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strange mutation... any ideas...?
    #5851738 - 07/12/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



I am very very sterile, and I do use Oust.

Perhaps the Oust caused the mutation.

Anyone ever had this happen before? Any idea what may have caused it?

Could it be the airflow from the pump?


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: etam]
    #5851751 - 07/12/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

where is the mutation?


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: itsbreck]
    #5851788 - 07/12/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

On the largest cap. It looks like the veil is actually growing over the cap or something. You can see the spores.

These are Hawaiians, by the way.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: etam]
    #5851830 - 07/12/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

mutations can just happen, regardless of the chemicals used in their environment... unless you used a master culture for your inoculation, you've got a bunch of different babies in there... anyways, i'm drunk and pissed off, so i probably should stay away from the forums.

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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5851837 - 07/12/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

that is not a mutation.
that is your mushroom dropping spores.
it happens.

if you don't like it,
pick them earlier next time.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5851949 - 07/12/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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monstermitch said:
that is not a mutation.
that is your mushroom dropping spores.
it happens.

if you don't like it,
pick them earlier next time.




The veil has not broken. Look closely at the largest cap. You will see that the veil has actually grown over the cap.

It is most definitely a mutation.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: etam]
    #5851970 - 07/12/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

take a better picture


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5852105 - 07/12/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Omnicracker said:
take a better picture






Sorry about that.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: etam]
    #5852169 - 07/12/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

OT- etam, I hadn't thought of using wire mesh over the perlite to support the cakes... nice idea.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: PsychoChipmunk]
    #5852182 - 07/12/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Probably isn't a mutation, just a deformity.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: fastfred]
    #5852190 - 07/12/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i still just see spores on top of a cap. youre talking about the shroom in the top center?


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5852210 - 07/12/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

He's saying that the veil is upside down and stretched over the cap.

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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: fastfred]
    #5852293 - 07/12/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Some strains normally have translucent veil type "covers" on the cap, common with B+ for example.  If you notice white specs on top of your caps as they mature, that's the leftovers of it, it has broken up and dried and shrunken down into those little spots.  It could be that this particular one had a thicker than normal one and it actually broke after some spores landed on top of it, and the differences in color makes it more pronounced and obvious.  If you've ever seen amanitas, this effect is super obvious on them.  Its not all that much of a mutation and nothing to get worked up over... I'd worry when you start getting nothing but 2 headed monsters, or whatever. :smile:

mutants:

an upside down cap that grew without a stem at all.


who knows what this guy's problem was :smile:

its all good... they taste the same and work all the same.  both of those mutants above spontaneously happened, it had nothing to do with any sorts of chemicals around the grows.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: PsychoChipmunk]
    #5852451 - 07/12/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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OT- etam, I hadn't thought of using wire mesh over the perlite to support the cakes... nice idea.




I actually do that to keep the shrooms growing towards the light and away from the perlite :wink:.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: etam]
    #5852559 - 07/12/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> Some strains normally have translucent veil type "covers" on the cap, common with B+ for example.

You're referring to a pellicle. They are common on B+.

They usually have a translucent separable gelatinous pellicle. I don't think that's what he's seeing here. The pic looks more like it's a veil that somehow grew in a reversed fashion.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: fastfred]
    #5852561 - 07/12/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

isn't a deformity a mutation?


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: ExoticBlend]
    #5852630 - 07/12/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

> isn't a deformity a mutation?

No.

deformity - A bodily malformation, distortion, or disfigurement.

mutation - A change of the DNA sequence within a gene or chromosome of an organism resulting in the creation of a new character or trait not found in the parental type.

A deformity can be the result of mutation, but a deformity is not always the result of a mutation, nor does a mutation always cause a deformity.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: fastfred]
    #5852684 - 07/12/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You guys aren't understanding what I'm trying to say. No spores ever fell on those caps. There are no caps above them for spores to drop from. I have no idea why those spores are there.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: etam]
    #5852742 - 07/12/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The spores of a lot of mushrooms swirl around and land on the cap. Reishi is famous for it, cubensis does it as well to a limited extent. Lots of mushrooms such as this Chanterelle make weird mutations.
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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5852870 - 07/12/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yup... say you had one lone mushroom all by itself, let it get mature and watch, the spores somehow end up on top of it turning the top of the cap black, it doesn't need anything above it :smile:

they dont weigh much and the slightest convection current due to the tiniest temperature differential - heat from your substrate below is enough to make them float upward... think like ash from a fire... it floats up, then falls back down... spores don't weigh much so it doesn't take much.  they definitely don't fall straight down.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5853972 - 07/13/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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creamcorn said:they dont weigh much and the slightest convection current due to the tiniest temperature differential - heat from your substrate below is enough to make them float upward... think like ash from a fire... it floats up, then falls back down... spores don't weigh much so it doesn't take much.  they definitely don't fall straight down.




Hmmm... makes sense :smile:.  I have let them all mature and I'm convinced there are actually no deformities going on... just extremely lightweight spores swirling around and landing on the caps.

Thanks a lot for the feedback guys.

BTW CreamC, I'm giving the whole coffee thing a try with the PF tek starting a couple days ago with some Brazilian spores.  I'll let you know how it goes if you like.


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: etam]
    #5854041 - 07/13/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah definitely let me know, i like to hear peoples' experiences with it, i'm still playing with it myself in some other applications... :thumbup:


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Re: strange mutation... any ideas...? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5854256 - 07/13/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

regardless of what it is.. makes for a cool picture.


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