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reality or fantasy
    #5849987 - 07/12/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have this fantasy especially realistically when in my bath and after inhaling sage that the visions I am having, the mental contents (ideas which seem to float around like smeared reflections on chrome bathtub fixures), are not uniquely my own.

I may think those objects (ideas) and so they are 'mine', but, it seems that the place that they are floating in is "really" a common membrane.

As these figments are there suspended clearly in my mental caverns, and as I think of specific family members, those mental contents seem to be shared things, or they become bridges and connections to people - to their mental caves - as if it were one continuous fabric of mind, the quality of which is singular between all of us, family members, acquaintances, tv people and internet people.

I guess what I am trying to say is that if have this distinct fantasy that my wildest imaginings are only equal to those of others people. And I guess what I am astonished with is that it might be true and it means something unspeakably incredible.

I am not sure if it has anything to do with telepathy or magic or if the mind fabric does extend between us all through some other dimension in which we are all connected intimately. it could just be ordinary thinking with one idea suspended in mind at the same time that I think of someone else and the two things together seem to mean something even more miraculous than it already is.


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5850305 - 07/12/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not positive I understand your post properly, but I'd say reality: collective consciousness.


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5850851 - 07/12/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think, your wife knows why we love you :smile:

And yes, I think too, that we are all connected to the same source in our fantasy, as like in reality :wink:
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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5850882 - 07/12/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i think i understand what you mean.

i would agree with the interpretation of connection.


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5850949 - 07/12/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I hear what your saying. Thoughts come and go that I feel have had no internal origin, are we all affecting and being affected by the hearts and minds around us?

Keeping to the point, there are other instances where I am asking the same question...

during moments where my mind is highly serious, and the thoughts and feelings I'm experiencing are natural and calm, I notice that if the world around me begins to react to my minds context.
I'm not sure if the description is clear, so Here is a highly simplified example:
I'm sitting on a bench in a park, my head is swimming in life, and as I quietly observe and listen to the process around me, the thing I notice is that every so often someone will say or do something in direct reference to whatever phase I was experiencing at that moment.


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: signoffate]
    #5851101 - 07/12/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

don't want to get too far off topic but """after inhaling sage"""?

wahts sage, is it that stuff you put in spaghetti?


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: Schwammel]
    #5851230 - 07/12/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well the sage is the salvia divinorum
and the amazing ideation in mindspace seems to be just like others are experiencing, same deep shadows and colors, and same tastes warm blood, same wonderful sounds...


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5851305 - 07/12/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When I'm there with Salvia in the second attention - "alone" and something extra-dimensional happens; Its fairly easy to say to myself, "OK, this is just all in my head..."

But when I am there with another human being, in the second attention, and some kind of "impossibility" happens, and WE BOTH experience it. Its so much harder to just say to myself, "its just in my head." Though it may be true, it may be just in my head, BUT ITS ALSO IN HIS HEAD!

Where else is it?


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reality amd fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5851334 - 07/12/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Real fantasy..

:smile:


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: Schwammel]
    #5851371 - 07/12/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"is it that stuff you put in spaghetti?"

That is nasty. I use Oregeno or Basil....maybe a little garlic, but sage? Yuck....not in spaghetti.


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5851416 - 07/12/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if a meatball why not a sage?

but this thread is, as equilibrium alludes, about the clearest of apprehensions, that in some way, what is experienced is often common and not just in the little head of the beholder(s).

if I could put my finger on it, would it leave a fingerprint?


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5851456 - 07/12/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

no wait please...

"""don't want to get too far off topic but """after inhaling sage"""?

wahts sage, is it that stuff you put in spaghetti? """

how do you inhale sage? i really want to know waht you are talking abtout?


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: Schwammel]
    #5851463 - 07/12/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Schwammel said:
no wait please...

"""don't want to get too far off topic but """after inhaling sage"""?

wahts sage, is it that stuff you put in spaghetti? """

how do you inhale sage? i really want to know waht you are talking abtout?




Smoking Salvia. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.


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Re: reality amd fantasy [Re: Gomp]
    #5851490 - 07/12/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I am not sure if it has anything to do with telepathy or magic or if the mind fabric does extend between us all through some other dimension in which we are all connected intimately. it could just be ordinary thinking with one idea suspended in mind at the same time that I think of someone else and the two things together seem to mean something even more miraculous than it already is.



there can be dream portals, .........dream travel, dreams can be used, they are more.............than a figment of your imagination,
.....dreams can give clues to the future, as I might experience something in my dream which will turn into my daily living,.....call it physic energy,.......

what is psychic energy, how can one tell the future, or the replay the past, if they can't view into that dimensional void


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5851491 - 07/12/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i don't smoke. can i eat it


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: Schwammel]
    #5851524 - 07/12/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Schwammel said:
i don't smoke. can i eat it




You can chew it.

http://www.sagewisdom.org/


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5854722 - 07/13/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

can anyone realy make sense of a salvia trip? i think its one of the most inconceivable experiences i've had. that's a serious question by the way, im curious...


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: thirdeyetruth]
    #5854884 - 07/13/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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can anyone realy make sense of a salvia trip? i think its one of the most inconceivable experiences i've had. that's a serious question by the way, im curious...


Depends what you mean by 'sense'. After a while you can start to 'sense' the nature of the force behind the trip, maybe even 'sense' some deeper meaning, though I would be hard put to verbalize it. As I've said before, there are many salvia trippers who have smoked it dozens, hundreds of times and are still going deeper...


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: Lion]
    #5855110 - 07/13/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

heh...,,


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5855239 - 07/13/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

this is weird stuff.

thoughts aren't real and yet they keep coming. as if they aren't even thought by me, and yet i have a volition to react to them and contribute to them as such.

it's as if ego is crystalized and dispersed throughout the earth so that though a strong semblence of you stil exists, with it's own ego, it begins to sort of merge into any/all other things encountered.

such as i am not sure if the thoughts are entirely mine, or someone elses, but IF they are someone elses, we both have the same ones going on because it's like we're sharing.

does anyone get what I mean? The internet confounds this trillion fold as the internet is like a huge mind.

i also seem to be embracing duality. i think i spoke a sentence "i came early yesterday" when I knew fully well that I came late..... and yet early and late in some cavern in my "mind" seemed so similar that they could be interchanged.

and i was thinking that if I were astray, God[interchangable with whatever there is even there is nothing] would keep fishing me out til I'm consistently on the right path... but the "thought" came together (and yet I was thinking it before I was thinking it, yet I was consciously thinking it both times.... but the first had a bit more depth eh?) something like "God will help lead me astray."

so ... there is the subject .... me.
The concept of astray.

The concept of God. Assumed that I have a possibility of being astray, but in compiling I chose to leave a lot of details out, and instead puttogether those words.

if the words mean nothing then it is only how they fit together that is meaningful?

I also feel that my mind has been "perversed" by the media especially songs..... but I suppose all our minds have.

I think this is relevant to what you are talking about redgreen.... hopefully someone gets me. I get me but the scope of what I get is so large that I can't really compile it just yet otherwise it would probably blow my mind, except it could be simplified as "awakening".

at least I would assume so, since that is my goal.

and really if life is a dream it makes adequate sense. you could listen to dream characters thoughts and become them if you wanted to, even though they are already you in the first place!


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Re: reality or fantasy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5855311 - 07/13/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

My advice, call the company that soled you your bathroom equipment, and ask if you are supose to see ideas projected in the chrome, if not, your's might be faulty. Did your warranty expire?


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