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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Tannis]
    #588760 - 03/25/02 05:52 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

SWAMI: Are you sure it was a HypERtensive thing and not a HypOtensive crisis? If it's the former your hash or LSD was likely tainted. If it was the latter (dangerously low bloodpressure) It can be very likely THC-induced, since Hypotension is associated with THC according to medbook (Meyler's SEOD).

I've had a severe reaction involving THC too... I almost fainted & had to assume the "Astronaut Position" (lying flat with your knees alittle up to raise the bloodpressure in the most important areas.) I've smoked about 10lbs of grass and never had that happen before or again... Be careful, OK?

TANNIS: I can say only one thing: GET RID OF THAT LOADED GUN UNLESS YOU LIVE IN A WARZONE !!! As far as I understand it most deaths "by the gun" are self-inflicted/accidental in the US. (could be wrong)

As a therapist you should know any person may get overwhealmed by strong negativity and may absent-mindedly or out of despair do something to themselves.
I've been offered (hand)guns and even handgranades at $10 a pop, but I'm totally against owning such things. If you really think you need a weapon, how about stuff like Pepperspray? Not as good as a gun, but highly unattractive to use on yourself... (get the 10+ft squirting kind & not the "spray" type)
I think almost any actual gunowner will agree: If you FEAR the gun, don't OWN it.

Now you get alot of negativity hurled at you professionally, but if Grof's theories are correct and the cause isn't somatic, those upsurges may well be Deep Dynamics popping up. If I were you I'd lay off the Shrooms for a long time, if not forever, until you're in the clear again.

Since you say the bad stuff's on the increase & there are loss-of-control fears & issues, try meditative techniques instead.
I think this kind of thing can better be resolved in "Real Life" than in a Shroomtrip. Should you find you want or need help, don't let being a therapist hold you back in getting it. This may be on the Shroomery or a professional guy.
But my advice: Lay off on the Psychoactives for a while!

Hope your situation'll turn for the better sometime soon, but be prepared for a nosedive before it clears up...

If you think I can be of any help please PM me.

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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Asante]
    #588804 - 03/25/02 07:06 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

First of all, THANKS!!!
What you said really means a lot to me.
As a therapist, I always encourage my patients to talk openly and honestly about any issues they face. In short, I ask them to put their thoughts and emotions into words and share them with someone else---the darkest thoughts that they have. I hold myself to that same standard. Talking openly about suicidal thoughts, or depression helps to relieve some of the pressure, and surprisingly, the tendency to carry out the thoughts.....
When someone like you takes the time to respond in a caring manner....it literally starts to "drive" those thoughts from consciousness.
I really appreciate it and I may take you up on the PM sometime. You seem like a really caring person.
As far as the gun, I was raised with firearms in a small town where practically everyone owns weapons. I have no intentions of suicide, but do experience the thoughts, and these have increased since shrooming.....the reason I stopped a couple of months ago.....I think it is healthy to talk about these negative feelings not only for my benefit, but also in case some newbie, probably a high school or college kid, has the same or similar experience. If they realize they are not alone, it might stop them from pulling the trigger, if they see that I chose not to do it......
Thanks again!

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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Tannis]
    #5392111 - 03/12/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


How many others are terrified of going deep?

I'd have to say... After tripping on salvia several times, I look at psychedelics in a much different light. Before, I would try to prepare myself mentally best I could for the trip, and then attempt to enjoy myself as much as possible during the trp, but now I look at it more like an ocean tide; where if you fight against it, you will be met with unsatisfying results - though if you flow with it, you will most likely be alright.

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