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ngnyus
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O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but...
#5848485 - 07/11/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been respectful passionate about my beautiful datura plant and was wondering if even a small amount (maybe one leaf) in an aya brew would be stupid. I'm no shaman, thus have so far only appreciated the beauty of this plant, but I have learned more of god through my garden than I ever had in the buddhist monastery or bible college. I AM NOT A TEENAGER LOOKING TO GET FUCKED UP, but have been curious about this plant for years. Does anyone out there entertain my same curiosity?
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... *DELETED* [Re: ngnyus]
#5848529 - 07/11/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... *DELETED* [Re: pod3]
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Jaeger
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: EdgarAllanPoe55]
#5848629 - 07/11/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know they aren't too related, but it can't hurt to ask. Have you tried any other dissociates? K? DXM in higher dosages? Amanitas? Datura is said by many to be far, far more potent, and scary than the other disassociates. If you do find enjoyment/enlightenment in these substances, then maybe datura would be for you. (Again, I know it is hard to relate substances, but datura is very powerful by all accounts; and carries great dangers if you are not ready)
Or if nothing else, try the leaf by itself first. Keep in mind some people are very allergic to Atropine (I personally know someone) Whatever you decide, good luck and be safe!
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ngnyus
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: EdgarAllanPoe55]
#5848631 - 07/11/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey pod3, less than one leaf, huh, sounds like you may be a little more informed than me, could you elaborate, and I wasn't meaning to say teenagers are dumb, but there are a lot of people simply looking to get high, which isn't what I seek. Oh yeah, "faith is the evidence of things unseen", and to seek it is to know it IMHOP, but this is the wrong forum for that can of worms.
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: ngnyus]
#5848641 - 07/11/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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One leaf may be a small ammount, but atleast make sure you aren't allergic first.
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ngnyus
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: ngnyus]
#5848671 - 07/11/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Missed a couple of posts (I have to hunt and peck), I've tried every dissasociative I can think of, I have on hand 2 ounces of salvia 10x, along with multiple other plants and extracts I'd rather not mention, and the reason for this post was for my next ayahuasca journey, I am quite a green thumb, and like I implyed earlier, I specialize growing the plants that I suspect as being the "tree of knowledge of good and evil", and I own 2 acres in which I grow them, so I'm no newbie to the world of etheogens.
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Edited by ngnyus (07/11/06 09:11 PM)
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: Jaeger]
#5848749 - 07/11/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jaeger said: I know they aren't too related, but it can't hurt to ask. Have you tried any other dissociates? K? DXM in higher dosages? Amanitas?
Datura is a deliriant, not a dissociative.
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ngnyus
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: Aopocetx]
#5848759 - 07/11/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could you repost edgar, unless it's just me but I can't read your post past the quote.
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... *DELETED* [Re: ngnyus]
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ngnyus
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: EdgarAllanPoe55]
#5848801 - 07/11/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMOP it was forbidden because we did not have that knowledge, now we do, metaphor or not the reason we were expelled from the garden was not so we would not eat of this plant again, but so we would not eat of the tree of everlasting life and become like god. (Ya, I know, wrong forum)
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: ngnyus]
#5848901 - 07/11/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Datura-like plants are added to traditional brews pretty commonly. VERY small amounts are used.
I have had the pleasure to try one and a half leaves or so in a batch of ayahuasca after taking a syrian rue concoction. I could not consume the whole amount of viridis tea BECAUSE THE DATURA IN IT MADE ME COME UP SO VERY FAST, AND IN A VERY WEIRD WAY.... The trip was extreemely intense and the datura seemed to work with the dmt very well. I experienced no delerium but did experience slight dissociative qualities(along with the synergy between dat. and dmt). Just the type of a trip that I wouldnt wish on my worst enemy, though I expected that. I have almost never tripped so hard in my life(and I never finished the brew). The experience was so meaningful, but very difficult.
I actually wouldnt recommend it to anyone. I basically tripped for weeks. Strongest after effects I have ever and will ever experience. The fact that I have had much stronger experiences with ayahuasca, and that this one is a little bit more strange says alot about how the additive datura can effect the trip. I used an amount that would not work very well by its self. It floored me when mixed with maois and dmt.
Its a slippery slope, and I wouldnt recommend anyone fuck around with it, especially if they had never used ayahuasca or datura seperately..
Thats the point where ayahuasca can actually get dangerous even if you abide by the dietary restrictions.
It was pretty out of this world and I never worried about my physical body. Only my mind. It was just as magical as a much higher dose of just maois and dmt, but harder to manage and very alien.
SO ya I would not recommend it even at the extreemely low dose I described.
Edited by stemmer (07/11/06 10:07 PM)
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: stemmer]
#5848984 - 07/11/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont go eating the plant first off.. Have selected foliage and flowers. Avoid the roots and seed/pods. It was explained to me that most plants are very differnt in strenth, So start small and slowly get to know how strong the plant you have is. If i wanted to try this plant I would start by smoking the flowers to see if I enjoyed it. Starting small is a big part of this journey.
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: Legoulash]
#5849110 - 07/11/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not going to try to stop you. at least you KNOW what youre about to do and can therefore take precautions.
im fairly sure in the end youre just going to realize its not a good idea. but ive seen MANY people consume it. and although ALL had incomparable, BIZZARE and out-of-control dark journeys ending up in strange places.
none died....
well, that is to say one fell naked down a flight of stairs in back of a store, another packed up all his things into bags in the living room and spoke gibberish on immaginary phones to his mom. Still another got into an argument with the siding on his house that turned to "swings" resulting in bloddy knuckes and missing yards of siding... one woke his father while trying to make coffee out of socks in his drawers. My best friend threw an imaginary party in his house while is parents watched him socialize with laundry hanging over chairs (must have been hippies) one guy spent the night strapped to a bed after he was found crawling on his belly around an intersection digging into the pavement with his fingernails, trying to pick up cigarettes. Oh, then there was the guy who grasped a knife by the blade and unkowinlgy sliced his hand all up while trying to fish tiny people out of a cup with the dull end.
dark, creepy, spotty, uncomfortable and downright hostile. one popular fellow Ive not personally met managed to scrawl "DATUR" on his arm before circumstances occured that culminated with him waking up from a coma 2 weeks later.
but hey, better to know right?
let me know what happens, i will add you to the list if it's good.
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: Mitchnast]
#5849180 - 07/11/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice list mitchnast, lol, I was actually hoping to find out a small amount that would only change/enhance the aya experience, as other admixtures do, but it seems that even a very small amount would probably change it into something that is unlike any aya brew I've dreamed of, thanx stemmer, that's exactly the kind of info I was looking for.
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: ngnyus]
#5849235 - 07/11/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey, stemmer, how strong were the after effects? I probably know better than to try it, but I would like to know, just in case a small leaf did flutter into a brewing pot some time down the road.
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: Mitchnast]
#5849261 - 07/11/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow Mitchnast, you must know alot of dumb folks that have taken datura. People like that just should not take datura.
It can be controlled though it is harder than with most drugs. You have to know your dose, and know what you are doing with the trip.
Its true most people dont like it, but a surprizing amount of people can find a good use for it. SUch as the low doses used in ayahuasca brews.
If a 9 year old aspiring shaman can handle it in the middle of the jungle, and considers it to be his favorite tool, some people can experience it, enjoy it, and learn from it. Its not meant to get high off of. If you act like an idiot on any dose of mushrooms/do lots of stupid shit, you are not meant to take datura of all things. Thats for sure.
Every story you mentioned is the equivalent to people jumping out of windows when on lsd. IF you know hallucinogens, and are not a ridiculous person with no inhibitions(capable of some very stupid shit), it can be a managable drug. A VERY unique drug.
NOT TO BE USED BY IDIOTS. If you take enough you can bet your ass its dangerous. If you use it with maois and dmt, you better know what you are doing. If you take 3-4 grams of rue and 1-2 tbsp's of datura seed(you could die for example), I would hate to see what would happen to just about anybody. Smart people dont do that. People who know their shit know how little it takes, and how fine the line is between an interesting trip and a visit to the hospital.
The goal is to not be driven mad like the people described by Mitchnast. Thats why you need to know what you are doing, BIG TIME, especially when using any amount of it with maois and dmt.
Mitchnast, you might as well add me to the "list". You might not look like such an ignorant person who wants to demonize a drug that is used safely by alot of people, and has been for thousands of years.
Yes you can slip into coma, or do something VERY stupid. I just depends on how much you eat.
Im just tired of hearing opinions about this drug from people who obviously know almost nothing about it.
SOme tropane plants are more ideal by the way. They are all a bit different. NOT TO BE USED TO SIMPLY TRIP YOUR BALLS OFF. A little goes a long way... Its definately a poison in a way. Thats for sure. Thats why it doesnt work as well with the physical body as most hallucinogens. Less is more, no hospital visit.
Its not for people who just want to trip or have a long-ass lsd or mushroom-like experience. It pretty damn dangerous if you dont know what you are doing. It also NOTHING like any other type of drug, and if you took enough of it you might not end up in the hospital, but you could go mad for quite some time. Take enough it will alter the way your brain works, possibly forever, to a point you are not comfortable with one bit.
Maois and SMALL amounts of datura can be a good thing. If you misuse the two regardless of the amount of dmt used you could be in some VERY serious trouble. When it comes to maois and datura-like plants, it gets very serious. For most users of psychedelics, the mix is a no-no.
Edited by stemmer (07/12/06 12:03 AM)
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Re: O.K. I know all the warnings I'm gonna get but... [Re: Mitchnast]
#5849493 - 07/12/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mitchnast said:
one popular fellow Ive not personally met managed to scrawl "DATUR" on his arm before circumstances occured that culminated with him waking up from a coma 2 weeks later.
I wish I could find this post. I've tried 100000 times, but its lost forever, I guess...
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