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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: kilroy]
    #5851212 - 07/12/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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kilroy said:
From what I have seen here on the message board, most of the people that get ripped off by these a$#holes come here after they have already delt with them.




"Furthermore the money that people lost in the scam site could have gone to a shroomery sponsor, hence MORE business."

EXACTLY


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Spores_101]
    #5851223 - 07/12/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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SPORES101_COM said:

Have you ever heard the phrase, "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?




dude are you serious, thats for celebrities lol

I may stop buying spores off of you for such a foolish answer... j/k

BAD publicity is what causes consumers to stay away from BAD products (notice how a company's stocks always lower after they receive BAD publicity)


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: tonyperez420]
    #5851243 - 07/12/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would think that a person that ignored the list of reputable venders and pick a site off a list of scammers, would be the kind of stupid customer that is a business persons nightmare. These are the same people that order and come to shroomery five minutes after ordering going "OMG such and such a site wont respond to the 50 emails I sent, did I just get scammed?!?"


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: tonyperez420]
    #5851870 - 07/12/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

tonyperez420 said:
Quote:

SPORES101_COM said:

Have you ever heard the phrase, "there is no such thing as bad publicity"?




dude are you serious, thats for celebrities lol

I may stop buying spores off of you for such a foolish answer... j/k

BAD publicity is what causes consumers to stay away from BAD products (notice how a company's stocks always lower after they receive BAD publicity)




Contrare! 101 is correct... Scammers don't care about ethics!
They just change they're name or put on a sale! A Buck is a Buck!  :pirate: Proceed with Caution!


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5852273 - 07/12/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I see no need for a list of bad vendors. Someone who is too lazy and impatient to do the needed research, has no business with spores to begin with. Finding this site is easy enough, and it is beyond anyones control if someone blindly trusts an internet site selling anything.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: motaman]
    #5852709 - 07/12/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have not purchased spores since I started hunting mushrooms, so I am a little confused.

What do you mean by scam sites?
They just take your money and don't send anything?
Or do you mean they are overpriced, wrong strain, slow shipment? I have seen one site selling syringes for something like $95. I wouldn't necessarily call that a scam site. Over-priced, certainly, but if they send what you order, then it's not a scam. Folks who shop there are just not very price conscious, or they haven't shopped around.


If there are sites that just take people's money without sending anything, then I say yeah; we should warn people about them. But if they just charge high prices, then I don't see any reason to single them out.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: shroomydan]
    #5853094 - 07/12/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Before I found shroomery, actually... about a year before i found shroomery, I ordered from sporebank/university scientific... I got a shaker kit (basically a ziploc brand pint jar) of rye/verm/brf and a spore syringe.

Well, it contammed, and it turned out to be the syringe. I asked them about it, and they admitted that they had a batch of possibly compromised syringes, but they had been mixed in with the good ones on accident, they actually sent me not only a replacement syringe, but 3 more syringes and 2 new QUART sized shaker kits...

I can't really complain about them, because they offered the same service that I've had with the shroomery vendors, and actually it cost me less, and I actually got more for my 30 bucks than I've gotten with most shroomery vendors.

And I realize this may be an isolated incident, but in my mind, the only bad experience I've had with outside vendors is the same bad experience i've had with shroomery vendors.

Anyways, I've wasted too much room in this thread, and I'm sorry.

Oh, and despite the fact that I actually had a mediocre experience with an outside vendor, I still only shop exclusively with shroomery vendors now. I also donate monthly to shroomery.org, because I think the sponsors and supporters keep this motherfucking wonderful god blessed site alive. This site isn't kept alive for free people, if you want to keep the site alive, shop with the sponsors, and for christs sake, donate 5 bucks a month to this wonderful myriad of mycological information.



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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: shroomydan]
    #5854149 - 07/13/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

>>What do you mean by scam sites?<<

Sites that sell syringes for $95 ea.

Sites that sell BS strains with weird strain names.

Sites that sell contaminated syringes & prints.

Sites that sell overpriced kits.

Sites that sell kits that don't work.

Sites that take your money & send you nothing.

Ebay sellers who sell contaminated syringes.

Just to list a few.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Tippinthru]
    #5854244 - 07/13/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just playing devils advocate here!  But I can debate your points....

>>What do you mean by scam sites?<<

Sites that sell syringes for $95 ea.
- $95.00 a syringe may not be the market price but every vendor has the right to charge what they want.  Just like the customer has a right to not purchase from a vendor.

Sites that sell BS strains with weird strain names.
- Some may consider this "private labelling".  Many large food producers do this.  If you're not eating cambells brand soup, there's a 95% chance you're eating Heinz brand.  Same product, different name.

Sites that sell contaminated syringes & prints.
- Every vendor will get a contaminated batch once in awhile.  Its part of business.  A baker may through out a bad batch of donuts but they don't close shop

Sites that sell overpriced kits.
- Refer to my first point.  Kits often provide convience.  If a person is willing to buy a kit, thats their choice.

Sites that sell kits that don't work.
- Confrim that a kit doesn't work.  Most folks who buy kits are newbies.  So the probability of a newbie screwing something up is high.  Temperature, humidity, sterilization time could be off.  Even advanced growers have problems sometimes.

Sites that take your money & send you nothing.
- Touche!  You got me on this one :smile:

Ebay sellers who sell contaminated syringes.
- Now you're mixing apples with oranges.... eBay has their own police :smile:

All this talk of food is telling me its time for lunch! 

Lana


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Lana]
    #5854266 - 07/13/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

scam site: one not devoted to customer satisfaction.
devoted only to profit.

in other words, a corporation.

your choice where to buy.
there are bad decisions to make at every turn in life.
it is your job as a conscious individual to not make that bad decision.
research is underrated.

lucky us we have sponsors here devoted to customer satisfaction.

do your homework people.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5854821 - 07/13/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck the cry baby ass bull shit........Let's set up a POLL THREAD. A vendor should want this here.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: em_bre_O]
    #5855164 - 07/13/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Another reason why a list of "rip off" sites may not be a good idea is due to legal reasons.

Slandering of a company is quite serious.  To make a public list specifically to black list compaines that are "supposedly" ripping people off... I hope you have a good lawyer :smile:

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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Lana]
    #5855382 - 07/13/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's only Slander or Libel if it's untrue or unfounded.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-slander-and-libel.htm

And there is a reason companies never sue Poor People.
Even if they win... they lose.
I'm poor... and countersuits can be quite profitable :lol:


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5857436 - 07/14/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

For Libel (Slander is spoken defemation of character) there usually has to be provable malcious intent. This is really hard to prove and usually breaks most Libel cases in favor of the defendant, not the plaintiff.

I'm not sure how I feel about this topic of posting a list of "scam" sites. I tend to be a bit in the middle, but find myself in agreement with many of the points Lana has raised.

I will conceed a point in I understand how frustrating it can be to purchase from a company that treats you poorly or sends you defective products. I hear from customers all the time who are coming to Sporeworks after having bad experiences with other vendors.

However I think Lana has some good points in regards to what people consider "scams." For the most part I feel that consumers are responsible for making educated decisions in buying products from any merchant. Consumers ultimately hold the business community hostage with their purchasing power. Wise buying will lead companies who practice unsavvory tactics to be washed out in the muck. It's simple supply and demand economics. Some people are perfectly happy paying $95 for a spore syringe. They may never know it is possible to purchase the same material at nearly 10% of that price, but none-the-less they are happy with their results... Some, on the other-hand, feel burned when they realize the same goods are avaiable for a much cheaper price at just about every other vendor on the web. To my knowledge there is only one vendor, out of possibly 30-40 worldwide, who is selling spore syringes as such high prices. How hard is it to comparison shop? Google is your friend.

I think there is a lot of consumer reports related information regarding the various online mushroom vendors. If a potential buyer has any questions about any seller, a simple google search will almost assuredly return recent thread discussions from unhappy/unsatisfied or happy/satisfied customers right here on the Shroomery. There is no preventing a potential customer from purchasing goods at a "scam" site if they aren't finding the Shroomery first to begin with. It is a chicken/egg problem.

In addition, the Shroomery's policy of only allowing sponsorship by proven and reliable vendors says a lot for those not on the list. Don't you think a lot of companies would really like to advertise here at the Shroomery. Any guesses as to why a lot of them don't (or can't)?

There is also the questionable objectivity in determining which sites should be included on any such list. I have heard reports from several companies that are say... just slow in shipping orders, or clumbsy in their approach to customer service. Does this make them a scam? Some people have great experiences with "scam" sites, while others seem to get the royal shaft. Who makes the call? Do we form a Shroomery sponsored lynching mob?

Again, exposure for these companies via the Shroomery will probably not hurt their business. Their customers are coming to them BEFORE finding the Shroomery and its vast wealth of information. Giving these companies publicity could lead to potential customers "giving them a try" because these companies are posting seemingly outrageous deals, or offer unique product that can't be found on any Shroomery sponsor's webstore.

I don't mean to be too long-winded, but it appears as though most of the supporting sponsors contributing to this thread find the idea of a "scam site list" to be a generally bad idea.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: psilocyber]
    #5857806 - 07/14/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just to clarify my posistion...

I think hosting such a list on the Shroomery is a bad idea as well.
For the exact reasons that both psilocyber an Lana have stated.
And, my offer of an off-site page would have to be "Tactfully" presented :wink:
With careful attention to the wording of any comments!


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5858146 - 07/14/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i have to disagree with a few points if i read it right, i got the feeling some feel that having a list wouldn't hurt the company but instead purhaps help it.

my feeling on that is, as said before those who try these bad companys go there before they come to the shroomery....so apparently those of us here for the most part try the sponsers first and stay with them....therefore no bisness lost and no bisness gained from the "bad" places.

but there are some people here who did or have or will order from these companys and having a list i believe will help stop or prevent such a thing, and nobody here wants anyone to have a bad experience in a hobby that demands so much time and energy.

also having a list like this will help the sponsers which im sure some are worried about the opposite. because some might be considereing buying from bad places...they could see a page listing the very place and say oh dam i better order somewhere else, the shroomery saved me so ill try a sponser then. see what i mean?

anyways thats my 2 cents.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #5860332 - 07/14/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What good is doing research if everyone has been cowed into staying quiet about the scam sites? Research only works if the word is out there. Duh!

You guys, some of you are either insane or corrupt. Any sponsors with integrity here ought to be very happy to have a scam site list, because it helps set the sponsors apart as elite sources. Instead now I am seriously wondering if some of you sponsors are not running some of the scam sites as well, and playing both sides. You get the suckers on one site, and the regular business on the


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5860347 - 07/14/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

... on the other.

Seems my post was cut off.

My question is why is integrity so suspect around here?


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: rikjoh]
    #5860432 - 07/15/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Here it is, I just finished compiling the list...




POSSIBLE SCAM SITES!!
- Any site that IS NOT a Shroomery Sponsor.


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Re: Shroomery should list known scam sites. [Re: InjectTruth]
    #5861799 - 07/15/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

InjectTruth said:
Here it is, I just finished compiling the list...




              POSSIBLE SCAM SITES!!
              - Any site that IS NOT a Shroomery Sponsor.





And I'll ask again , just because they are a sponsor , what means they can't be a "scam" site ?

I guess no one remembers Mycoshack .

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