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DyingTree
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Amanita (fixed)
#5850749 - 07/12/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry about that i don't know why my last post got cut off, what I meant to say was: I have been thinking about ordering Amanitas for awhile now from iamshaman.com, the Washington Grade A++ Amanitas. Since these are a Siberian strain and I read from a previous post that the siberian stain induces visuals, and more gives of a body high. I also read from another post that if you order them from Iamshaman.com they are already prepared, no muscimol conversion is needed. I don't know how true this is though. Either way I am going to prepare them the way that most websites say to(in the oven at 170-200F), then I am going to make a tea out of them. I heard that making them in a tea will reduce nausea. Can you please tell me how much of this is true regarding the strain, whether or not they are already prepared and how much to dose with? Thank You
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: DyingTree]
#5851292 - 07/12/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I ordered 1 oz of the Washington grade A++ Amanita muscaria from iamshaman.com this past Saturday, the 8th. They arrived to me on Monday, the 10th, which is unbelievably fast. They came in a large ziplock bag with an info label that reads:
"Traditional/Medicinal Uses: For generations, the tribal shamans of Siberia and the Pacific Northwest have ingested 1-3 caps of Amanita muscaria to enter visionary states. If it was made into tea, the water was never boiled because boiling would destroy the active components. Today, because they are not sold for human ingestion, Amanita muscaria is the ultimate addition to any ethnobotanical collection. Our "Grade A++" specimens, collected in Washington State, have been carefully dried for maximum preservation."
This was pretty limited information so I emailed them a question about how they dried their Amanita muscaria. They responded with "They are dried in the sun.". Well, that's not the method I've read about at many sites on how to prepare Amanita muscaria. Anyone that can clear this issue up would be of great help.
As for reducing nausea, I've read that smoking some pot before and during will help avoid much discomfort.
I've also read that naturally grown Siberian and Washington Amanita muscaria are pretty much the same since spores can and do travel across oceans.
I haven't taken any of my Amanita muscaria yet, but am looking forward to doing so. I'll post back afterwards.
Edited by Daybreak (07/12/06 05:45 PM)
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: DyingTree]
#5851309 - 07/12/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey, there...
If you buy Amanita Muscaria from iamshaman, you don't need to dry them in an oven. They are already dried. Of course, they're not for human consumption, but if you were gonna eat them, I would concur with the tea method. Start with 7 grams (quarter ounce). Just pour boiling water over the mushrooms in a cup and let sit for about 10 minutes. Then strain and add milk and honey to the tea. Have about 5 grams set aside. Wait one hour. If you don't feel anything, try the extra five grams. You can eat amanita muscaria dry, just wash it down with milk. Don't drink any carbonated beverages (or beer) with amanita muscaria.
Lets review: 7 grams, wait an hour, then 5 grams.
This is just my experience. I'm not a Soma Shaman by any means, just about 25 trips. When you feel the tendons in your wrists twitching (that's what to look for after eating the initial 7 grams), you will know that the trip is about to begin.
I have never had heavy visuals on amanita, but I doubt if the different strains have any difference in terms of visuals. For me, Amanita is an incredible mental tonic. It makes you smarter, long term, if you approach it with the right attitude. Soma is the Spirit of God.
If you want to find out about Soma (Amanita Muscaria), visit http://redangels.yage.net ... that's the web page for Hawk and Venus. Hawk is the Soma Priest, and knows more about Soma (Amanita) than anyone in the world.

Good luck.
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Hail, Soma!
Edited by BobHumboldt (07/12/06 04:23 PM)
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Daybreak
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So boiling the Amanita in water won't destroy it's active components then?
I was planning to eat a couple of the dried caps but if it's definately going to make me sick then I'll just go with the tea.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5851663 - 07/12/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I getting confused, one is saying that boiling water would destroy the active components and the other is saying to pour boiling water over the mushrooms in a cup. So as long as you don't actually put the mushrooms in a pot and boiling them it will not destroy the active components? And by pouring water that was boiled over them will not destroy the active components?
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: DyingTree]
#5852007 - 07/12/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just received the A+ muscaria from the same place as you. I have read a lot about preparing them but I'm a little unsure too. See, drying should be enough (they way they came, althought they aren't totally dry like brittle, there is some moister), but I think I read some places say heat it too after that too. But they also say if you heat it too much it will destroy the wrong components. I think I'm planning on taking all of the mushrooms I ordered and cutting them all up into tiny peices and grinding them so the strength will be equal and normalized throughout, then I plan on taking a very small dosage of no more than 4g, probably in warm water as tea or something and seeing if it does anything or if I feel sick. The drying should be enough, but I'm still searching to see. What do you all think?
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: razer7echo]
#5852037 - 07/12/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well whatever you do don't go asking iamshaman.com any questions, they'll just blacklist you.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5853459 - 07/13/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, the iamshamn are already dried (although they are not as dry as I expected, not cracker or britle drie), but were they just sun dried or oven dried? Does sun drying convert all the poison? Do I need to oven bake them now too? Also, the package actually says that you should NOT boil them because it will destroy the active function. Does anyone know exactly how to prepare these from iamshaman? If I had to do it right now I would meausre under 4g and put in hot (non boiling) water and make a tea and see what happens. Does anyone have any experience with the way iamshaman has prepared these and how I need to prepare them? THANKS
Edited by razer7echo (07/13/06 12:49 AM)
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: razer7echo]
#5853628 - 07/13/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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boil water, then take the water off the stove and pour over powdered amanitas. Add a copious amount of lemon/lime juice. Let soak for 15-30 minutes. Consume, Enjoy!
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That's right. Pour boiling water over the dried shrooms then drink the tea. I'm amazed that Amanita gets so much bad press on here, but that's ok. When I praise Hawk in the previous post, it's because I've read the book him and his wife, Venus, wrote, called: Soma Shamans. They've got a bunch of recipes for Amanita in the book. Supposedly you can boil fresh Soma for "20 magical minutes" to make tea. Hawk and Venus know. Hawk says he's eaten Amanita Muscaria thousands of times, and if you read his book, you will believe him. The recipe I mentioned is tried and true. You don't need to actually boil the dried shrooms, just -- exactly as the previous post states -- pour boiling water over the shrooms. And 7 grams initial plus 5 grams an hour later, at least for me, and I weigh about 210 lbs, is enough to get a pretty good trip. I hate to beat a dead horse, but I see posts on the shroomery where people say they eat an ounce of dried amanita, and Goddamn, that sounds like James Arthur! I guess someone could eat that much if they really want to do the time travel-ego death deallybobber, but I dunno.
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(Amanita Muscaria, var. formosa -- Yellow Orange, Sun Dried for 2 weeks, da Roc, New York)
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Edited by BobHumboldt (07/13/06 07:58 PM)
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DyingTree
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when your talking about how much to take (4grams,5grams and 7grams) are you talking about the mushrooms or the tea? Basically how many caps should be used when making the tea and how much tea should be drank? Thank You.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: DyingTree]
#5856535 - 07/13/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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this stuff sounds great...i just might order some
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: bobjones]
#5856710 - 07/14/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks alot for the information guys, that helps so much.
I have one more question. I read that Amanitas just aren't as fun, or as visual as psilocybin, is that true?
Edited by Daybreak (07/14/06 04:32 AM)
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5856817 - 07/14/06 02:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are way different. If you are asking this then you must study more about them.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: DyingTree]
#5856832 - 07/14/06 02:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
DyingTree said: when your talking about how much to take (4grams,5grams and 7grams) are you talking about the mushrooms or the tea? Basically how many caps should be used when making the tea and how much tea should be drank? Thank You.
I have not done this before. But to answer your question it is definitely the dry weight of the mushroom in grams, not the tea. You will be using ground up mushroom so the number of caps won't be relevant even though the bag says people use 3 caps. That could be any size and you will take way too much if they are big caps. You need a scale to weigh this and check erowid.com Amanita Muscaria on the dosage button. You might want to start at or under 4grams because you don't have any idea how strong the specific shroom in your hands are since they can vary. Also you should mix them all up when you grind them so you average the strength so you will get the same strength each time. This is all advice I have read I still have not done this yet. Be careful and seriously consider having someone with you when you do this in a safe place at safe low starting dose. You can always buy more later.
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Quote:
astraalialma said:
They are way different. If you are asking this then you must study more about them.
I understand they're very different, I've done about 10 hours of research on Amanitas.
I'd just like an opinion here to my exact question.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5857011 - 07/14/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5858537 - 07/14/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmmm, seems like many people don't like Amanitas, but no matter.
I'm still looking forward to a new adventure
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5863275 - 07/15/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got my mushrooms from a pretty reputable online store and got their A+ line of amanita muscaria for my collection. Can you guys verify that these look like amanita muscaria as a second source? 9 Samples they sent me Thanks.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: razer7echo]
#5864442 - 07/16/06 06:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those look like good amanitas enjoy. Approximately how big are the caps?
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Daybreak
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Ok I did about 10 grams of these iamshaman.com amanitas and they suck, bad.
I felt drunk and uncomfortable. No mind fuck but a little confusion.
I'd rather set $70 on fire than pay iamshaman.com again.
If I had to sum up the trip it would be like taking 10 motion sickness pills.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5865631 - 07/16/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really. You should watch the videos from a show where they tested this on some people. They seemed to get some effects. Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Watch this One Part 5
Edited by razer7echo (07/16/06 01:56 PM)
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: razer7echo]
#5870374 - 07/17/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone know if you HAVE to heat amanita muscaria to over 170 degrees to convert the ibotenic acid to muscimol or whill just sun drying work? They online store I bought the mushrooms from said they only dry them in the sun and I want to know if I have to heat them in the oven now too. Thanks.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: razer7echo]
#5870397 - 07/17/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know where you bought them but if you tell me I can probably tell you more. Most vendors thoroughly dry their mushrooms, they should be cracker dry and brittle when they get to you. My recent purchase from BBB was dryish but still not really that dry. You can finish the drying process (if it needs it) by sticking them in the oven at 150. Don't use more heat than this as it will destroy the actives.
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Got them from iamshaman, also wikipedia says that they should be dried in the sun to convert them. They seem pretty dry, don't know if they could be more, it is hard to be exact.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: razer7echo]
#5872058 - 07/18/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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an Oven will do just fine over sunlight. The traditional method was to put the mushrooms in stockings and let them dry over the fire overnight. They should be as dry as crackers with no real elasticity to them.
Daybreak I'm sorry you had a bad experience with them. I would say give them another try at a higher dosage. It seems to me that you took enough to feel slightly ill and uncoordinated but certainly not enough to go into the deep restorative sleep, clear your sinuses, see CEVs, get euphoria and a nice body buzz. My reccommendation is 20 grams + lemon juice. Boil water then put the amanitas in the hot (non-boiling) water then add lemon/lime juice. Consume! What location/grade did you acquire?
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I got the Washington grade A++
I still have plenty (over 20 grams). I may just mix them with some psilocybin.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: Daybreak]
#5876818 - 07/19/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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my last amanita trip was awesome made some bangen cheese eggs with fresh sage and the trip was for some reason similar to psilo mushrooms mixed with amanita very atypical trip for amanita but none the less good approx 13 grams between 2 people maybe less. the key is using amanita dairy interaction and if you dont believe theres an interaction test it out i know theres nothing online to read that says it makes it stronger but a pharmacist that had it in college in india prepared with in milk i tried it and it was way stronger.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: thedudenj]
#5876989 - 07/19/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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7 grams wouldn't do much for me. Maybe produce some euphoria, body buzz and stimulation. What amanitas are you using that are this potent?
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I tried them and put some in a tea and ate one regular dried. They were all sun dried and weren't oven cooked. I got tired, then extremely sick to my stomach for that night and vomitted very violently many times. The next day I felt sick still and couldn't eat and I vommited one more time. After about 48 hours I was fully back to normal with appetite. My memory is very hazy on the whole situation, but I feel very good now. Maybe I should have oven cooked them. I want to solve the problem of what went wrong but I don't want to do it again because it will just be ucomfortable for my body if I get it wrong again. I wish somebody stressed that these need to be heated if that is what went wrong. They were dried and hard, but maybe they had too much ibotenic acid because they weren't heated to 170 F. There is a lot of information but not everyone agrees on one exact same procedure to follow, nor have the same purchase source. Some people say that if they are dried that is good enough. I don't want to try again and find out what the best solution is.
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Re: Amanita (fixed) [Re: razer7echo]
#5890798 - 07/23/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've always had great luck with the dry like crackers with no elasticity method of checking the shrooms. It sounds like one of four things happened: those weren't amanitas (amanitas don't last 2 days), those were amanitas and they were really strong and you took a high dose, your liver lacks the enzyme to breakdown the actives? or they were gemmata/pantherina varieties of amanitas (they contain more actives).
If you don't mind me asking what grade/location and source were the amanitas something sounds very funky about this.
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just please make tea or make cheese eggs works for fresh or dried taste good and you wont feel sick only worry is it being to strong use sage wormwood and/or cannabis works good and that applies for tea too and you can smoke a blend of thats or one and in eggs ad cheese and in tea and milk or you could make a milk shake thing dairy boost it PS amanitas can last for couple hours or a year plus 2 days is deffinatly possible
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