]
#5853215 - 07/12/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've only had a couple of bad trips, but they certainly left a mark on my memory. I think they can all be traced back to the set and setting, and changing either of them can drastically alter and improve the quality of your experience.
IMO, a bad trip is when you're overwhelmed with unpleasant mental formations (feelings, thoughts, images, etc). The important question is from where do these mental formations arise? And in almost all cases it can be traced back to the setting of the individual (whether they're in an environment that is familiar and conducive to peace, or an unfamiliar place that seems sinister or otherwise threatening, and other people you are with definitely plays into the setting significantly too) or the set of the individual (a lot of factors play into the set, such as food intake, the past day's activities, expectations, intentions, etc).
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: dblaney]
#5853495 - 07/13/06 12:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive had like more bad trips than good one... i know it's probably a sign i should stop taking acid and shrooms... but it feels like i can force myself to like them. i'm usually afraid of 'letting go'
but the bad trips have all left positive marks.
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: dblaney]
#5854870 - 07/13/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks to all who have voted thus far!Quote:
dblaney said:IMO, a bad trip is when you're overwhelmed with unpleasant mental formations (feelings, thoughts, images, etc). The important question is from where do these mental formations arise? And in almost all cases it can be traced back to the setting of the individual (whether they're in an environment that is familiar and conducive to peace, or an unfamiliar place that seems sinister or otherwise threatening, and other people you are with definitely plays into the setting significantly too) or the set of the individual (a lot of factors play into the set, such as food intake, the past day's activities, expectations, intentions, etc).
The 'set' is the most elusive thing to define going into a psychedelic trip. Do you believe that there is a part of the human unconscious that has 'bad trips' inherently locked up, waiting to come out, or do you believe that it is based solely on controllable factors like setting, fellow trippers, intentions, current mood, etc.?
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: Lion]
#5854964 - 07/13/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Carl Jung was one of the first modern psychologists to articulate the concept of the shadow self.
Psychedelics are, by definition, mind manifesters; that is, whatever is on your mind will be amplified. Sometimes, aspects of you that are below the conscious threshold will also be amplified, and these aspects are not always pleasing to your conscious mind. When these unpleasant and often repressed aspects of you and your personality are brought to consciousness, people generally react negatively, either with fear or hostility. When something like this happens and light is shed onto the shadow self, it is very important to actually step into the shadow and see through its eyes, and acknowledge that it is very much a part of you. Trying to distance yourself from it will only cause more problems. Own it, accept it, and love it like a misguided child.
Aside from that, I don't think there is any part of the human psyche that is a permanent bad trip. It is within your power to transform your psyche and be at peace with it.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: dblaney]
#5855123 - 07/13/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
dblaney said: Carl Jung was one of the first modern psychologists to articulate the concept of the shadow self.
Psychedelics are, by definition, mind manifesters; that is, whatever is on your mind will be amplified. Sometimes, aspects of you that are below the conscious threshold will also be amplified, and these aspects are not always pleasing to your conscious mind. When these unpleasant and often repressed aspects of you and your personality are brought to consciousness, people generally react negatively, either with fear or hostility. When something like this happens and light is shed onto the shadow self, it is very important to actually step into the shadow and see through its eyes, and acknowledge that it is very much a part of you. Trying to distance yourself from it will only cause more problems. Own it, accept it, and love it like a misguided child.
Aside from that, I don't think there is any part of the human psyche that is a permanent bad trip. It is within your power to transform your psyche and be at peace with it.
you have essentially articulated far better than I could my own views on the nature of the 'bad trip'
to attempt to distance yourself--to escape-- from the experience is, I think, to poison your psyche
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Ze bahd treep pohl [Re: Lion]
#5855218 - 07/13/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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to attempt to distance yourself--to escape-- from the experience is, I think, to poison your psyche
Precisely! So much suffering is caused (both tripping and while sober) by not embracing your suffering. When you embrace it, it suddenly doesn't seem so bad, and you can go with the flow far more effectively than when you try to deny your suffering or when you tell yourself that you shouldn't be suffering.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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