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Possible Weed Replacement
    #5849610 - 07/12/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I completely understand that saliva is a drug that has its own very unique characteristics. I have broken through a few times on extract, but whenever I smoked strait leaf it may have been an even more enjoyable experience. I believe that extracts should not be used for reacreation, but what about leaf. My experience was a mild stoning effect that I think would be used for reacreation, much like weed. My question is this, In your experiences has saliva leaf had similar effects as weed? If not, do you think it is a good reacreational drug?


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: jcasias]
    #5849651 - 07/12/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

fucking um, it sucks compared to weed i have smoked it like 5 times and no breakthrough but the high is shit compared to mj! don't even think ab out trying to replace mj! it is the fuckan shit and there is no drug on this earth that can even compare to my baby mj! so fuck off salvia and i am fucking wasted! ok no offense at all to the poster mj rules but im still drunk


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5849689 - 07/12/06 02:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I can relate with my two experiences with plain leaf. 0.25g and 0,39g dry leaf.
It did create a stoned effect similiar to indica body stone but I disagree it being a recreational drug or weed replacement.


.. check the typo. "Salvia" not saliva.
Thou, saliva is much better weed replacement than Salvia :smirk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saliva


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: jcasias]
    #5849740 - 07/12/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I really wouldn't recommend Salvia as a weed replacement at all. It's just not the same. Think about what you like to do while smoking weed: having fun conversations with friends, watch movies, maybe even attend parties.

Salvia is conducive to none of those activities.

My personal suggestions for weed replacements (though these have their own issues) would be either poppy tea or kava kava. In my personal experience both of these are far more conducive to producing the same kind of experiences you get from weed, it's fun to take these and watch movies, talk with friends, and on lower doses with the poppy tea, even go to parties.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: jcasias]
    #5849763 - 07/12/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How about using caviar as a sushi replacement?

Salvia is many many times more psychedelic than weed. why not use a tiny dosage of LSD as a weed replacement?


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5849810 - 07/12/06 03:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What's low dosing on LSD like? I only high dosed on it and tripped for what seemed like days :undecided:

it was my first time and I did 4 hits trying to be cool.  sigh...

Oh and.

If you want a milder Salvia experience try a quid. Basically just rolled up leaves (the fresher the better). 

They taste horrid be ready.  I found it bitter. You basically keep it in your mouth like chew tobacco.  It gives a mild high with slight "weed-like effects," however I don't think it will compare to some good bud. 


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5850425 - 07/12/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

A few times when I've smoked plain leaf I felt rather stoned like mj, but it only lasts for 15 minutes, so if you wanted to use it as a replacement, you'd have to smoke a lot of leaf material very frequently and that would not be good for your lungs, plus it wouldn't even be fun.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5850520 - 07/12/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Tiny doses of LSD are described by some as "feeling like pot" but in my personal experience it's immesurably superior to it. It has all the desirable effects of pot with none of the suck and even though most won't call it tripping, you definitely are in expanded consciousness.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5850531 - 07/12/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia highs can be immeasurably pleasurable, and occassionally 'stony' -- especially on the come-down from a really intense trip. Even then, I can't say it's better than a few vaporizer hits of headies or one smooth gravity rip.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5850547 - 07/12/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #5850646 - 07/12/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

my first salvia experience reminded me of pot. the buzz was nearly the same. i was smoking standard leaf. i dont think i would replace weed with salvia though, weed lasts much much longer and is much better i think.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: pH_]
    #5850720 - 07/12/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

is a low LSD dose like taking 1 HBWR (1-3 i guess?).

marked emotional uplifting and slight to moderate sensory distortions?

or is it a lot speedier?


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5852144 - 07/12/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
why not use a tiny dosage of LSD as a weed replacement?





YAY! break up your tabs into 8ths


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: leery11]
    #5853761 - 07/13/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Try it with mushrooms, it is absolutely wonderful if you take a dose that is clearly enough but not as much as to cause discomfort or feel awkward.

For cubies, for most people, this is 0.25-0.5gr
For LSD it hovers around 10-20mcg

You must not expect a *trip* in the usual sense of the word though, merely a subtly altered consciousness.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5853927 - 07/13/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Last night I mixed some salvia and a blend of herbs for smoking with just a little bit of weed and it got me about as high as just weed by itself would have. Maybe you can't use salvia to replace weed, but you could mix in a little bit just to boost the effects.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: DrGeek]
    #5854020 - 07/13/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The problem is that the risks associated with Salvia may be (much) higher than those associated with weed. No matter how casual you use, risks (like flashbacks) may exist and accumulate.

If you use LSD or shrooms too often your speech will slur, you'll get flashes of goosebumps and fuzzy thought when sober.

When you use Salvia too often.. Who knows??

This is a pressing reason to not use Salvia casually. Some of our members (like redgreenvines) deliberately are at the frontier of Salvia use. If it will happen to anyone, it will happen to them. People like redgreenvines to some degree have made peace with that, but to do it as a "weed subsitute" instead of for exploration, that may be a risk you on second thought are not prepared to take.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5854204 - 07/13/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Dude for starters. LSD is the single greatest drug i have ever taken in my life. But it sucks so bad that i live in south carolina and i cant find any ever. About salvia though. I went crazy and forgot where i was and put dents in my car. It totaly wasnt anything like mj to me.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Casualtiesskate]
    #5854231 - 07/13/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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About salvia though. I went crazy and forgot where i was and put dents in my car.




Could it be you took too much?


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5854435 - 07/13/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The people here that enjoy salvia seem to be the ones that use moderate extracts, or simply leaves. Though nobody but the person who freaked themselves can know how much they really took, more than likely they put too much into their brain. And Wiccan, that's at least the fifth time I've seen you post *Are you sure you didn't smoke too much?* and maybe sometime soon people will catch on to that (the ones who do smoke too much) idea, so hopefully people are understanding that. They just need to get it past their stubbornness to let it really sink in. Everybody I've smoked salvia with, their only opinion is that it's *really intense*, but they never went on a spree of violence or anything. I wonder why people are being told to smoke a shitload of salvia to feel anything.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: mellowrubberduck]
    #5854672 - 07/13/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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nobody but the person who freaked themselves can know how much they really took




Sometimes outsiders seem to know better :smirk:

If you take so much of a drug that it completely overwhelms you, with negative consequences, then you've taken too much.

Salvia's intensity is much more dose-dependent as that of mushrooms. Personally, I'm against most people taking overwhelming doses of salvia, and most reports thereof consistently prove me right.
People casually take towering doses of what might be the strongest entheogenic substance in the world. Veterans have called DMT "a toy" in comparison, and this salvia gets sold in frighteningly high potencies which serve no purpose but outdo the competition by selling a higher-numbered concentrate.

Salvia 10x already is in the Megaton range, people!


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5854726 - 07/13/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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why not use a tiny dosage of LSD as a weed replacement?




Man, if I could, I would...


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Ashland]
    #5854734 - 07/13/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Try mushrooms :laugh:


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Asante]
    #5854745 - 07/13/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Tiny dosage of mushrooms isn't really something I would want to use recreationally.... I dunno', mushrooms are much more spiritual to me. LSD on the other hand... if I could be able to interact with people better, I'd drop like 100mcg a day, lol

luckily for my sanity, though.. I never really have any LSD.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement [Re: Ashland]
    #5855269 - 07/13/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Who says it will be recreational?
Tiny doses of mushrooms can be very valuable.


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Re: Possible Weed Replacement <= yes, for some folks, Salvia can be [Re: Asante]
    #5855754 - 07/13/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hey there...

I don't smoke weed, cuz I'm subject to testing, and it's illegal to grow (lol). I'm a responsifuckable guy. But as long as it is still legal to do so, I will grow salvia divinorum and smoke it every few days, in my cheap ass corn cob pipe. I modified the pipe to get big hits (the air has to be drawn through much more quickly than a tobacco pipe is normally designed for). I make my own 3-4x "enhanced" leaf. Or, just smoke plain leaf. I dry the leaf using "damp rid" desiccant sprinkled under the grate of a food dehydrator.

I like smoking salvia. I've never "broken through" with a high dose, but I'm patient. No big hurry. I mean, I could, if I wanted to, but I don't have a sitter, and I'm not ready, or that interested to do so, I guess. Maybe I'm scared.

I've had some very nice experiences smoking salvia leaf and mild enhanced leaf. It's definately a different buzz from pot. When I get a couple deep hits of Salvia leaf, it's like a short term level 2 shroom trip. Sometimes nice spatial distortions, and the feeling that the whole texture of reality is "flowing" -- kind of like the salvia gravity, I guess. But this is just mild hits in a pipe, not a bong.

This afternoon, after work, I took a moderate hit of 3x leaf in my pipe, and made a point to hold it in for 30 seconds. The high was an extremely nice, pretty intense feeling of "twisting" to reality -- to the point where I know in my mind that if I upped the dose, I'd break through and get to the "Salvia Space" so many people chatter about.

But, for me, low doses of Salvia let me explore the interface between the 4-dimensional tranformative process-world (I guess) and the 3-d everyday (mundane) world that we generally inhabit. That, to me -- accessing the interface between the illusory world of day to day life and the real world of magic life -- is what I enjoy about Salvia. In my opinion, low doses of Salvia are better than pot. But that's just my own opinion.

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