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Israel
    #5850574 - 07/12/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Is free to enter other nations and destroy infastructure? I mean, hell, the United States has been doing it, but still, what the fuck? :lol:

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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5850655 - 07/12/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Israel answers to no one. They are gods chosen people you know.


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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5850721 - 07/12/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I thought the U.S. had rebuilt all that infrastructure destroyed in Iraq. At least that's what I saw on Fox News...


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Re: Israel [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5850905 - 07/12/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not all of it, but they are working on it. Do you think Israel with rebuild Palestine when they are through blowing it up?


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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5850963 - 07/12/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Is free to enter other nations and destroy infastructure? I mean, hell, the United States has been doing it, but still, what the fuck? :lol:

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If you kidnap my friend or family member I'll kill your entire family, how's that?


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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #5850998 - 07/12/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That sounds like Israel.


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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5851036 - 07/12/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Go Jews Go!!


Gimme a J!

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Gimme a W!

Gimme and S!!!

What's it spell?

JEWS!!!!!!! JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!! JEWS!!!!!!!

YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! JEWS!


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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5851090 - 07/12/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
That sounds like Israel.




Or if you fuck with me then I start war. That sounds like America during the War for Independence. Even though this has nothing to do with the War for Independence....


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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5851108 - 07/12/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Doubtful.


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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5851276 - 07/12/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5851421 - 07/12/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here is someone's reply to a thread about isreal on another forum. Thought it was pretty interesting if true, anyone that can debunk it? I'm not sure how much truth there is to it, though it certainly smells of more fact than fiction.

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The main reason for the Gaza pull out was to pitch Israel as the concession and peace maker. 8,000 settlers lived illegally on 40% of Palestinian land in the Gaza strip, while 1.3 million Palestinians lived on the other 60%. The pullout was not a concession, it was Israeli finally, and just a little, abiding by international law. At the time, we were treated, via the mainstream media, to endless pictures of poor settlers being wrenched from their homes, with teary-eyed soldiers doing the hard job.

All of it was one big propaganda ploy, to convince us that Israel was making this difficult unilateral consession to palestinians, that they were giving Gaza back to the Palestinians and that Gazans were not free to decide their own future, and that it was now the duty of the palestinians to give something back. But nothing was said about the fact that the settlers were illegally living on stolen palestinian land and that they were getting, on average, $200,000 per family to relocate to Israel.

Since, or rather despire of, the pullout, the Israeli army has maintained its stranglehold on Gaza, controlling, and usually preventing, Gazans from leaving Gaza to go anywhere. Remember, Gaza is a 30 mile long by 8 mile wide strip of land with 1.4 million Palestinians living in seriously cramped conditions. Since the pullout, Palestinians are still completely dependent on Israel to allow food and supplies to enter Gaza. Israel has regularly stopped such supplies in order to punish Gazans, for some trumpted up reason. Since the pullout, Israel has regularly fired hundreds of missiles per week into Gaza. In a two week period in May, the IDF fired 2,000 missiles. When Hamas was democratically elected in January this year, Israel persuaded the int. community to stop all payments to Hamas and the PA. because Hamas was a "terrorist organisation". Israel had already destroyed Gaza's economy, leaving them wholly dependent on outside aid, which has now been cut off to almost nothing.

For the past 16 months, Hamas had been holding to a unilateral ceasefire, even while Israel continued to murder palestinian civilians. Over the course of the middle two weeks of June, Israeli forces murdered 23 Palestinian civilians, including a family of seven picnicing on the beach. Then, the day before the Hamas attack on an Israeli lookout post just inside Israel on the southern border of Gaza, Israeli forces entered Gaza and kidnapped and jailed two Hamas politicians. This and the killings, prompted Hamas to carry out their attack in which they kidnapped an Israeli soldier.





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Re: Israel [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5851650 - 07/12/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
Here is someone's reply to a thread about isreal on another forum. Thought it was pretty interesting if true, anyone that can debunk it? I'm not sure how much truth there is to it, though it certainly smells of more fact than fiction.




Well, OK, I'll Fisk it
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The main reason for the Gaza pull out was to pitch Israel as the concession and peace maker.




Pitch it? They made a concession. A real one. And then what happened? The residents elected a terrorist group into power, launched regular rocket attacks and murdered and kidnapped Israeli soldiers on the other side of the border. Yep, Israel sure won some real PR battles. If you think PR counts for more than lives, it's a win for Israel.
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8,000 settlers lived illegally



Bullshit and bullshit. They gained this land from Egypt in a war. Are you gonna give Texas back? There was no legal authority that said the 8,000 couldn't live there. Pragmatism suggested that they get out, not some spurious legal authority.
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on 40% of Palestinian land in the Gaza strip




See above, and they should have thrown them all out when they won. Except none of their fine Arab brethren would have them and there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth that, for some unknown reason, Israel gave a shit about. It was not Palestinian land.
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, while 1.3 million Palestinians lived on the other 60%. The pullout was not a concession, it was Israeli finally, and just a little, abiding by international law.




There was no international law at hand. It was acceding to pragmatism, nothing more, nothing less.
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At the time, we were treated, via the mainstream media, to endless pictures of poor settlers being wrenched from their homes, with teary-eyed soldiers doing the hard job.




I don't have much sympathy for them. They were religious zealots who occupied a shithole because they had some notion that they had a divine right to it. Their government had a right to occupy the territory as a spoil of war and a right to give it back. 8,000 dipshits cannot make national policy against the interests of the entire nation as determined by their leadership. I also believe that they were compensated. So, too bad.
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All of it was one big propaganda ploy, to convince us that Israel was making this difficult unilateral consession to palestinians, that they were giving Gaza back to the Palestinians and that Gazans were not free to decide their own future, and that it was now the duty of the palestinians to give something back.




All they were required to give back was a restraint from not attacking Israel. Stupid pieces of shit couldn't even hold that up. And here is where this asshole exposes himself. "All of it was one big propaganda ploy." Only a total fucking conspiracy whackjob douchebag would think anything as tangible as the Israeli withdrawal was a propoganda ploy. Prpoganda is by its very definition superficial. The man is a fucking idiot.
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But nothing was said about the fact that the settlers were illegally living on stolen palestinian land and that they were getting, on average, $200,000 per family to relocate to Israel.




So I was right, they were compensated. "Stolen" Bullshit for reasons previously cited.
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Since, or rather despire of, the pullout, the Israeli army has maintained its stranglehold on Gaza, controlling, and usually preventing, Gazans from leaving Gaza to go anywhere. Remember, Gaza is a 30 mile long by 8 mile wide strip of land with 1.4 million Palestinians living in seriously cramped conditions. Since the pullout, Palestinians are still completely dependent on Israel to allow food and supplies to enter Gaza. Israel has regularly stopped such supplies in order to punish Gazans, for some trumpted up reason.




Gaza has a border with Egypt and a huge coast. No Gazan has a right to enter Israel. 50% of it's border is not Israel. Even to the most Arab favoring boot licker Israel has no obligation to Gaza beyond leaving, and I don't think they even had that.
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Since the pullout, Israel has regularly fired hundreds of missiles per week into Gaza. In a two week period in May, the IDF fired 2,000 missiles.




Now this I suspect is a flatout lie. Total, unredeemable bullshit. A thousand missiles a week? Homey don't think so.
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When Hamas was democratically elected in January this year, Israel persuaded the int. community to stop all payments to Hamas and the PA. because Hamas was a "terrorist organisation".



Hamas is a terrorist organization and recognized as such throughtout the world, as is Hezbollah. And under what circumstances does this asshole think Israel should be funding a group that espouses it's destruction?
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Israel had already destroyed Gaza's economy, leaving them wholly dependent on outside aid, which has now been cut off to almost nothing.




Oh, this is hilarious. They left them with their infrastructure intact and what did they do? They looted it. Israel left, they were getting tons of aid they elected a terrorist group into power and the aid got pulled. Yep, that's Israel's fault.
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For the past 16 months, Hamas had been holding to a unilateral ceasefire,




Flagrant lie. Daily rocket attacks
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even while Israel continued to murder palestinian civilians. Over the course of the middle two weeks of June, Israeli forces murdered 23 Palestinian civilians, including a family of seven picnicing on the beach.




Um no, they were blown up by their own stupid bombers, who almost manage to inflict a greater toll on themselves than on Israelis, since the Israelis have been somewhat effective at selectively killing the master bombmakers and only retards are left.

"Then, the day before the Hamas attack on an Israeli lookout post just inside Israel on the southern border of Gaza, Israeli forces entered Gaza and kidnapped and jailed two Hamas politicians. This and the killings, prompted Hamas to carry out their attack in which they kidnapped an Israeli soldier."

(I went over the quote limit so the last bit in quotation marks is the asshole)
Two Hamas politicians, huh? No, they were wanted terrorists. You can elect Adolph Hitler to power. That doesn't remove him from the "with extreme prejudice" list.



I went to the link, checked the guy out. It is clearly an almost exclusively anti-Israel website. Knock yourself out if this is where you want to get your information from.


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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5851732 - 07/12/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
Not all of it, but they are working on it. Do you think Israel with rebuild Palestine when they are through blowing it up?




Honestly, it would seem as though they simply continue to destroy infastructure in order to prevent Palestine from operating as a normal territory, or country, or whatever it suspossedly is, in order to prevent Palestine from being a true threat to Israel.

They might be accomplishing that, but yet, at the same time, they are merely creating more terrorists. I admit that I do not exactly study the situation, but yet it seems as though Israel is more the terrorists than anyone else. You can only bomb people so long before they reach a point at which there is nothing left to live for anyways, so you might as well retaliate. I honestly feel more sympathy for the Palestinians than the Israelities. :wink:

I think that America has sort of prevented itself from having much to say on the issue, either. America cannot announce support for Israel's actions, since they at least border on terrorism and violation of human rights, but yet, at the same time, they claim to be fighting a war of terrorism... We've led by example. :confused:

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Re: Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5851772 - 07/12/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Your points do not address Israel's current attacks on Lebanon, nor the direct threats they have made towards Lebanon, shit like "We'll set your country twenty years back" by destroying infastructure and shit. The status of the Gaza Strip seems to be disputed, but I'm pretty sure that Lebanon has rights as a sovereign nation, and Israel doesn't seem to have any justifiable right to outright invade another country.

I'm sorry, but in this day and age, the thought of war in such a manner is clearly not a productive means to accomplish anything.  America is proclaiming that Syria and Iran are responsible for the attacks, even though Israel is the one doing the attacking. I think there is concern that Israel will attack Syria as well....

Fuck Israel. This divisive Christian/Jew vs. Muslim bullshit is not beneficial for anyone involved. I think we need to respect each other and work together. America needs to play a more effective role in "securing democracy" by unifying and bringing resolution....

Excuse my rant. :lol:

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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5851822 - 07/12/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Your points do not address Israel's current attacks on Lebanon, nor the direct threats they have made towards Lebanon, shit like "We'll set your country twenty years back" by destroying infastructure and shit.




I believe this was in response to hezbollah guerrillas attacking israeli troops at the border, killing 3 and kidnapping 1 or 2, bringing them deeper into lebanese territory.

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Re: Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5851861 - 07/12/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I went to the link, checked the guy out. It is clearly an almost exclusively anti-Israel website. Knock yourself out if this is where you want to get your information from.




I rarely go to that site but I was bored today and found that link and decided to read through some of it. I know one thing about the whole situation and that is there is more to it than what we hear in the states. I know that guy is very far left and you are very far right, so I imagine the truth resides somewhere in the middle.


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Re: Israel [Re: Catalysis]
    #5852155 - 07/12/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
I believe this was in response to hezbollah guerrillas attacking israeli troops at the border, killing 3 and kidnapping 1 or 2, bringing them deeper into lebanese territory.




Which is why threatening to destroy Lebanon's infastructure, effectively "turning back the clock for them twenty years" is justified. :grin:

Israel has force and has a righteous attitude that they are free to utilize it according to their whim. Boundaries and others' rights do not matter when they are purely within the realm of man, and God is on their side. :lol:

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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5852184 - 07/12/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Your points do not address Israel's current attacks on Lebanon, nor the direct threats they have made towards Lebanon, shit like "We'll set your country twenty years back" by destroying infastructure and shit. The status of the Gaza Strip seems to be disputed, but I'm pretty sure that Lebanon has rights as a sovereign nation, and Israel doesn't seem to have any justifiable right to outright invade another country.

I'm sorry, but in this day and age, the thought of war in such a manner is clearly not a productive means to accomplish anything.  America is proclaiming that Syria and Iran are responsible for the attacks, even though Israel is the one doing the attacking. I think there is concern that Israel will attack Syria as well....

Fuck Israel. This divisive Christian/Jew vs. Muslim bullshit is not beneficial for anyone involved. I think we need to respect each other and work together. America needs to play a more effective role in "securing democracy" by unifying and bringing resolution....

Excuse my rant. :lol:

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So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?


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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #5852239 - 07/12/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?




That's the key point right there. Hezbollah figured they'd pull off an attack while Israel was preoccupied with Gaza. They figured they'd get away with it. They figured wrong.

Hezbollah's action was an act of war, pure and simple. Israel has every right to respond by waging war on Hezbollah.



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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #5852250 - 07/12/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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downforpot said:
So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?




Clearly, only if President Lahud himself walked into Israel and attacked Israelites does it justify Israel doing anything to Lebanon.

Anything else is completely amoral!


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Re: Israel [Re: Phred]
    #5853776 - 07/13/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> Israel has every right to respond by waging war on Hezbollah.

But France just said that Israel's actions are "a disproportionate act of war". Of course, France is known for rolling over and giving up when they get attacked, so I guess this kind of makes sense.

> Clearly, only if President Lahud himself walked into Israel and attacked Israelites does it justify Israel doing anything to Lebanon.

Nope, not even then. See, Israel is bad, m'kay?... and anything Israel does is bad, m'kay? If somebody does something bad to Israel, then that is good, m'lay? You are following, so far? Where was I... oh yeah, Israel is bad, and ... :rollleyes:


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Re: Israel [Re: Seuss]
    #5853888 - 07/13/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so what you mean is that if i go to China and kidnap a few people, then china would be justified to start bombing the US back into the stone age?

yeah, it makes perfect sense. how could anyone disagree?  :rolleyes:







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Re: Israel [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5854055 - 07/13/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> so what you mean is that if i go to China and kidnap a few people, then china would be justified to start bombing the US back into the stone age?

Do you reach for the most inappropriate analogy, or do you really view the situtation as you describe?  Either way...  :rolleyes:

A better analogy would be along the lines of... so what you mean is that if Thaiwan, after declaring war on China, starts to go into China, from US military bases, with the blessing of the US, and kidnaps Chinese soldiers, then China would be justified to start bombing the US back into the stone age?  Certainly, China would be more than justified, assuming that the US was allowing the use of their land to stage attacks against the chinese military.


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Re: Israel [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5854232 - 07/13/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Mahmoud Abbas said this is a brand new regional conflict.


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Re: Israel [Re: Basilides]
    #5854419 - 07/13/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

WW3 is going to be fun, oh boy!


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Re: Israel [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5854431 - 07/13/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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so what you mean is that if i go to China and kidnap a few people, then china would be justified to start bombing the US back into the stone age?

yeah, it makes perfect sense. how could anyone disagree?  :rolleyes:







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Considering that most of the Muslim world wants all Jews dead... Do we want all the Chinese dead? Does China want US dead? Heh, China and USA have been spying on eachother non stop and the spies get caught in both countries every few years. The difference between China and USA is that one side doesn't want to exterminate the other side.

There was also the incident when China shut down one of our spy planes and captured the crew. Then we just talked it over and they returned all of the soldiers.


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    #5854452 - 07/13/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i wonder if nk will do something now that this has flared up,its their style


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    #5854873 - 07/13/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ummm.. am I the only one feeling like Israel is spitting sparks into the powderkeg that is the Middle East?
You're all so casual about it.


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    #5854883 - 07/13/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

to me it's not really worth worrying about,it's out of our hands,always has been
i think our attitudes are a sign that everyones sick of being blackmailed by that powderkeg and we might as well get it over with


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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5854890 - 07/13/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The Jews mishandled their gift 'Israel' from England and America after ww2. So I see no problem with taking back this 'gift' or give the Palestinians their country (back).
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    #5854936 - 07/13/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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    #5854948 - 07/13/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Ummm.. am I the only one feeling like Israel is spitting sparks into the powderkeg that is the Middle East?
You're all so casual about it.




In some ways it seems like the powder keg is increasing in size and honestly i'd rather get a flash burn than be blown to pieces.

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    #5855001 - 07/13/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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    #5855233 - 07/13/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The Jews mishandled their gift 'Israel' from England and America after ww2. So I see no problem with taking back this 'gift' or give the Palestinians their country (back).
Good recognition, btw :thumbup:




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    #5855237 - 07/13/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?




Um, Lebanon hasn't attacked anyone, although, by all rights, they should, since another country is destroying their airports, media network, and airbases because of the actions of a group in the country, and threatening to destroy their infrastructure to the point of "setting them back 20 years". :lol:

Wow, a group is firing rockets and capturing the occasional, dimwitted soldier, so lets go destroy an entire country. :rolleyes: Its, quite simply, a ploy for territory. In that context, it makes perfect sense.

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    #5855241 - 07/13/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The Jews mishandled their gift 'Israel' from England and America after ww2. So I see no problem with taking back this 'gift' or give the Palestinians their country (back).
Good recognition, btw :thumbup:




Who did Plastine originally belong to? I believe it was the Jews.




There was no Palestine. That area was a part of the Ottoman Empire.


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    #5855268 - 07/13/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?




Um, Lebanon hasn't attacked anyone, although, by all rights, they should, since another country is destroying their airports, media network, and airbases because of the actions of a group in the country, and threatening to destroy their infrastructure to the point of "setting them back 20 years". :lol:

Wow, a group is firing rockets and capturing the occasional, dimwitted soldier, so lets go destroy an entire country. :rolleyes: Its, quite simply, a ploy for territory. In that context, it makes perfect sense.

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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #5855287 - 07/13/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The Jews mishandled their gift 'Israel' from England and America after ww2. So I see no problem with taking back this 'gift' or give the Palestinians their country (back).
Good recognition, btw :thumbup:




Who did Plastine originally belong to? I believe it was the Jews.




There was no Palestine. That area was a part of the Ottoman Empire.




I was speaking of the General area. The Jews were the main inhabitants of the region long before Islam existed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Roman_times

The bible could also tell you this. :wink:


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    #5855296 - 07/13/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think it is referred to as a defense system, not an exceedingly overreactive offense. My point was that, so fucking what, Hezzbolah is lobbing crude rockets over the border, shoot them down. Don't put your soldiers in situations in which they can be kidnapped. You know, common sense, shit like that. :lol:

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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5855302 - 07/13/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Um, Lebanon hasn't attacked anyone, although, by all rights, they should, since another country is destroying their airports, media network, and airbases because of the actions of a group in the country, and threatening to destroy their infrastructure to the point of "setting them back 20 years".




Um, you do realize that Hezbollah is an active, recognized member of the Lebanese government, right? They hold several seats in parliament.

I would be very interested in your explanation as to how a political party in a government can openly attack another country without that government being held responsible. Even so, the argument that Israel should sit back and allow attacks to happen without retalition simply because terrorist organizations are only loosely affiliated with recognized governments (for obvious reasons) is a weak one at best.

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Re: Israel [Re: Catalysis]
    #5855348 - 07/13/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Um, you do realize that Hezbollah is an active, recognized member of the Lebanese government, right?  They hold several seats in parliament.




No, I was not aware of that. :lol: However, you make it seem as though there exists a uniform, conscious "state of Lebanon", but it certainly doesn't seem that way.

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BEIRUT, Lebanon -- Israel has held Lebanese leaders responsible for Hezbollah's capture of two soldiers, but the government here says it has no real control over the guerrillas - and taking action to rein them in could tear the country apart.

Wracked by divisions over relations with Syria, the Western-backed government of Prime Minister Fuad Saniora has yet to muster the political will, or the courage, to disarm the guerrillas of the Shiite Hezbollah, allowing them to continue to operate with almost total autonomy in southern Lebanon.

Successive Lebanese governments have maintained that replacing the guerrillas by Lebanese army troops would be tantamount to offering Israel a free service - protecting its northern border from guerrilla attacks.

Many in Lebanon - particularly opponents of its ally Syria - resent Hezbollah's free hand and feel that the government should do more to assert its authority. However, the dangers of taking on the group over its arms and the state-within-state role it has assumed in southern Lebanon carries serious risks.

"The 'state of Lebanon' held responsible by Israel for yesterday's Hezbollah operation does not exist and may never exist in the foreseeable future," wrote Sarkis Naoum, political editor of the Beirut daily An-Nahar, in a column Thursday.

"How can such a state exist when the war-and-peace decision is not in its hands and its influence on the Lebanese who have it, that's if indeed they have it, is little or in fact nonexistent?"

Denouncing Hezbollah as a "group of terrorists," President Bush alluded to the weakness of the Lebanese government in comments made in Germany on Thursday. He said Israel had a right to defend itself, but also expressed worries the Israeli assault could cause the fall of Lebanon's anti-Syrian government.

"We're concerned about the fragile democracy in Lebanon," he said.

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The Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah is seen by Lebanon's 1.2 million Shiite Muslims, the largest single community among Lebanon's diverse 4 million people, as the fruition of a long and painful journey to empowerment, emerging from the fringes of a society long dominated by Christians and Sunni Muslims to become a power to be reckoned with in the last 30 years.

With the name Hezbollah, or party of God, almost synonymous now with Lebanese Shiites, any attempt to disarm the organization or undermine its leverage in the Shiite-dominated south and east of Lebanon could firmly place Lebanon on the road to a second civil war, with the Shiites sure to feel that others are seeking to send them back to the political wilderness.

Disarming Hezbollah, listed as a terrorist organization by the United States, was called for in a U.N. Security Council resolution adopted in 2004, but Lebanese authorities, perhaps with an eye on the consequences of any unilateral action, have not implemented it, trying instead to reach national consensus on the issue.

Hezbollah's charismatic leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, has presented Lebanese leaders with a blueprint for a strategic defense strategy. The document, of which very little is known, remains on the agenda of national reconciliation talks that have made little progress since they started in March.

Still, the government has sought to distance itself from Hezbollah's latest action, saying it did not know in advance of the cross-border raid and doesn't support it.

Anticipating the government's stance, Nasrallah served it a warning Wednesday. "No one at home should act in a way that encourages the enemy to escalate against Lebanon," he told a news conference, adding that Hezbollah had no intention to drag Lebanon or the entire region to war.

Nasrallah, a cleric, has in the past used strong language when touching on the question of disarmament, recently warning that anyone who attempts to unilaterally take away his guerrillas' arms would have his arm cut off and eyes gauged.

Founded in 1982 with Iranian help, Hezbollah has evolved from a secretive group linked to a series of suicide bombings targeting U.S. installations in Lebanon and the kidnapping of some 50 Westerners in the 1980s. It later became a national resistance movement, waging a war of attrition against Israeli forces occupying a southern Lebanon border strip. Faced with rising casualties, Israel withdrew its army in 2000, ending a 22-year military presence there.

The withdrawal crowned Hezbollah as a heroic organization seen by many Lebanese as a liberator that won back territory without negotiations or concessions. The group has since focused on charity work in the south and the eastern Bekaa Valley, operating schools, hospitals, dental clinics and rebuilding roads and houses destroyed in fighting in the south.

It continues to fight for a small, disputed border area, the Chebaa Farms, through sporadic attacks in the area. But its association with Syria, widely blamed in Lebanon for the assassination last year of former prime minister Rafik Harairi, has hurt its standing.




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I would be very interested in your explanation as to how a political party in a government can openly attack another country without that government being held responsible.




First off, it isn't a political party that is openly attacking another country, it is a terrorist organization that has a political party. :lol:

For instance, imagine that the Confederate Army had shot cannons into Mexico, and Mexico threatens the United States, telling the United States government that it is responsible for the Confederacy's actions. :smirk: Not an entirely equal situation, but there are pronounced similarities here.

The United States, George W. Bush, has referred to Lebanon's government as a "fragile democracy". I'm exactly sure how a fragile democracy can be held responsible for actions carried out by a force inhabiting the country that receives funding and arms from neighboring countries and has received support from an amount of its citizens.

Apparently, standing up agansit Hezbollah would mean a civil war in Lebanon. Hezbollah is supported by Iran and Syria... I wonder if we should hold Lebanon accountable for Hezbollah's actions and divide the country up between Israel, Syria, and Iran. :rolleyes:

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  Even so, the argument that Israel should sit back and allow attacks to happen without retalition simply because terrorist organizations are only loosely affiliated with recognized governments (for obvious reasons) is a weak one at best.




I'm not sure where such an argument is taking place. I am proposing that, if Israel focused upon defendings its nation instead of actively seeking to expand it, it would not receive attacks, or it would be more capable of preventing such attacks from having any effect on its nation. George W. Bush proposes a missle defense system to protect the expansive United States, are you telling me that Israel is not capable of intercepting crude missles that terrorists are launching? It should be like smacking down flies with a fly swatter. :grin:

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Re: Israel [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5855357 - 07/13/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Founded in 1982 with Iranian help, Hezbollah has evolved from a secretive group linked to a series of suicide bombings targeting U.S. installations in Lebanon and the kidnapping of some 50 Westerners in the 1980s. It later became a national resistance movement, waging a war of attrition against Israeli forces occupying a southern Lebanon border strip. Faced with rising casualties, Israel withdrew its army in 2000, ending a 22-year military presence there.




That quote is from the article I just posted...

It seems to me that Israel has made Hezbollah into the force that it is right now, eh? It reminds me of Bill Hicks' bit about arming the armies of the world in order to fight them. Israel occupies another country, causing the formation of a national resistance movement, and then wonders why they have a group shooting missles at them. :lol:

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    #5855381 - 07/13/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's about time Isreal flexed it's muscles. This has been a long time coming.


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    #5855393 - 07/13/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Um, I think Israel's flexing its muscles is what has brought this current circumstance, correct me if I am wrong (hey, I just might be, I'm no historian). :wink:

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    #5855408 - 07/13/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

When all the the Islamic extremists have been exterminated, then there will be peace.

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    #5855410 - 07/13/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No I believe all of the homocide bombings, kidnappings, missles fired into civilian houses, car bombs, etc. had to do with it.


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    #5855434 - 07/13/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly, such is the web of cause and effect in such a circumstance, just like Northern Ireland. Someone does this because they did that and they did that because someone did that...

I personally hold Israel accountable for rising above this, considering that they are an established nation with resources and influence. Perhaps if the Jews accepted the New Testament, they would not still be exchanging an eye for an eye, which is an accurate representation of the situation.

I'm sorry, but individuals living in povery aren't exactly the most aware and understanding people, and when you start destroying them and their land, they aren't going to care who was right - in doing so, you are simply creating more terrorists and furthering the terrorists cause.

Perhaps if Israel would stop reacting and start responding, true resolution could begin. Why does Israel not empower a struggling, fragile nation like Lebanon in order to give Lebanon what it needs to eliminate the terrorists that occupy it? Why does Israel not defend itself and prevent situations like this from erupting? I truly believe it is their responsibility to do so, for the benefit of themselves and everyone involved, instead of brazenly reacting with bombs and ploys to expand territory.

I don't know, perhaps that would make too much sense. One should not actively seek out war. :shrug:

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    #5855452 - 07/13/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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It's about time Isreal flexed it's muscles. This has been a long time coming.




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One should not actively seek out war. :shrug:





They were not actively seeking out war. Hezbollah "invaded" their country and captured two of their soldiers, not the other way around. Technically Hezbollah declared war on Israel in doing so. Iran has also stated they would like to whipe Israel off the map. The actions Israel is taking by hitting strategic Hezbollah locations is not unjustified. It's not like they are bombing on civilian homes.

How would you feel if somebody came into your home and took a family member hostage? Would you not be enraged? Would you not do everything in your power to retaliate against the captor's knowing they are probably going to kill your family members regardless? You can sit here behind your monitor saying anything you want but when the shit hits the fan it gets real and you have to make spur of the moment strategic decisions.


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    #5855463 - 07/13/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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When all the the Islamic extremists have been exterminated, then there will be peace.




This is about as useful as a Muslim saying there will only be peace when all the Jewish extremists are exterminated. There will be peace when the foundation of the conflict is finally resolved, not when a shit load of people have been killed. For every dead terrorist another Arab kid takes his place. Waging war until the doves come is like fucking in the name of chastity.


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    #5855464 - 07/13/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I personally hold Israel accountable for rising above this, considering that they are an established nation with resources and influence. Perhaps if the Jews accepted the New Testament, they would not still be exchanging an eye for an eye, which is an accurate representation of the situation.


it's easy to say that they should rise above it when it's not you who is being blown up. This is where many Americans fall short with this logic.

I'm sorry, but individuals living in povery aren't exactly the most aware and understanding people, and when you start destroying them and their land, they aren't going to care who was right - in doing so, you are simply creating more terrorists and furthering the terrorists cause.

So in essence, you're saying that the Palestinians are idiots and they just don't know better? Interesting thought. Every human has the ability to know that it's wrong to go into a mall full of woman and children and blow them up. Terrorists exist for one major reason: Radical Islamics (which is becoming more main stream).

Perhaps if Israel would stop reacting and start responding, true resolution could begin.

hippy logic. They have been taking it on the chin for decades, I would love to wager that if they stopped going into Israel and bombing innocent people then the war would stop. It's very simple.

Why does Israel not empower a struggling, fragile nation like Lebanon in order to give Lebanon what it needs to eliminate the terrorists that occupy it?

well one, Lebanon wanted Israel out. With that said, why is it Israel that needs to support them? Are they so ignorant as to support themselves? Where are the other muslim nations? seems to me if you eliminate Iran and Syria from the equation, most of the problems would be solved.

Why does Israel not defend itself and prevent situations like this from erupting?

WTF?seems to me they are doing just that

I don't know, perhaps that would make too much sense. One should not actively seek out war.

seems that the Palestinian are seeking a war against an enemy far better than them selves. then again they are used to suicide.


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    #5855473 - 07/13/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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No I believe all of the homocide bombings, kidnappings, missles fired into civilian houses, car bombs, etc. had to do with it.




Yeah, Israel isn't doing anything to have such things coming, like um...I dunno, occupying another country illegally.  :rolleyes:

The fact is, Israel murders way way way more Palestinians than vice versa. They kidnap the Palestinians (arresting  :rolleyes: lol) and you may say they are terrorists, but what is an IDF soldier to you if your Palestinian? They blow up essential infrastructure, block roadways with with incoming air, etc. etc.

What else can the palestinians do? They don't have the most powerful country in the world on their side, or 3 billion $$$ aid coming in from them.

If I were a Palestinian, and my whole family was blown up, I would probably want revenge too.


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    #5855476 - 07/13/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, judging by your sig, you payed for those muscles, so I would want to see them used too.




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    #5855485 - 07/13/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is more exciting than the World Cup


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    #5855489 - 07/13/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Palestanians Deaths vs Israeli Death. September 28th, 2000 - February 15, 2006
[Total Number of Palestinian deaths] : 4209

Children: 892
Women : 273
Men : 3044
[Palestinians killed by Jewish settlers] 72

[Palestinians killed as a result of Israeli shelling] : 837

[Deaths as a result of medical prevention at Israeli checkpoints] : 117

Of them stillbirths (born dead at checkpoints) : 31
[Number of Palestinians extra-judicially assassinated] : 561

Of them bystanders killed during extra-judicial operations: 253
[Total Number Israeli deaths]: 1113

Children : 113
Women : 305
Men : 603
Settlers : 213
Soldiers : 322

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_against_Israel_in_2003


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    #5855546 - 07/13/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Published: 07/11/2006 12:00 AM (UAE)
Israel 'is using chemical ammunition'
By Duraid Al Baik, Foreign Editor

http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Middl.../10052824.html

Dubai: A doctor at a Palestinian hospital has accused Israel of using a type of chemical ammunition which causes burns and injuries in soft tissue and cannot be traced by X-ray.

Chemical or depleted uranium could have been used in producing the new type of ammunition according to Dr Jomaa Al Saqqa, head of the Emergency Unit at Gaza's main medical facility, the Al Shifa Hospital...........


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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5855555 - 07/13/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You forgot to mention how many of those Palestinian deaths were a direct result of violent acts against Israel.


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    #5855569 - 07/13/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How many? 100, 200? so what.


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    #5855928 - 07/13/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Who did Plastine originally belong to? I believe it was the Jews.




So by this logic we should give america back to the native american indians right?


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    #5855968 - 07/13/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is more exciting than the World Cup

so is clipping my nails.


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    #5855974 - 07/13/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I guess that was an ignorant comment to make. The Jews originally occupied the area and they were given the area back after WWII. Shit happens and the Muslims need to get over it already.

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    #5856000 - 07/13/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, Israel isn't doing anything to have such things coming, like um...I dunno, occupying another country illegally.




Illegally? Who says? It seems to be a few countries thought it would be a good idea to try and invade Isreal, how'd that work out for them? With that logic the US is also illegally occupying another country.

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What else can the palestinians do? They don't have the most powerful country in the world on their side, or 3 billion $$$ aid coming in from them.




oh i don't know, perhaps they should stop initiating battles with a far superior military, stop targeting civilians or coming into Isreal to wage war.

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If I were a Palestinian, and my whole family was blown up, I would probably want revenge too.




I'm sure Isreal wants the same in return.


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    #5856074 - 07/13/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So what floats your boat then


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    #5856079 - 07/13/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

With that logic the US is also illegally occupying another country.

Hahahahaha


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    #5856720 - 07/14/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Illegally? Who says?

The UN? When Israel occupies a country and the UN passes resolutions condemning it the US vetoes them and ignores it. When Saddam does it suddenly they start screaming. What gives?

oh i don't know, perhaps they should stop initiating battles with a far superior military

I know the US prefers taking on third world countries about as powerful as the Hare Krishna's but not everyone has that luxury. Sometimes you have to fight against the odds.

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    #5856991 - 07/14/06 04:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> How many? 100, 200? so what.

Never mind... if you are so twisted by bigotry that you have to ask, it isn't worth my time to explain.


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    #5857131 - 07/14/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Palestanians Deaths vs Israeli Death. September 28th, 2000 - February 15, 2006
[Total Number of Palestinian deaths] : 4209

Children: 892
Women : 273
Men : 3044
[Palestinians killed by Jewish settlers] 72

[Palestinians killed as a result of Israeli shelling] : 837

[Deaths as a result of medical prevention at Israeli checkpoints] : 117

Of them stillbirths (born dead at checkpoints) : 31
[Number of Palestinians extra-judicially assassinated] : 561

Of them bystanders killed during extra-judicial operations: 253
[Total Number Israeli deaths]: 1113

Children : 113
Women : 305
Men : 603
Settlers : 213
Soldiers : 322

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_against_Israel_in_2003






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Re: Israel [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5857388 - 07/14/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Is anybody else as excited about this as I am?

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    #5857406 - 07/14/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I sure am. This can only lead to the freedom to grow and smoke Marijuanna!

No governments left? No laws! Horray!!!


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    #5857459 - 07/14/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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> How many? 100, 200? so what.

Never mind... if you are so twisted by bigotry that you have to ask, it isn't worth my time to explain.




No, I'm twisted by the fact that Israel doesn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of the world, because of the Holocaust(TM). The Holocaust was a terrible thing, but whats worse, is the fact that Israelis today exploit it for their benefit. Germany is STILL paying retribution, if I was a German youth(hell even a German in their 50's), paying taxes for something I had no part in, I would be pretty pissed.

I guess I am biased, I hate Israel and all the shit they stir up, and all their constant whining. There is a reason Jews have been expelled from over 40 kingdoms over the course of history.

Let me get one thing strait, Jewish people I have met here in Canada all seem to be pretty nice, decent people. Its something about their leadership(Zionists) that piss me off to no end.

Now that we have my bias out of the way, I will point out, Israeli deaths are a direct result of occupying Palestine ILLEGALLY!!!!! IT IS NOTHING LIKE THE NATIVES IN NORTH AMERICA, YOU GOT THAT(this is for the idiot who made such a claim)

Back to you Seuss, I can appreciate the Israelis situation, being surrounded by enemies, but really, Israel has such a great military, they are not in much danger(on the whole). Lets not forget they are the only ones with nukes.

It is up to Israel to end the cycle of violence, by leaving the sovereign state of Palestine, to its own rule!


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    #5857576 - 07/14/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think Jews being expelled from many countries over the past has anything to do with stirring up shit. That is for another thread, though.

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    #5857579 - 07/14/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You don't eh....People don't just get kicked out of countries, over and over and over and over just because they're different. You are right though, that is for another thread.

Anyway, this could be the start of the end, and if those nukes start raining down, you can bet your ass I will be cursing Israels name.


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    #5857586 - 07/14/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

N. Korea test fires a missle, the U.S. gets all huffy. Israel bombs a country, it's O.K. because someone kidnapped someone.


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857590 - 07/14/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you Micro, that is what I am talking about. This unconditional support of Israel will be the USA's downfall, IMO.


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    #5857598 - 07/14/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Actually Unconstitutional support too. Because it threatens U.S. security to allow Israel a blank check to use U.S. provided arms to wreak havok on their neighbors.


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    #5857603 - 07/14/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Right again Microcosmatrix. When will Americans wake up and realize, they don't owe Israel shit.

Its almost as though Americans have been brain washed, but that's not possible, Israelis would have to own the American Media.....Oh wait a second.


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    #5857604 - 07/14/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What part of the constitution does supporting Israel go against?

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    #5857607 - 07/14/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The part where it says The US government will only work in the best interest of the people.

They are clearly working in the best interest of Israel, which is having a negative impact on Americans abroad (IRAQ) and at home (9/11).


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    #5857616 - 07/14/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Though I am not of this persuasion, one could say that being involved in the Middle East via proxy through Israel is in our best interests.

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    #5857620 - 07/14/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.

But it's not "supporting them" that we're doing, we've basically turned a blind eye to whatever they're doing and basically said "Go for it! Fuck some shit up!!".

Well, that's not support. Support includes guidance and helping an ally choose diplomacy over aggression to arrive at a peaceful solution.

Because we have provided them with weapons for their own protection, we are responsible if they decide to use them to wage an offensive. Therefore we should be providing guidance to them at this point, but instead Bush says he's "not going to make military decisions for them".


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    #5857623 - 07/14/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?


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    #5857624 - 07/14/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Very well said Micro, I agree fully.


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    #5857625 - 07/14/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?




"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.


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    #5857639 - 07/14/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Which amendment, lol


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    #5857648 - 07/14/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's in the preamble..

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Allowing close allys to start WWIII does very little for the general welfare, don't you agree? :lol:


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    #5857664 - 07/14/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?




"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.



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Re: Israel [Re: Silversoul]
    #5857679 - 07/14/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?




"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.



That's the Declaration of Independence.




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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857833 - 07/14/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If any government sponsors the kidnapping directly or indirectly, of another countries military personal,they should expect retaliation.


Would the Jews just all of a sudden invade Lebanon for the hell of it?
No.

If you do not want to be invaded by the Jews, dont try and kidnap them!!!!!!!


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    #5857835 - 07/14/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The Jews mishandled their gift 'Israel' from England and America after ww2. So I see no problem with taking back this 'gift' or give the Palestinians their country (back).
Good recognition, btw :thumbup:




Who did Palestine originally belong to? I believe it was the Jews.



Generally I would say, there were all kind of religious and ethnic groups in this region living in peace and interested understanding, ruled in time by different 'territorial' leaders, before wwII and the 'founding' of Israel in this territory, splitting 'Arabs' and 'Jews' (this split by this kind of differing is true, but for me not quite understandable).

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    #5857836 - 07/14/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Tell it to all of the people we "kidnapped" and put in Guantanamo Bay.


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    #5857906 - 07/14/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Tell it to all of the people we "kidnapped" and put in Guantanamo Bay.




Please name one. Or has the EEEEEVIL government also kidnapped Terry Nichols.


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Re: Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5857925 - 07/14/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just saying, it's a slanted standard based on word games...

Iraq "invades" Israel "enters".
Arabs "kidnap" Israel "captures".
N. Korea "provokes" Israel "defends themselves".

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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857934 - 07/14/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> If you do not want to be invaded by the Jews, dont try and kidnap them!!!!!!!
> Tell it to all of the people we "kidnapped" and put in Guantanamo Bay.

This is annoying because I agree with pretty much both of statements.  Although many/most of the people at Guantanamo deserve to be detained, the secretive manner in which it has been carried out is simply wrong.  If the US would lead by example, then this would not be an issue.

However, getting back on topic... I don't see how those being detained at Guantanamo have anything to do with this topic... other than your "kidnapped" connection, which by itself, adds nothing.

Edit: Never mind... :grin:  (I'm too slow in posting...)

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    #5858425 - 07/14/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Now that we have my bias out of the way, I will point out, Israeli deaths are a direct result of occupying Palestine ILLEGALLY!!!!! IT IS NOTHING LIKE THE NATIVES IN NORTH AMERICA, YOU GOT THAT(this is for the idiot who made such a claim)




I think you seriously read that wrong. I was NOT saying isreal's occupation of palestine is "like what the native american's went through". Take a deep breath dude. Your jumping all over me because you failed to read something I posted correctly.

To clear it up, a previous poster tried to point out that the jews lived there first some hundreds of years ago. I was trying to point out, if the land truly "belongs" to the jews because they lived there hundreds of years ago, by that logic we should have to give america back to the native american indians since they lived here hundreds of years ago.

The point I was trying to make is that the jews have absolutely no claim whatsoever to that land. They took it after ww2, definitely NOT hundreds of years ago. So to say the jews have a rightful claim to it is total bullshit. Just like any native american indian's claim to america is bullshit since we've done lived here for 200 years now. I have no control over what the europeans did when they got here, I live here now and it's not my fault where I was born.

However, there are still people left in isreal who took part in the original take over of that land. And there are still palestinians left who were part of the original eviction. Thus they are still fighting. Maybe 200 years from now when they start ww3 and everything is reduced to rubble and their children are born into bombed out gutters they can rightfully enjoy their wonderful sandbox.


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    #5858949 - 07/14/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So what floats your boat then




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    #5858960 - 07/14/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The UN? When Israel occupies a country and the UN passes resolutions condemning it the US vetoes them and ignores it.




If the US vetos it then the U.N. doesn't think it's illegal, isn't that all part of the UN system?

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I know the US prefers taking on third world countries about as powerful as the Hare Krishna's but not everyone has that luxury. Sometimes you have to fight against the odds.




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    #5858972 - 07/14/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You know, I started to realize, that this place sure seems to
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N. Korea test fires a missle, the U.S. gets all huffy. Israel bombs a country, it's O.K. because someone kidnapped someone.




never mind the fact that they initiated this battle...I do recall these resolutions concerning N. Korea headed by Japan, they're pretty huffy.


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    #5858981 - 07/14/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.




What if we're happy to support Isreal?


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    #5858983 - 07/14/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What if we lose our lives doing it?


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    #5859000 - 07/14/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What if...


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    #5859013 - 07/14/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The risk is too great. We can't allow Israel to flatten the middle east


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    #5859029 - 07/14/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

why not? Risks of what? To whom? The muslims will kill whoever they please for whatever reason their stupid book tells them to.


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Re: Israel [Re: Innvertigo]
    #5859058 - 07/14/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Mi- interpretation or self righteus interpretation is dangerous with any religion. Western religious books are just as "stupid" as Eastern ones.


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    #5859068 - 07/14/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Mi- interpretation or self righteus interpretation is dangerous with any religion. Western religious books are just as "stupid" as Eastern ones.




but, the true, one and only God, only wrote one book.
The Holy Bible.

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    #5859110 - 07/14/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Mi- interpretation or self righteus interpretation is dangerous with any religion. Western religious books are just as "stupid" as Eastern ones.





Then again you don't see too many Jihads in the west. A couple crazies sure, but nothing like the Islamics, that can't be argued.


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    #5859135 - 07/14/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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why not? Risks of what? To whom? The muslims will kill whoever they please for whatever reason their stupid book tells them to.




:lol:

Several people in this thread have already expressed bigotry agansit either Muslims or Jews, thereby exhibiting in their behavior the source of this situation. Go on, give yourself some applause.  :congrats:

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    #5859156 - 07/14/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what bigotry? Mine?


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    #5859202 - 07/14/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What, the bigotry? Yes, it is still in effect... external conflict stems from internal conflict and division. It isn't difficult to figure out! :grin:

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    #5859223 - 07/14/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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What, the bigotry? Yes, it is still in effect... external conflict stems from internal conflict and division. It isn't difficult to figure out!
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    #5859231 - 07/14/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Whatever you say Plato, I guess if you have a philosopical phrase, that with explain it all. This bigotry you speak of tends to fall on the side of those that started this tiff.


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    #5859304 - 07/14/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How is your bigotry any different than Muslim hatred of Jews?


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    #5859352 - 07/14/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I beg of you, point out where my bigotry is. If I agree with what Isreal does, that makes me a bigot?


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Re: Israel [Re: Innvertigo]
    #5859384 - 07/14/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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This bigotry you speak of tends to fall on the side of those that started this tiff.




Exactly. Both sides point the finger at the other and accuse them of being the one who started it. For all we know, things were just fine, Jews, Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs, Greeks, other minorities, all living together in the same land, until the Jews started actively pursuing the establishment of their own country, and Britian started to make it happen...

What came first, the chicken or the egg? Who the fuck knows (or cares) who started this tift? Transcending this situation isn't going to occur through pointing fingers at who started it while bombing each other, and it won't occur when everyone is dead. :rolleyes:

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    #5859390 - 07/14/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I beg of you, point out where my bigotry is. If I agree with what Isreal does, that makes me a bigot?




No, making statements such as this suggest that you may tend towards bigotry...

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The muslims will kill whoever they please for whatever reason their stupid book tells them to.




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The muslims will kill whoever they please for whatever reason their stupid book tells them to.




Replace Muslims with "Jews" and even a flatfish can read between the lines. :rolleyes:


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    #5859472 - 07/14/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The muslims will kill whoever they please for whatever reason their stupid book tells them to.




I mentioned earlier of Islamic extremists, not all muslims want westeners dead. Just as i know Christians, Budist, etc. extremists do not represent the whole.


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    #5859482 - 07/14/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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why not? Risks of what? To whom? The muslims will kill whoever they please for whatever reason their stupid book tells them to.




Israel is our ally. If Russia and China see Israel pwning the middle east, they will view it as the U.S. is taking over all the OIL and they WILL jump in it.


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    #5859496 - 07/14/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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:wink:ha, not quite..


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    #5859539 - 07/14/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i'll lean forward then.


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    #6060844 - 09/14/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Fuck Israel.




Here here. Fucking hell they're behaving shockingly. http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-faq.html


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    #6061691 - 09/14/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Did you know it is illegal in the USA to boycott anything related Israeli business.

How fucked up is that?


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6061724 - 09/14/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, I didn't. Got a link?


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Re: Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6061781 - 09/14/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.bis.doc.gov/news/2002/umustcomply11_4_02.htm

There you go.

Fines can be levvied against anyone who writes in support of the arab boycott of Israeli products.

Businesses can be fined for not reporting boycott requests.

I don't see how I'm not within my rights as an individual to support any boycott, arab or otherwise. It's one of the few sources of leverage a consumer slave can ever expect to have.

I am surprised you don't know this, I will start a thread to alert others!


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6061998 - 09/14/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It does seem fucked up but it is not exactly as you characterized it in your original post, is it?

"which prohibit U.S. persons from taking actions in support of unsanctioned foreign government boycotts,"

I'm curious as to whether this applies only to Israel or whether it is a general effort to prevent individuals and businesses from interfering with foreign policy. The link is very short and not very informative.


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Re: Israel [Re: mr_kite]
    #6062012 - 09/14/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, no matter how great the urge to reply to a thread is, if it's over a month old leave it alone, LOL


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Re: Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6063260 - 09/14/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I did get a little over zealous with my earlier generalization, but it never ceases to amaze me how nobody knows about this. You would think this would make the 6 o'clock news at least once, being a violation of the constitution and all. I wonder why it has never been mentioned, then again, it probably just got overlooked. :rolleyes:

The link says all it needs to.

The fact remains, it is US law that to support any boycott of Israel,  is to face fines and possible jail time. I read somewhere the maximum penalty is 5 years in prison, no link, just memory. I will look for more info though.

I wouldn't mind finding a document with the actual laws and penalties, but I don't think it will be easy to find, for reasons which you can guess.

So people, if you had family killed in the USS Liberty massacre, hate the constant human rights violations, or just hate having your taxes given to a foreign 1st world nation, there isn't much you can do about it. The basic right to support a boycott of ONE THING, is illegal.

Hell You could support a boycott of US made products, and that is legal(I am assuming). WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Edited by alpharedecho (09/14/06 11:53 PM)

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063310 - 09/15/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, I guess you don't understand how this great country works.


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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #6063338 - 09/15/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

WOW, such a great country when the government is more loyal to a foreign one than their own.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063355 - 09/15/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not exactly. Most Americans see Israel as an extension of the US in the Middle East. That is why most Americans support Israel's struggle for independence.

And it's not about loyalty. It's about making sure that arab countries have no say on US foreign and domestic policy.


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Edited by downforpot (09/15/06 12:21 AM)

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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #6063356 - 09/15/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So why is it legal to support a boycott of the USA, but not Israel?


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063368 - 09/15/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Because US citizens can when a US company pisses them off. In the case of Israel it is the arabs telling Americans what to do... Therefore the arabs are infringing on our foreign policy.


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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #6063385 - 09/15/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

1) What IF, somebody wanted to boycott Israel because they had a relative die on the USS liberty?

2) Arabs telling the Americans what to do?? AHAHAHAA

3) What if I wanted to support a boycott of Israel because it was my god given right?

You can answer all 3 can't you? Or will you just go off topic with something unrelated?
What about American Arabs?

Honestly, do you actually believe the things you type?


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6063390 - 09/15/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

1) What IF, somebody wanted to boycott Israel because they had a relative die on the USS liberty?
I doubt that the government would care about a few family members.
2) Arabs telling the Americans what to do?? AHAHAHAA
Well that is what they are doing... They want Americans to boycott Israel.
3) What if I wanted to support a boycott of Israel because it was my god given right?
It might be your god given right to kill some1 for killing your family member but you will still go to jail.



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Edited by downforpot (09/15/06 12:34 AM)

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Re: Israel [Re: downforpot]
    #6063395 - 09/15/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are hopeless. I can't wait until people get here tomorrow and read this.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6065917 - 09/15/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


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Edited by Luddite (09/15/06 07:27 PM)

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