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InvisibleSwami
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What's more fun: Tripping or Growing?
    #585078 - 03/21/02 10:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

At this point in time, I would rate them roughly equal for obviously very different reasons. They are the two ends of the spectrum. Raising your own children makes them more special and is emotionally satisfying.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585096 - 03/21/02 11:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I definately enjoy growing, and trip very little compared to my constant supply. I just give them to friends.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585099 - 03/21/02 11:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I would have to say tripping is more fun, but growing is more satisfying.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585114 - 03/21/02 11:35 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If you Grow but don't Trip... Grow Shii-Takes or stuff like that. (they taste GREAT & are healthy too! Cut 'em up, thru egg, then spices + breadcrumbs & bake 'em!)

If you Trip but don't Grow... You're missing out on a beautiful experience! For me a little Growing majorly strenghtened my bond with the Cubie. (PF-TEK sez it all)

Do think Tripping is more fun, tho!


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585175 - 03/21/02 12:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Growing.....too many "bad" trips......


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Tannis]
    #585337 - 03/21/02 04:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Erm...Hunting...and finding...then tripping!! :laugh:

So Tannis do you grow and not trip? 


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #585346 - 03/21/02 04:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

After three really bad trips....one where I woke up naked and convulsing on the floor and where I "lost" 6hrs, I am not doing anything but alcohol. Rumors about growing mushrooms are exaggerated.....
......this post is intended only for entertainment purposes and no mushrooms were harmed while writing this post.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Tannis]
    #585366 - 03/21/02 04:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

tripping and watching them grow while tripping


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Tannis]
    #585413 - 03/21/02 05:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Do you know what dosages that you took? What do you think that you did "wrong"? Why do you continue to grow?

I have a strong attraction / repulsion to the little fungis. I think that anyone who dabbles long enough will come to fear / respect their awesome power. Sometimes I wonder what I am getting into after a long hiatus. (only tripped twice in the last 20 years). Seems that every time I trip no matter my mind state and setting, I get that "Oh fuck, what have I done?" feeling which I hate.

Maybe one has to find that "perfect" dose, but even that is no guarantee.

How many others are terrified of going deep?


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585422 - 03/21/02 05:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Shrooms+maoi (3gs+3grue) had me nervous for a while, had to keep my walkman on as a kind of life line to reality it felt as if I was being drained away, but that was just the comeup.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #585451 - 03/21/02 05:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

And then...?


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585485 - 03/21/02 06:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Seems that every time I trip no matter my mind state and setting, I get that "Oh fuck, what have I done?" feeling which I hate.

I know what you mean, I've felt the same way before. Ever since this one bad trip a while ago I have a new sense of fear of psychedelics. Maybe fear isn't the right work, "respect for their power" like you said is better. Did you have a particular experience that gave you this feeling? My advice is to slowly work your way back up to bigger doses. Like take a gram or two, enough for you to feel but not a full psychedelic state. I have no idea if this works or not, but that's what I'm going to try.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585531 - 03/21/02 07:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

>Raising your own children makes them more special and is emotionally satisfying.


hehe, eating your own children.. now that's a way to word it :smile:


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #585930 - 03/22/02 02:59 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I must expell my strange fetish, as a dogs nose is cool ,smooth and moist...so is the cap of a fresh cubi....I must gently touch the cool cap..

Seems that every time I trip no matter my mind state and setting, I get that "Oh fuck, what have I done?" feeling which I hate.
I think this feeling is common initial feeling to anything unventured....


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #586008 - 03/22/02 05:37 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Did you have a particular experience that gave you this feeling?
At age 28, I nearly died from acute hashish intoxication. No, not a psychedelic ego-death experience or just thinking I was dying, but had a real hypertensive crisis off of eating 1 gram of black Nepalese hash and one hit of weak acid. I was going to post this, but expected that everyone would parrot that cannabis cannot kill you. I beg to differ unless the hash that I took was tainted.

An athlete going at maximum output might get a heart rate of 180-190 bpm at peak. I had a sustained resting heart rate of 240 bpm! The doctor said I was lucky to have survived and if I was not young and in top condition that my heart would have literally exploded! It was the worst nightmare imaginable.

I could not even smoke a joint for 15 years due to acute anxiety and paranoia. That might give a little insight into my fear. Guess I have been heading back down this road due to many devastating personal crisis. Somewhere along the way I lost my spirit and joy for life. Trying to get back on track and to learn to accept death and loss and find some purpose.

I guess my disappointments in trying to find something "real" is reflected in my sometimes harsh approach to fellow posters. Maybe just acknowleging my own fear and anger is a step into the light...



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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #586076 - 03/22/02 07:09 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for your honesty Swami. It had been over 20 years for me and tripping as well. I think alot of us get that "oh fuck what have I done feeling". I repsected the mushroom since I joined this hobby and continue to. I wont ever eat over 4 grams and so far about 3 is the record. I do know the shroom can take you to a different world that it controls if you take to much. If you ever need to talk to another old fucker you can feel free to PM me.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #586169 - 03/22/02 10:51 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I took 4.4grams and had almost no effect once, then a few weeks later, I took 3.5 grams lost consciousness and about 6hrs of time and ended up naked on the floor convulsing.......

What was the difference? I don't know.....

Whenever I have dosed, I may not have had a "blissful" mindset but it wasn't negative and I tripped in my bedroom or in the woods or front yard of where I live in a small town. All very peaceful and non threatening.....

I think though, as I've mentioned in other posts, that being abused verbally and physically was a major part of it. I'm pretty stable emotionally, I'm a therapist/counselor and work with adolescents and adults. But the shrooms seem to dig up dead bodies and leave them around the house and yard. It's like I took a roller coaster ride into the nether world and unknowingly brought something back with me that causes a lot of pain and upset.

I haven't tripped for months but since my really bad trip I wake up every morning with this "scared little kid who wants his mommy feeling" in my stomach and sometimes its so bad it makes me puke.

I guess I'm hoping to have more experiences like my first which was perfect.....seeing into my arm and the veins and all, feeling great..... colors, walls breathing, really cool.....

I just can't seem to get past whatever I "brought back" with me....

I was also disappointed. I know Swami that you like to see the "proof" of things but I've had a lot of experiences that I can't explain. Knowing things before they happen in great detail, meeting someone and knowing something about them that shocks them and which I don't have any way or knowing, sensing spirits or such and then having something occur---like "sensing" a death spirit and then someone dies.....anyway I was disappointed that the shrooms didn't improve this "ability". I was hoping to see more and use this with my patients and in my personal life but all I saw was a dark void and realized that I was a prisoner in my own mind with no way out of the bad trip.

Whenever the shrooms "kick in" be it a good or bad experience, I always feel like I am at the top of the highest part of a roller coaster and then I start to drop and pick up speed. It's like the feeling of falling or jumping from a high rock like I used to do at the river. You just lose touch with the world and go inside yourself where the "rules" are different.

Having said that.....with the last three trips being REALLY BAD .....I'm about one bad trip away from swearing off shrooms forever....and I don't want that to happen.


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Swami]
    #586180 - 03/22/02 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks.....
I really appreciate this kind of honest post.....I work with adolescents and a lot of them only hear the "good" side of drugs and most think that nothing bad will ever happen to them. I've known kids and adults that have died from drug use.....in the clinic where I work two adult patients ODed last week and one of my adolescents relapsed because he knew one of the guys, and this kid is in bad shape, needs to stop using before he kills himself.....


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Tannis]
    #586212 - 03/22/02 11:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

...and a lot of them only hear the "good" side of drugs and most think that nothing bad will ever happen to them...
I agree. While negative drug experiences are allowed here, there is an undercurrent of social pressure to not to relate too much bad stuff as it might feed into the WOD propaganda. Then again, most people that have seriously bad trips will not hang around for the shroomery and post for long.

I am trying hard to rationalize my re-entry into entheogenic exploration, but have major concerns of opening my psychic Pandora's Box as you did. There is also danger of alienating my new girlfriend (head of the PTA - LOL!) Up to this point I have rarely lived my life because of someone else's views, but at this stage a human to human relationship is more important than a human to mushroom relationship.

Then, of course, there is the threat of the legal axe hanging over one's head if not extremely careful. Even then things can happen as in the recent story of one grower's house or apartment that caught fire when he was not home. The firemen found his stash and he was busted.

Yet, despite these risks there is the poweful attraction like the moth to the flame. Fly too close and one can get burned. *Sigh* Must we be always in internal conflict?


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Re: What's more fun: Tripping or Growing? [Re: Tannis]
    #586214 - 03/22/02 11:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I took 4.4grams and had almost no effect once, then a few weeks later, I took 3.5 grams lost consciousness...
Was this from the same strain / flush / substrate or from different batches? You MUST have some opinion as to why the trips varied in the extreme.


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