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Is free to enter other nations and destroy infastructure? I mean, hell, the United States has been doing it, but still, what the fuck? 
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Israel answers to no one. They are gods chosen people you know.
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I thought the U.S. had rebuilt all that infrastructure destroyed in Iraq. At least that's what I saw on Fox News...
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Not all of it, but they are working on it. Do you think Israel with rebuild Palestine when they are through blowing it up?
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fireworks_god said: Is free to enter other nations and destroy infastructure? I mean, hell, the United States has been doing it, but still, what the fuck? 
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If you kidnap my friend or family member I'll kill your entire family, how's that?
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That sounds like Israel.
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alpharedecho said: That sounds like Israel.
Or if you fuck with me then I start war. That sounds like America during the War for Independence. Even though this has nothing to do with the War for Independence....
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Doubtful.
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Here is someone's reply to a thread about isreal on another forum. Thought it was pretty interesting if true, anyone that can debunk it? I'm not sure how much truth there is to it, though it certainly smells of more fact than fiction.
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The main reason for the Gaza pull out was to pitch Israel as the concession and peace maker. 8,000 settlers lived illegally on 40% of Palestinian land in the Gaza strip, while 1.3 million Palestinians lived on the other 60%. The pullout was not a concession, it was Israeli finally, and just a little, abiding by international law. At the time, we were treated, via the mainstream media, to endless pictures of poor settlers being wrenched from their homes, with teary-eyed soldiers doing the hard job.
All of it was one big propaganda ploy, to convince us that Israel was making this difficult unilateral consession to palestinians, that they were giving Gaza back to the Palestinians and that Gazans were not free to decide their own future, and that it was now the duty of the palestinians to give something back. But nothing was said about the fact that the settlers were illegally living on stolen palestinian land and that they were getting, on average, $200,000 per family to relocate to Israel.
Since, or rather despire of, the pullout, the Israeli army has maintained its stranglehold on Gaza, controlling, and usually preventing, Gazans from leaving Gaza to go anywhere. Remember, Gaza is a 30 mile long by 8 mile wide strip of land with 1.4 million Palestinians living in seriously cramped conditions. Since the pullout, Palestinians are still completely dependent on Israel to allow food and supplies to enter Gaza. Israel has regularly stopped such supplies in order to punish Gazans, for some trumpted up reason. Since the pullout, Israel has regularly fired hundreds of missiles per week into Gaza. In a two week period in May, the IDF fired 2,000 missiles. When Hamas was democratically elected in January this year, Israel persuaded the int. community to stop all payments to Hamas and the PA. because Hamas was a "terrorist organisation". Israel had already destroyed Gaza's economy, leaving them wholly dependent on outside aid, which has now been cut off to almost nothing.
For the past 16 months, Hamas had been holding to a unilateral ceasefire, even while Israel continued to murder palestinian civilians. Over the course of the middle two weeks of June, Israeli forces murdered 23 Palestinian civilians, including a family of seven picnicing on the beach. Then, the day before the Hamas attack on an Israeli lookout post just inside Israel on the southern border of Gaza, Israeli forces entered Gaza and kidnapped and jailed two Hamas politicians. This and the killings, prompted Hamas to carry out their attack in which they kidnapped an Israeli soldier.
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2220&p=2
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RosettaStoned said: Here is someone's reply to a thread about isreal on another forum. Thought it was pretty interesting if true, anyone that can debunk it? I'm not sure how much truth there is to it, though it certainly smells of more fact than fiction.
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The main reason for the Gaza pull out was to pitch Israel as the concession and peace maker.
Pitch it? They made a concession. A real one. And then what happened? The residents elected a terrorist group into power, launched regular rocket attacks and murdered and kidnapped Israeli soldiers on the other side of the border. Yep, Israel sure won some real PR battles. If you think PR counts for more than lives, it's a win for Israel.Quote:
8,000 settlers lived illegally
Bullshit and bullshit. They gained this land from Egypt in a war. Are you gonna give Texas back? There was no legal authority that said the 8,000 couldn't live there. Pragmatism suggested that they get out, not some spurious legal authority.Quote:
on 40% of Palestinian land in the Gaza strip
See above, and they should have thrown them all out when they won. Except none of their fine Arab brethren would have them and there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth that, for some unknown reason, Israel gave a shit about. It was not Palestinian land.Quote:
, while 1.3 million Palestinians lived on the other 60%. The pullout was not a concession, it was Israeli finally, and just a little, abiding by international law.
There was no international law at hand. It was acceding to pragmatism, nothing more, nothing less.Quote:
At the time, we were treated, via the mainstream media, to endless pictures of poor settlers being wrenched from their homes, with teary-eyed soldiers doing the hard job.
I don't have much sympathy for them. They were religious zealots who occupied a shithole because they had some notion that they had a divine right to it. Their government had a right to occupy the territory as a spoil of war and a right to give it back. 8,000 dipshits cannot make national policy against the interests of the entire nation as determined by their leadership. I also believe that they were compensated. So, too bad.Quote:
All of it was one big propaganda ploy, to convince us that Israel was making this difficult unilateral consession to palestinians, that they were giving Gaza back to the Palestinians and that Gazans were not free to decide their own future, and that it was now the duty of the palestinians to give something back.
All they were required to give back was a restraint from not attacking Israel. Stupid pieces of shit couldn't even hold that up. And here is where this asshole exposes himself. "All of it was one big propaganda ploy." Only a total fucking conspiracy whackjob douchebag would think anything as tangible as the Israeli withdrawal was a propoganda ploy. Prpoganda is by its very definition superficial. The man is a fucking idiot.Quote:
But nothing was said about the fact that the settlers were illegally living on stolen palestinian land and that they were getting, on average, $200,000 per family to relocate to Israel.
So I was right, they were compensated. "Stolen" Bullshit for reasons previously cited.Quote:
Since, or rather despire of, the pullout, the Israeli army has maintained its stranglehold on Gaza, controlling, and usually preventing, Gazans from leaving Gaza to go anywhere. Remember, Gaza is a 30 mile long by 8 mile wide strip of land with 1.4 million Palestinians living in seriously cramped conditions. Since the pullout, Palestinians are still completely dependent on Israel to allow food and supplies to enter Gaza. Israel has regularly stopped such supplies in order to punish Gazans, for some trumpted up reason.
Gaza has a border with Egypt and a huge coast. No Gazan has a right to enter Israel. 50% of it's border is not Israel. Even to the most Arab favoring boot licker Israel has no obligation to Gaza beyond leaving, and I don't think they even had that.Quote:
Since the pullout, Israel has regularly fired hundreds of missiles per week into Gaza. In a two week period in May, the IDF fired 2,000 missiles.
Now this I suspect is a flatout lie. Total, unredeemable bullshit. A thousand missiles a week? Homey don't think so.Quote:
When Hamas was democratically elected in January this year, Israel persuaded the int. community to stop all payments to Hamas and the PA. because Hamas was a "terrorist organisation".
Hamas is a terrorist organization and recognized as such throughtout the world, as is Hezbollah. And under what circumstances does this asshole think Israel should be funding a group that espouses it's destruction?Quote:
Israel had already destroyed Gaza's economy, leaving them wholly dependent on outside aid, which has now been cut off to almost nothing.
Oh, this is hilarious. They left them with their infrastructure intact and what did they do? They looted it. Israel left, they were getting tons of aid they elected a terrorist group into power and the aid got pulled. Yep, that's Israel's fault.Quote:
For the past 16 months, Hamas had been holding to a unilateral ceasefire,
Flagrant lie. Daily rocket attacksQuote:
even while Israel continued to murder palestinian civilians. Over the course of the middle two weeks of June, Israeli forces murdered 23 Palestinian civilians, including a family of seven picnicing on the beach.
Um no, they were blown up by their own stupid bombers, who almost manage to inflict a greater toll on themselves than on Israelis, since the Israelis have been somewhat effective at selectively killing the master bombmakers and only retards are left.
"Then, the day before the Hamas attack on an Israeli lookout post just inside Israel on the southern border of Gaza, Israeli forces entered Gaza and kidnapped and jailed two Hamas politicians. This and the killings, prompted Hamas to carry out their attack in which they kidnapped an Israeli soldier."
(I went over the quote limit so the last bit in quotation marks is the asshole) Two Hamas politicians, huh? No, they were wanted terrorists. You can elect Adolph Hitler to power. That doesn't remove him from the "with extreme prejudice" list.
I went to the link, checked the guy out. It is clearly an almost exclusively anti-Israel website. Knock yourself out if this is where you want to get your information from.
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alpharedecho said: Not all of it, but they are working on it. Do you think Israel with rebuild Palestine when they are through blowing it up?
Honestly, it would seem as though they simply continue to destroy infastructure in order to prevent Palestine from operating as a normal territory, or country, or whatever it suspossedly is, in order to prevent Palestine from being a true threat to Israel.
They might be accomplishing that, but yet, at the same time, they are merely creating more terrorists. I admit that I do not exactly study the situation, but yet it seems as though Israel is more the terrorists than anyone else. You can only bomb people so long before they reach a point at which there is nothing left to live for anyways, so you might as well retaliate. I honestly feel more sympathy for the Palestinians than the Israelities. 
I think that America has sort of prevented itself from having much to say on the issue, either. America cannot announce support for Israel's actions, since they at least border on terrorism and violation of human rights, but yet, at the same time, they claim to be fighting a war of terrorism... We've led by example. 
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Your points do not address Israel's current attacks on Lebanon, nor the direct threats they have made towards Lebanon, shit like "We'll set your country twenty years back" by destroying infastructure and shit. The status of the Gaza Strip seems to be disputed, but I'm pretty sure that Lebanon has rights as a sovereign nation, and Israel doesn't seem to have any justifiable right to outright invade another country.
I'm sorry, but in this day and age, the thought of war in such a manner is clearly not a productive means to accomplish anything. America is proclaiming that Syria and Iran are responsible for the attacks, even though Israel is the one doing the attacking. I think there is concern that Israel will attack Syria as well....
Fuck Israel. This divisive Christian/Jew vs. Muslim bullshit is not beneficial for anyone involved. I think we need to respect each other and work together. America needs to play a more effective role in "securing democracy" by unifying and bringing resolution....
Excuse my rant. 
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Your points do not address Israel's current attacks on Lebanon, nor the direct threats they have made towards Lebanon, shit like "We'll set your country twenty years back" by destroying infastructure and shit.
I believe this was in response to hezbollah guerrillas attacking israeli troops at the border, killing 3 and kidnapping 1 or 2, bringing them deeper into lebanese territory.
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I went to the link, checked the guy out. It is clearly an almost exclusively anti-Israel website. Knock yourself out if this is where you want to get your information from.
I rarely go to that site but I was bored today and found that link and decided to read through some of it. I know one thing about the whole situation and that is there is more to it than what we hear in the states. I know that guy is very far left and you are very far right, so I imagine the truth resides somewhere in the middle.
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Catalysis said: I believe this was in response to hezbollah guerrillas attacking israeli troops at the border, killing 3 and kidnapping 1 or 2, bringing them deeper into lebanese territory.
Which is why threatening to destroy Lebanon's infastructure, effectively "turning back the clock for them twenty years" is justified. 
Israel has force and has a righteous attitude that they are free to utilize it according to their whim. Boundaries and others' rights do not matter when they are purely within the realm of man, and God is on their side. 
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fireworks_god said: Your points do not address Israel's current attacks on Lebanon, nor the direct threats they have made towards Lebanon, shit like "We'll set your country twenty years back" by destroying infastructure and shit. The status of the Gaza Strip seems to be disputed, but I'm pretty sure that Lebanon has rights as a sovereign nation, and Israel doesn't seem to have any justifiable right to outright invade another country.
I'm sorry, but in this day and age, the thought of war in such a manner is clearly not a productive means to accomplish anything. America is proclaiming that Syria and Iran are responsible for the attacks, even though Israel is the one doing the attacking. I think there is concern that Israel will attack Syria as well....
Fuck Israel. This divisive Christian/Jew vs. Muslim bullshit is not beneficial for anyone involved. I think we need to respect each other and work together. America needs to play a more effective role in "securing democracy" by unifying and bringing resolution....
Excuse my rant. 
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So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?
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So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?
That's the key point right there. Hezbollah figured they'd pull off an attack while Israel was preoccupied with Gaza. They figured they'd get away with it. They figured wrong.
Hezbollah's action was an act of war, pure and simple. Israel has every right to respond by waging war on Hezbollah.
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downforpot said: So even though Lebanon attacked first, Israel still can't attack Lebanon?
Clearly, only if President Lahud himself walked into Israel and attacked Israelites does it justify Israel doing anything to Lebanon.
Anything else is completely amoral!
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