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OfflineMicrocosmatrix
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Re: Israel [Re: Redstorm]
    #5857620 - 07/14/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.

But it's not "supporting them" that we're doing, we've basically turned a blind eye to whatever they're doing and basically said "Go for it! Fuck some shit up!!".

Well, that's not support. Support includes guidance and helping an ally choose diplomacy over aggression to arrive at a peaceful solution.

Because we have provided them with weapons for their own protection, we are responsible if they decide to use them to wage an offensive. Therefore we should be providing guidance to them at this point, but instead Bush says he's "not going to make military decisions for them".


That, in and of itself is impeachable IMO.


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857623 - 07/14/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857624 - 07/14/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Very well said Micro, I agree fully.


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Re: Israel [Re: Basilides]
    #5857625 - 07/14/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Basilides said:
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Microcosmatrix said:
The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?




"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857639 - 07/14/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Which amendment, lol


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Re: Israel [Re: Basilides]
    #5857648 - 07/14/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's in the preamble..

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Allowing close allys to start WWIII does very little for the general welfare, don't you agree? :lol:


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857664 - 07/14/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
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Basilides said:
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Microcosmatrix said:
The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?




"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.



That's the Declaration of Independence.


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Re: Israel [Re: Silversoul]
    #5857679 - 07/14/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
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Microcosmatrix said:
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Basilides said:
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Microcosmatrix said:
The part that says that the government has to do what is in the best interests of America.





I'm reading the United States Constitution right now, can you point out the specific amendment you're talking about?




"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.



That's the Declaration of Independence.




hush  :grin:

I knew that was coming. I always mix 'em up when I'm stoned.. :lol:


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857833 - 07/14/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If any government sponsors the kidnapping directly or indirectly, of another countries military personal,they should expect retaliation.


Would the Jews just all of a sudden invade Lebanon for the hell of it?
No.

If you do not want to be invaded by the Jews, dont try and kidnap them!!!!!!!


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Re: Israel [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #5857835 - 07/14/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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mattzdope said:
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The Jews mishandled their gift 'Israel' from England and America after ww2. So I see no problem with taking back this 'gift' or give the Palestinians their country (back).
Good recognition, btw :thumbup:




Who did Palestine originally belong to? I believe it was the Jews.



Generally I would say, there were all kind of religious and ethnic groups in this region living in peace and interested understanding, ruled in time by different 'territorial' leaders, before wwII and the 'founding' of Israel in this territory, splitting 'Arabs' and 'Jews' (this split by this kind of differing is true, but for me not quite understandable).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel


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Re: Israel [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5857836 - 07/14/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Tell it to all of the people we "kidnapped" and put in Guantanamo Bay.


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857906 - 07/14/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Tell it to all of the people we "kidnapped" and put in Guantanamo Bay.




Please name one. Or has the EEEEEVIL government also kidnapped Terry Nichols.


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Re: Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5857925 - 07/14/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just saying, it's a slanted standard based on word games...

Iraq "invades" Israel "enters".
Arabs "kidnap" Israel "captures".
N. Korea "provokes" Israel "defends themselves".

The list goes on and on..


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5857934 - 07/14/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> If you do not want to be invaded by the Jews, dont try and kidnap them!!!!!!!
> Tell it to all of the people we "kidnapped" and put in Guantanamo Bay.

This is annoying because I agree with pretty much both of statements.  Although many/most of the people at Guantanamo deserve to be detained, the secretive manner in which it has been carried out is simply wrong.  If the US would lead by example, then this would not be an issue.

However, getting back on topic... I don't see how those being detained at Guantanamo have anything to do with this topic... other than your "kidnapped" connection, which by itself, adds nothing.

Edit: Never mind... :grin:  (I'm too slow in posting...)

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Re: Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5858425 - 07/14/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Now that we have my bias out of the way, I will point out, Israeli deaths are a direct result of occupying Palestine ILLEGALLY!!!!! IT IS NOTHING LIKE THE NATIVES IN NORTH AMERICA, YOU GOT THAT(this is for the idiot who made such a claim)




I think you seriously read that wrong. I was NOT saying isreal's occupation of palestine is "like what the native american's went through". Take a deep breath dude. Your jumping all over me because you failed to read something I posted correctly.

To clear it up, a previous poster tried to point out that the jews lived there first some hundreds of years ago. I was trying to point out, if the land truly "belongs" to the jews because they lived there hundreds of years ago, by that logic we should have to give america back to the native american indians since they lived here hundreds of years ago.

The point I was trying to make is that the jews have absolutely no claim whatsoever to that land. They took it after ww2, definitely NOT hundreds of years ago. So to say the jews have a rightful claim to it is total bullshit. Just like any native american indian's claim to america is bullshit since we've done lived here for 200 years now. I have no control over what the europeans did when they got here, I live here now and it's not my fault where I was born.

However, there are still people left in isreal who took part in the original take over of that land. And there are still palestinians left who were part of the original eviction. Thus they are still fighting. Maybe 200 years from now when they start ww3 and everything is reduced to rubble and their children are born into bombed out gutters they can rightfully enjoy their wonderful sandbox.


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Re: Israel [Re: Basilides]
    #5858949 - 07/14/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So what floats your boat then




Hockey, American Football, Basketball.......and jarts


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Re: Israel [Re: Alex213]
    #5858960 - 07/14/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The UN? When Israel occupies a country and the UN passes resolutions condemning it the US vetoes them and ignores it.




If the US vetos it then the U.N. doesn't think it's illegal, isn't that all part of the UN system?

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I know the US prefers taking on third world countries about as powerful as the Hare Krishna's but not everyone has that luxury. Sometimes you have to fight against the odds.




bailed your asses out a time or two....remember?


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5858972 - 07/14/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You know, I started to realize, that this place sure seems to
be a breeding ground, for the next rising of the Nazi,s.

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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5858975 - 07/14/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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N. Korea test fires a missle, the U.S. gets all huffy. Israel bombs a country, it's O.K. because someone kidnapped someone.




never mind the fact that they initiated this battle...I do recall these resolutions concerning N. Korea headed by Japan, they're pretty huffy.


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Re: Israel [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5858981 - 07/14/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." That part.




What if we're happy to support Isreal?


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