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Offlinerikjoh
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Shroomery should list known scam sites.
    #5849082 - 07/11/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why is it that the shroomery.com pretends to support shroomers, but does not post a clear and prominent list of repeat offending scam sites, such as shrooms.ca, which have ripped off so many members? There is no complete tek that does not include avoiding these sites first and foremost, and you should be ashamed not to include a list of well known scam sites in big bold letters on your home page.

Don't give me excuses. I know you just want others to suffer the way you did. That makes you no better.

AVOID THE KEEPER AT SHROOMS.CA at all costs. And if anyone knows where Jack is, I'm looking for him. I will find him. Oh yes. Just for some friendly intercourse, of course. Peaceful-like. I'm a big friendly jolly guy. I love to talk, talk, talk, talk, till red in the face. I want to talk to Jack. Maybe he will change is ways if somebody talks to him long enough, and if you guys stop avoiding the elephant.

FOLLOWUP: OK, I'll eat some crow. The spores arrived after only a little over a month, and the defective kit was at least reparable.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5849117 - 07/11/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We are prominently displaying a list of reliable, trustful sites, namely our sponsors.

http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php

If anyone prefers to use other vendors, that's completely their choice.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Anno]
    #5849170 - 07/11/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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We are prominently displaying a list of reliable, trustful sites, namely our sponsors.




Exactly my point. Read my post. Take some responsibility, show some leadership, have some spine. List well known scam sites clearly. It's a forum, so if anyone disagrees with a listing it's open for debate, right?

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5849315 - 07/11/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No need to list scam sites when perfectly legit sites are listed on this site. Stick with the sponsors and you wont get screwed :thumbup:  Try to take the easy way out, or the more "interestingly named" mushrooms before you do research is entirely up to you.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5849513 - 07/12/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php

Ones that are not listed in the link above.
May not be reliable.
Certainly, some not listed are straight up rip offs.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5849735 - 07/12/06 02:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This guy has a VERY GOOD IDEA

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: em_bre_O]
    #5849927 - 07/12/06 06:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i think it is an ok idea but like he said if you stick with the sponcers you will be fine.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: royer]
    #5850049 - 07/12/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Listing a site with "rip-off sites" would kind of make me mad as a sponsor b/c then these other BS sites will be getting free advertisement. You may think that some people may avoid a certain site after seeing that they have been disapproved by the shroomery but then some shroomery members will still use that rip-off site just to save a few bucks and then come crying back later. I will save everyone some trouble and go ahead and list the rip-off sites for you:

www.shrooms.ca
www.sporetradingpost.com
www.sporebank.com
www.universityscientific.com

There you have it - the scum of the Myco World.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Spores_101]
    #5850098 - 07/12/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are a few more dastardly folk out there, but I won't mention them. I can't say it enough times, your best bet is to buy from sponsors here. If we don't perform we catch a lot of heat here from the customers, and If we catch enough, we won't be around long. I look at the vendors here, see how long they have been supporting the Shroomery, and figure they must be doing something right.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: sporesource]
    #5850166 - 07/12/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Those same assholes from university scientific just put up a new site called Spore Store.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Spores_101]
    #5850264 - 07/12/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The Shroomery is the worlds most popular website in regards to mushroom growing. To have a list of a "rip off" site would be the best free advertising one could get.

The sponsors here pay a fee to advertise here.

It would be unfair to list sites that are supposedly bad. With that in mind, what constitutes a "rip off" site? One persons opinion against another?

I don't believe it is the job of The Shroomery to police the the world for unscrupulous vendors. The reason that The Shroomery gives the privedge to companies to advertise here is due to their outstanding service to the mushroom community, hence the reason why people have been saying that you should only buy from Shroomery vendors. The vendors here have all been tried, tested and passed.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Lana]
    #5850493 - 07/12/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

free advertising???

how is it free advertising when its ADVERTISED as a rip-off/scam?

its only going to hurt their business

its not like people are going to say 'screw the vendor list, i'd rather take a chance with a site that shroomery says is bad!'

yeah right

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Atheist]
    #5850588 - 07/12/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

From what I have seen here on the message board, most of the people that get ripped off by these a$#holes come here after they have already delt with them.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Atheist]
    #5850611 - 07/12/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SpicyTunaRoll said:
free advertising???

how is it free advertising when its ADVERTISED as a rip-off/scam?

its only going to hurt their business

its not like people are going to say 'screw the vendor list, i'd rather take a chance with a site that shroomery says is bad!'

yeah right




Have you ever heard the phrase, "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Spores_101]
    #5850640 - 07/12/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i DOUBT that people would use the sites that are labeled clearly as scams

why would people risk their hard-earned cash?

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5850647 - 07/12/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i would rather not have any link to them on this site. if you want to get burned, google for spores and pick someone without a proven track record of helping people. also, everytime google scans this MASSIVE site we call the shroomery, it will pick up links that we provide to shitty vendors. google doesnt care if we say the are shitty or not. they will just slowly start to creep up in the rankings.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: SaturnGlass]
    #5850930 - 07/12/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SaturnGlass said:
No need to list scam sites when perfectly legit sites are listed on this site. Stick with the sponsors and you wont get screwed :thumbup:  Try to take the easy way out, or the more "interestingly named" mushrooms before you do research is entirely up to you.






Obviously , you haven't talked with anyone that had anything to do with Mycoshak .

Just because someone sends you to the Sponsor Forum , you still need to use your head . Unless it's a proven sponsor , you need to proceed with caution .

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5851134 - 07/12/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

In my opinion there is no need of a list for the rip off.Like kilroy said, it is after the "shroomer" got stealed that they come here.I got ripped off by mycogrow like 3 years ago and they disapeared a couple month after I order.This website was looking really professional and everything,if there was a rip off section , I'm sure some people would still buy from them because they look honnest.They offer refund on the products if your'e not happy, answer your email in a short time... Thats why there is no need of a scam list, because its free advertising for those bitches.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: em_bre_O]
    #5851191 - 07/12/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

em_bre_O said:
This guy has a VERY GOOD IDEA




One must take a closer look at this proposition, in which I agree with, coming from a person that got scammed before coming to shroomery...

one must put off the initial rejection of this idea in order to obtain a bigger picture of the idea

these are a few reasons

1. It will bring a BETTER reputation for shroomery, which is always better for the future (think of the progressive car insurance strategy, listing the prices of competitors, that SELLS!)(honesty sells)

2. It will bring MORE business IMO, people may still be shopping around looking for a supplier for mycology products. IME I was shopping around and I knew absolutely nothing about nothing.. I picked what at the moment seemed like the best, easiest kit that would grow the most (what did I know)
Furthermore the money that people lost in the scam site could have gone to a shroomery sponsor, hence MORE business. After this I was reluctant to EVEN buy anywhere else, skeptical about every site! I wish I could have found a reliable source for fake sponsors, it would have made my faith in shroomery even STRONGER..

3. Last, but not least, WBM... WORD BY MOUTH... It should be somewhere where EVERYBODY could see it... more WBM... more people will know, less people will buy off scammers... all the while shroomery will have an even better REP!~

Edited by tonyperez420 (07/12/06 03:26 PM)

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Spores_101]
    #5851205 - 07/12/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SPORES101_COM said:
Listing a site with "rip-off sites" would kind of make me mad as a sponsor b/c then these other BS sites will be getting free advertisement. You may think that some people may avoid a certain site after seeing that they have been disapproved by the shroomery but then some shroomery members will still use that rip-off site just to save a few bucks and then come crying back later. I will save everyone some trouble and go ahead and list the rip-off sites for you:

www.shrooms.ca
www.sporetradingpost.com
www.sporebank.com
www.universityscientific.com

There you have it - the scum of the Myco World.




there are MANY more than that bro

the one that scammed me is not even included in that list

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: kilroy]
    #5851212 - 07/12/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

kilroy said:
From what I have seen here on the message board, most of the people that get ripped off by these a$#holes come here after they have already delt with them.




"Furthermore the money that people lost in the scam site could have gone to a shroomery sponsor, hence MORE business."

EXACTLY

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Spores_101]
    #5851223 - 07/12/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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SPORES101_COM said:

Have you ever heard the phrase, "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?




dude are you serious, thats for celebrities lol

I may stop buying spores off of you for such a foolish answer... j/k

BAD publicity is what causes consumers to stay away from BAD products (notice how a company's stocks always lower after they receive BAD publicity)

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: tonyperez420]
    #5851243 - 07/12/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I would think that a person that ignored the list of reputable venders and pick a site off a list of scammers, would be the kind of stupid customer that is a business persons nightmare. These are the same people that order and come to shroomery five minutes after ordering going "OMG such and such a site wont respond to the 50 emails I sent, did I just get scammed?!?"

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: tonyperez420]
    #5851870 - 07/12/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

tonyperez420 said:
Quote:

SPORES101_COM said:

Have you ever heard the phrase, "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?




dude are you serious, thats for celebrities lol

I may stop buying spores off of you for such a foolish answer... j/k

BAD publicity is what causes consumers to stay away from BAD products (notice how a company's stocks always lower after they receive BAD publicity)




Contrare! 101 is correct... Scammers don't care about ethics!
They just change they're name or put on a sale! A Buck is a Buck!  :pirate: Proceed with Caution!


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5852273 - 07/12/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I see no need for a list of bad vendors. Someone who is too lazy and impatient to do the needed research, has no business with spores to begin with. Finding this site is easy enough, and it is beyond anyones control if someone blindly trusts an internet site selling anything.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: motaman]
    #5852709 - 07/12/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have not purchased spores since I started hunting mushrooms, so I am a little confused.

What do you mean by scam sites?
They just take your money and don't send anything?
Or do you mean they are overpriced, wrong strain, slow shipment? I have seen one site selling syringes for something like $95. I wouldn't necessarily call that a scam site. Over-priced, certainly, but if they send what you order, then it's not a scam. Folks who shop there are just not very price conscious, or they haven't shopped around.


If there are sites that just take people's money without sending anything, then I say yeah; we should warn people about them. But if they just charge high prices, then I don't see any reason to single them out.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: shroomydan]
    #5853094 - 07/12/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Before I found shroomery, actually... about a year before i found shroomery, I ordered from sporebank/university scientific... I got a shaker kit (basically a ziploc brand pint jar) of rye/verm/brf and a spore syringe.

Well, it contammed, and it turned out to be the syringe. I asked them about it, and they admitted that they had a batch of possibly compromised syringes, but they had been mixed in with the good ones on accident, they actually sent me not only a replacement syringe, but 3 more syringes and 2 new QUART sized shaker kits...

I can't really complain about them, because they offered the same service that I've had with the shroomery vendors, and actually it cost me less, and I actually got more for my 30 bucks than I've gotten with most shroomery vendors.

And I realize this may be an isolated incident, but in my mind, the only bad experience I've had with outside vendors is the same bad experience i've had with shroomery vendors.

Anyways, I've wasted too much room in this thread, and I'm sorry.

Oh, and despite the fact that I actually had a mediocre experience with an outside vendor, I still only shop exclusively with shroomery vendors now. I also donate monthly to shroomery.org, because I think the sponsors and supporters keep this motherfucking wonderful god blessed site alive. This site isn't kept alive for free people, if you want to keep the site alive, shop with the sponsors, and for christs sake, donate 5 bucks a month to this wonderful myriad of mycological information.



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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: shroomydan]
    #5854149 - 07/13/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

>>What do you mean by scam sites?<<

Sites that sell syringes for $95 ea.

Sites that sell BS strains with weird strain names.

Sites that sell contaminated syringes & prints.

Sites that sell overpriced kits.

Sites that sell kits that don't work.

Sites that take your money & send you nothing.

Ebay sellers who sell contaminated syringes.

Just to list a few.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5854244 - 07/13/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just playing devils advocate here!  But I can debate your points....

>>What do you mean by scam sites?<<

Sites that sell syringes for $95 ea.
- $95.00 a syringe may not be the market price but every vendor has the right to charge what they want.  Just like the customer has a right to not purchase from a vendor.

Sites that sell BS strains with weird strain names.
- Some may consider this "private labelling".  Many large food producers do this.  If you're not eating cambells brand soup, there's a 95% chance you're eating Heinz brand.  Same product, different name.

Sites that sell contaminated syringes & prints.
- Every vendor will get a contaminated batch once in awhile.  Its part of business.  A baker may through out a bad batch of donuts but they don't close shop

Sites that sell overpriced kits.
- Refer to my first point.  Kits often provide convience.  If a person is willing to buy a kit, thats their choice.

Sites that sell kits that don't work.
- Confrim that a kit doesn't work.  Most folks who buy kits are newbies.  So the probability of a newbie screwing something up is high.  Temperature, humidity, sterilization time could be off.  Even advanced growers have problems sometimes.

Sites that take your money & send you nothing.
- Touche!  You got me on this one :smile:

Ebay sellers who sell contaminated syringes.
- Now you're mixing apples with oranges.... eBay has their own police :smile:

All this talk of food is telling me its time for lunch! 

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Lana]
    #5854266 - 07/13/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

scam site: one not devoted to customer satisfaction.
devoted only to profit.

in other words, a corporation.

your choice where to buy.
there are bad decisions to make at every turn in life.
it is your job as a conscious individual to not make that bad decision.
research is underrated.

lucky us we have sponsors here devoted to customer satisfaction.

do your homework people.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5854821 - 07/13/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck the cry baby ass bull shit........Let's set up a POLL THREAD. A vendor should want this here.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: em_bre_O]
    #5855164 - 07/13/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Another reason why a list of "rip off" sites may not be a good idea is due to legal reasons.

Slandering of a company is quite serious.  To make a public list specifically to black list compaines that are "supposedly" ripping people off... I hope you have a good lawyer :smile:

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Lana]
    #5855382 - 07/13/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's only Slander or Libel if it's untrue or unfounded.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-slander-and-libel.htm

And there is a reason companies never sue Poor People.
Even if they win... they lose.
I'm poor... and countersuits can be quite profitable :lol:

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5857436 - 07/14/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For Libel (Slander is spoken defemation of character) there usually has to be provable malcious intent. This is really hard to prove and usually breaks most Libel cases in favor of the defendant, not the plaintiff.

I'm not sure how I feel about this topic of posting a list of "scam" sites. I tend to be a bit in the middle, but find myself in agreement with many of the points Lana has raised.

I will conceed a point in I understand how frustrating it can be to purchase from a company that treats you poorly or sends you defective products. I hear from customers all the time who are coming to Sporeworks after having bad experiences with other vendors.

However I think Lana has some good points in regards to what people consider "scams." For the most part I feel that consumers are responsible for making educated decisions in buying products from any merchant. Consumers ultimately hold the business community hostage with their purchasing power. Wise buying will lead companies who practice unsavvory tactics to be washed out in the muck. It's simple supply and demand economics. Some people are perfectly happy paying $95 for a spore syringe. They may never know it is possible to purchase the same material at nearly 10% of that price, but none-the-less they are happy with their results... Some, on the other-hand, feel burned when they realize the same goods are avaiable for a much cheaper price at just about every other vendor on the web. To my knowledge there is only one vendor, out of possibly 30-40 worldwide, who is selling spore syringes as such high prices. How hard is it to comparison shop? Google is your friend.

I think there is a lot of consumer reports related information regarding the various online mushroom vendors. If a potential buyer has any questions about any seller, a simple google search will almost assuredly return recent thread discussions from unhappy/unsatisfied or happy/satisfied customers right here on the Shroomery. There is no preventing a potential customer from purchasing goods at a "scam" site if they aren't finding the Shroomery first to begin with. It is a chicken/egg problem.

In addition, the Shroomery's policy of only allowing sponsorship by proven and reliable vendors says a lot for those not on the list. Don't you think a lot of companies would really like to advertise here at the Shroomery. Any guesses as to why a lot of them don't (or can't)?

There is also the questionable objectivity in determining which sites should be included on any such list. I have heard reports from several companies that are say... just slow in shipping orders, or clumbsy in their approach to customer service. Does this make them a scam? Some people have great experiences with "scam" sites, while others seem to get the royal shaft. Who makes the call? Do we form a Shroomery sponsored lynching mob?

Again, exposure for these companies via the Shroomery will probably not hurt their business. Their customers are coming to them BEFORE finding the Shroomery and its vast wealth of information. Giving these companies publicity could lead to potential customers "giving them a try" because these companies are posting seemingly outrageous deals, or offer unique product that can't be found on any Shroomery sponsor's webstore.

I don't mean to be too long-winded, but it appears as though most of the supporting sponsors contributing to this thread find the idea of a "scam site list" to be a generally bad idea.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: psilocyber]
    #5857806 - 07/14/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just to clarify my posistion...

I think hosting such a list on the Shroomery is a bad idea as well.
For the exact reasons that both psilocyber an Lana have stated.
And, my offer of an off-site page would have to be "Tactfully" presented :wink:
With careful attention to the wording of any comments!

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    #5858146 - 07/14/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i have to disagree with a few points if i read it right, i got the feeling some feel that having a list wouldn't hurt the company but instead purhaps help it.

my feeling on that is, as said before those who try these bad companys go there before they come to the shroomery....so apparently those of us here for the most part try the sponsers first and stay with them....therefore no bisness lost and no bisness gained from the "bad" places.

but there are some people here who did or have or will order from these companys and having a list i believe will help stop or prevent such a thing, and nobody here wants anyone to have a bad experience in a hobby that demands so much time and energy.

also having a list like this will help the sponsers which im sure some are worried about the opposite. because some might be considereing buying from bad places...they could see a page listing the very place and say oh dam i better order somewhere else, the shroomery saved me so ill try a sponser then. see what i mean?

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5860332 - 07/14/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What good is doing research if everyone has been cowed into staying quiet about the scam sites? Research only works if the word is out there. Duh!

You guys, some of you are either insane or corrupt. Any sponsors with integrity here ought to be very happy to have a scam site list, because it helps set the sponsors apart as elite sources. Instead now I am seriously wondering if some of you sponsors are not running some of the scam sites as well, and playing both sides. You get the suckers on one site, and the regular business on the

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5860347 - 07/14/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

... on the other.

Seems my post was cut off.

My question is why is integrity so suspect around here?

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5860432 - 07/15/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here it is, I just finished compiling the list...




POSSIBLE SCAM SITES!!
- Any site that IS NOT a Shroomery Sponsor.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: InjectTruth]
    #5861799 - 07/15/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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InjectTruth said:
Here it is, I just finished compiling the list...




              POSSIBLE SCAM SITES!!
              - Any site that IS NOT a Shroomery Sponsor.





And I'll ask again , just because they are a sponsor , what means they can't be a "scam" site ?

I guess no one remembers Mycoshack .

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5861910 - 07/15/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

HC is right. You shouldn't just purchase from someone who is a sponsor because they are a sponsor. A sponsor is just someone who pays to advertise on the Shroomery. It still boils down to research. Don't just buy from a vendor because you read a post or 2 where someone said that they were great. Make sure the vendor has a long track record, sponsor or not. Mycoshack was a great example.

Sure there are a ton of non-sponsor scam sites out there, but I have dealt with a few non-sponsor vendors that have better prices and great customer service.

Making a list of "bad" vendors is a bad idea because it's definitely a matter of opinion. Who would decide what makes them bad? Hell, you get the occasional newbie here that bitches about Ralph or Sporeworks because they had to wait 2 weeks to get their order from the time they mailed it! :rolleyes: Does that mean that they should be put on the list?

If you got ripped off, it's your fault for not doing your research, plain and simple.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: FooMan]
    #5861984 - 07/15/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FooManShroom said:
HC is right. You shouldn't just purchase from someone who is a sponsor because they are a sponsor. A sponsor is just someone who pays to advertise on the Shroomery. It still boils down to research. Don't just buy from a vendor because you read a post or 2 where someone said that they were great. Make sure the vendor has a long track record, sponsor or not. Mycoshack was a great example.

Sure there are a ton of non-sponsor scam sites out there, but I have dealt with a few non-sponsor vendors that have better prices and great customer service.

Making a list of "bad" vendors is a bad idea because it's definitely a matter of opinion. Who would decide what makes them bad? Hell, you get the occasional newbie here that bitches about Ralph or Sporeworks because they had to wait 2 weeks to get their order from the time they mailed it! :rolleyes: Does that mean that they should be put on the list?

If you got ripped off, it's your fault for not doing your research, plain and simple.




Right on!  :thumbup:

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5862159 - 07/15/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

do not buy from anyone on Ebay...period.

there are several Shroomery members out to make a few bucks on Ebay.

fuck em!~

and at least one of them responded in this thread!~

:smirk:


There are plenty of posts here in the Sponsor/Vendor forum on most of these so called bad Vendors...learn to use the search function.

So there really isn't a need for a Bad Vendor List!~

I've been kicking back watching this thread for a few days now...
and finally decided to voice my opinion on the matter.

The majority of people that have been scammed by people like The Keeper for example...
were scammed before they arrived at the Shroomery!~

and Yes there has been a few Shroomery Vendors go bad in the past...
they usually don't last here very long if they have customer problems.
Example...Sporechics, Dr. Bluethumbs, Micron Magic and Mycoshack.


Sporebank has bought several more urls lately...
so watch out!~
They just got ahold of the old Sporechics site!~

http://www.sporechics.com

:crazy:


debate continues....



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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5862579 - 07/15/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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HippieChick said:
I guess no one remembers Mycoshack .





Or MicronMagic... Or Dr.Bluethumbs

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Roadkill]
    #5862906 - 07/15/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There's gotta be a disclaimer that can be done......or a thread that has links to these posted complaints.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: em_bre_O]
    #5862974 - 07/15/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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em_bre_O said:

There's gotta be a disclaimer that can be done......or a thread that has links to these posted complaints.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Roadkill]
    #5863339 - 07/15/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, the disclaimer should be as follows :

Shroomery Sponsors - If they're not on the list, then you're taking a risk!

-Me

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5863690 - 07/16/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Shdwstr said:
Quote:

HippieChick said:
I guess no one remembers Mycoshack .





Or MicronMagic... Or Dr.Bluethumbs




Were those Shroomery Sponsors also ?

I wasn't here for them I don't think .

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5864167 - 07/16/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Without a doubt HC.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5864884 - 07/16/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Roadkill said:

and Yes there has been a few Shroomery Vendors go bad in the past...

they usually don't last here very long if they have customer problems.

Example...Sporechics, Dr. Bluethumbs, Micron Magic and Mycoshack.








Quote:

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Were those Shroomery Sponsors also ?

I wasn't here for them I don't think.







Yes they were...

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5864965 - 07/16/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry HippieChick, Showing my age again :smile:

The Shroomery does a fine job of weeding out the poor vendors.
Unfortunately they have to wait till a Vendor actually starts to screw up, and a few may get burnt, before they get axed.

Theres also been a few Vendors axed that wern't really what you would classify as bad... just incredibly aggravating and disruptive to the forums.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Roadkill]
    #5865869 - 07/16/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry RK, but I'll have to disagree with you about Ebay. I got a couple great spore syringes off of Ebay awhile back, but I don't see that vendor around anymore. For that matter, I don't see any spore vendors on Ebay anymore. They must have cracked down on spore sales. I've also gotten some good poo for dirt cheap off of Ebay. Again, it boils down to research. If the person has shitty feedback or very little feedback, then they are probably selling shit products, but if they have great feedback, common sense will tell you that you should be alright. The one exception I saw was MycoMonsters. They had great feedback and became Power Sellers quickly. Then, all of the sudden, they just fell off the face of the earth and got a bunch of bad feedback towards the end. This type of business is volatile, so you can expect things like that to happen from time to time.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: FooMan]
    #5865948 - 07/16/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i too am against this.

if people are a member of the shroomery, they know from the horror stories coming in from noobs, which are rip off sites.
they know they can trust the vendors here.

if on other hand, the consumer ISNT a member of the shroomery, then they wont be here to read the "bad vendor" thread anyway .. so its not doing anything but raising the bad vendors search ranking

the more sites linking to a vendors site ( or any site for that matter) , raises its google rating, and would actually give them more ( unknowledgable ) buyers.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: FooMan]
    #5865985 - 07/16/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok TheMadSeason whatever you say!~

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    #5866005 - 07/16/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ok TheMadSeason whatever you say!~

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: FooMan]
    #5867444 - 07/16/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you don't have to "link" a site to inform people about the site...therefore google ratings have nothing to do with this.

along with that...google and well the internet as a whole has turned into nothing but websites trying to sell shit...whenever i google thats always the first thing to come up....sites ive never heard of...i know they didn't get to the top because people are linking each other "www.bigtitys.com"


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: FooMan]
    #5868124 - 07/17/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe he is not agreeing and agreeing wicha, TMS.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: em_bre_O]
    #5869951 - 07/17/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I admit, a hard list of scam sites is probably a bad idea, but a thread or forum dedicated to discussing bad experiences would be helpful, especially to the newbies who show up and tell their sad sob story about getting a defective kit from the Keeper, and it's been three weeks and still no spores, and what should he do?

Uh... btw, what should I do?

Edited by rikjoh (07/17/06 05:01 PM)

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5869995 - 07/17/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You should wait unless you paid the extra money for an express shipment. 3 weeks isn't long at all in terms of receiving, processing and shipping orders. Sometimes get back logged and all you can really do is wait.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5870154 - 07/17/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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rikjoh said:

Uh... btw, what should I do?





about what?

been screwed by some Vendor?

spit it all out!~

might as well do it right here in this thread!~

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5870402 - 07/17/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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rikjoh said:
I admit, a hard list of scam sites is probably a bad idea, but a thread or forum dedicated to discussing bad experiences would be helpful, especially to the newbies who show up and tell their sad sob story about getting a defective kit from the Keeper, and it's been three weeks and still no spores, and what should he do?

Uh... btw, what should I do?




Bay and road, I beleive this guy is saying he got screwed by the keeper. :wink: Easy on the green there fellas! :tongue: :cool:

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: SaturnGlass]
    #5870552 - 07/17/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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about what?



About the defective glove-box and Jack's refusal to respond to email. What else?

Quote:

Bay and road, I beleive this guy is saying he got screwed by the keeper.



Thanks for clueing in.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5875073 - 07/18/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If I remember correctly we've had scamming sponsors in the past as well...

mycoshack... cough! Cough!

to put it shortly, you can't really trust any vendor unless they have a reputation. and when I say reputation, I mean more than a year or so of good customer service.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Tweexican]
    #5879356 - 07/19/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Alright, I guess we pretty much covered it for now. I think part of the problem is that Jack is just not very bright...(I retract the rest)

Edited by rikjoh (07/28/06 04:06 PM)

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5883897 - 07/21/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

HippieChick said:
Quote:

SaturnGlass said:
No need to list scam sites when perfectly legit sites are listed on this site. Stick with the sponsors and you wont get screwed :thumbup:  Try to take the easy way out, or the more "interestingly named" mushrooms before you do research is entirely up to you.






Obviously , you haven't talked with anyone that had anything to do with Mycoshak .

Just because someone sends you to the Sponsor Forum , you still need to use your head . Unless it's a proven sponsor , you need to proceed with caution .

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there should be a forum where shroomery members could speak freely about sponsors, without getting warned, banned, deleted, etc...

if other members agree about a negative/positive aspect of a sponsor, it must hold some degree of truth

I feel like I got scammed by a sponsor of shroomery (the sponsor actually is on this thread) and I try making a post about it and it gets deleted... I try again, warned, then banned...

WTF History repeats itself, if it happened before it could happen again, especially when it comes to selling syringes... like they say in the seed business "its a seedy business"  :crazy2:

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    #5884479 - 07/21/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

PP you r ,w/o a doubt, right.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: PeacePilot]
    #5884552 - 07/21/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

PeacePilot...

We have talk about your situation in great detail...

and there is no problem with you saying that you have had a problem with any Shroomery Vendor!~

You are allowed to post complaints!~

and please feel free to post your complaint...

that is part of the reason that this forum is here!~






but...

this account PeacePilot that you are using is a puppet account...

and this kind of behavior will not be tollerated!~

you are not allowed to have a puppet...

and run arround the shroomery saying whatever you want under a cloak!~


the only kind of puppet that is allowed here at the Shroomery...

is a Grow Log puppet...to protect your main Shroomery identity while posting a grow log.

for safety sake!~



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PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5887139 - 07/22/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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rikjoh said:
Alright, I guess we pretty much covered it for now. I think part of the problem is that Jack is just not very bright. He can't understand why his stuff is slime-laden crap, but he can't find anything better to do with his time. 




Uh, not to defend him, but "not very bright"? The guy is getting away with selling spore syringes for $90+ and has been for years. I'd say he's brighter than everyone who has purchased his products, wouldn't you? :smirk: With even a little online research, you could have avoided making that mistake. The problem is that most of the people who buy from him see his ad in High Times and just go straight to his website without knowing their alternatives. Karma will catch up to that fucker one day.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: PeacePilot]
    #5903865 - 07/26/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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PeacePilot said:
Quote:

HippieChick said:
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SaturnGlass said:
No need to list scam sites when perfectly legit sites are listed on this site. Stick with the sponsors and you wont get screwed :thumbup:  Try to take the easy way out, or the more "interestingly named" mushrooms before you do research is entirely up to you.






Obviously , you haven't talked with anyone that had anything to do with Mycoshak .

Just because someone sends you to the Sponsor Forum , you still need to use your head . Unless it's a proven sponsor , you need to proceed with caution .

Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony
:heart: Hippie Chick  :mushroom2:




there should be a forum where shroomery members could speak freely about sponsors, without getting warned, banned, deleted, etc...

if other members agree about a negative/positive aspect of a sponsor, it must hold some degree of truth

I feel like I got scammed by a sponsor of shroomery (the sponsor actually is on this thread) and I try making a post about it and it gets deleted... I try again, warned, then banned...

WTF History repeats itself, if it happened before it could happen again, especially when it comes to selling syringes... like they say in the seed business "its a seedy business"  :crazy2:




I agree with PeacePilot as well  :wink:

5 stars for PeacePilot for his idea

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: tonyperez420]
    #5909423 - 07/28/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

OK, Jack finally came through, mostly, so as I promised him I'm now his friend, kind of. I retract my call to avoid him at all costs. Use your own judgement.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5932488 - 08/04/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

so basicly the shoomery is looking out for the shroomery and its sponsers. eff anyone giving props to outside reliable vendor or anyone looking for info on an outside vendor

if a member here has a problem with any site that is selling a product and arent coming through on their part should be listed.
we should be looking out for eachother not leaving someone in the cold.

Edited by ANTS (08/04/06 07:30 PM)

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Da_Vine]
    #5971925 - 08/17/06 01:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

zoinks! Primo veritas frigido Nihlismitasmo todismimo nada.

Feel the warmth, baby!

"you just call... my nahame... and I weeehehill be theaiiiir."



I'm totally gay for primordia!

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5972357 - 08/17/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i have no idea what the post meant


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: mushnoon]
    #5985424 - 08/21/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I know, sorry. I was celebrating the birth of my first babies that day. It was only borderline funny at the time, but I felt a need to respond to ANT's post, and was thinking something along these lines:

Quote:

eff anyone giving props to outside reliable vendor or anyone looking for info on an outside vendor




zoinks! = sorry I started a discussion with such bad feelings.

Quote:

we should be looking out for eachother not leaving someone in the cold




primo veritas... = Um, I'm not totally sure, but I think it's something about the primary truth about "being left in the cold" is that, in an esoteric philosophical sense since everything is nothing anyway, you are only as cold as you feel.

Feel the warmth, baby! = But now I laught at myself and admit that philosophy is bullshit. It comes down to people communicating with and supporting each other, which I declare enthusiastically, if without reciprocating confirmation, that I will do.

You just call... = Yes, I know this is silly, but let me offer some humorous cultural reference in support of my dedication dedication to providing whatever support I can, if any, to anyone who feels left out in the cold and needs help.


Hope that clears everything up.

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5985699 - 08/22/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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