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Question about etheogens
    #5846702 - 07/11/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Does anyone have any idea what a person would experience with low/med/high levels of each one of the following ingested at the same time: Amanita Muscaria, Pilocybe Cubensis, Syrian Rue, and Opium Poppy? Has anyone tried or heard of anyone trying this combination of plants?
Thanks for any help with someone who is very intrigued.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5846795 - 07/11/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5846846 - 07/11/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Does anyone have any idea what a person would experience with low/med/high levels of each one of the following ingested at the same time: Amanita Muscaria, Pilocybe Cubensis, Syrian Rue, and Opium Poppy? Has anyone tried or heard of anyone trying this combination of plants?
Thanks for any help with someone who is very intrigued.




I had an amazing experience with the first 3. Be careful, humble and prepared, you will probably enter the second attention and you must be impeccable there.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5847243 - 07/11/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

what do you mean the second attention?


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5847250 - 07/11/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5847267 - 07/11/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

can you provide me a link to explain what you are referring to?


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5847303 - 07/11/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Does syrian rue really work with amanitas?


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5847326 - 07/11/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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can you provide me a link to explain what you are referring to?




If you don't know what I'm talking about, you shouldn't do what you are planning to do. What is your experience with entheogens?


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5850017 - 07/12/06 07:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well Right now my experience with etheogens is strictly pscilocyn, strongest dose was 5 grams which was fun but i wont do again, but that recipe is taken from James Arthurs book.  I have been reading alot about mushrooms and religion and am intrigued by shamanism.  So if you could be so kind as to provide me a link for research i would greatly appreciate it.
I do not plan on taking this combination without direction with both a botanist and a mycologist or a specialist with psychoactive substances, which hopefully i will find on here, and I will definitely have someone keeping a close eye and documenting what they see as well as myself documenting what I see with a tape recorder.  If I can source the funds I would also like to videotape the experience.  I don’t plan on doing this for a while so any information I can gather beforehand that would help my understanding would be very much appreciated.  I’m a very open minded individual that has a new found passion for science(mycology), which has led me to religion, politics, and spirituality.

[edit] let me clarify, the reason i ask for a link and not search myself because i currently only have internet access at work, i work for my mother whom has already had me arrested.  She is very closed minded and will beleive anything she is told. In addition i'm supposed to be working  :grin:


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5850914 - 07/12/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well its been a slow day at work so i did a little searching and discovered that your spirituality sub forum is full of garbage. A biased search engine would yeild better results...


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5851034 - 07/12/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Most forums are full of garbage, even this one. Did you look at
philosophy and spirituality or the mysticism forum?


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5851123 - 07/12/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

though, this is a controversial subject, I believe that THIS Is one of the first proper steps for those without direct contact with a spiritual guide who are interested in shamanism to take.


I would like to add that I misread your list of hypothetical entheogens to combine. I have never taken Syrian Rue with Aminitas and I would be very careful about that combination. I have taken Hawaiian Woodrose with Aminitas, not Syrian rue.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5851211 - 07/12/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Well its been a slow day at work so i did a little searching and discovered that your spirituality sub forum is full of garbage. A biased search engine would yeild better results...




One often has to sift through much useless material before finding some of worth. Don't knock what is provided for you for free. If you put in the time, you may find what you're after. Besides, you might find answers to questions you haven't thought to ask yet.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5857169 - 07/14/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
though, this is a controversial subject, I believe that  THIS Is one of the first proper steps for those without direct contact with a spiritual guide who are interested in shamanism to take.


I would like to add that I misread your list of hypothetical entheogens to combine. I have never taken Syrian Rue with Aminitas and I would be very careful about that combination. I have taken Hawaiian Woodrose with Aminitas, not Syrian rue.




Book is in the mail.  Thanks for the help. :mushroom2:


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5857181 - 07/14/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but carlos castaneda is widely considered
a fake.Many believe he made up the whole thing.So reading fiction won't
be very helpful.


Edited by 905 (07/14/06 07:35 AM)


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: 905]
    #5857331 - 07/14/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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905 said:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but carlos castaneda is widely considered
a fake.Many believe he made up the whole thing.So reading fiction won't
be very helpful.




You obviously have never used the teachings AS TEACHINGS, and practiced the lessons. There will always be naysayers, but the methods WORK. There is no doubt about that in those who practice them.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5857446 - 07/14/06 09:23 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i too thought many things were impossible until i tried mushrooms...
Its very easy to discredit something you havent tried. It cant hurt me to read a book so why not enlighten myself. Have you ever asked yourself


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5858418 - 07/14/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

905 said:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but carlos castaneda is widely considered
a fake.Many believe he made up the whole thing.So reading fiction won't
be very helpful.




You obviously have never used the teachings AS TEACHINGS, and practiced the lessons. There will always be naysayers, but the methods WORK. There is no doubt about that in those who practice them.




A lot of people say the same things about Scientology in order to dismiss the problems with Hubbard's creditials/stories. The source of the information is important.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5858431 - 07/14/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

905 said:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but carlos castaneda is widely considered
a fake.Many believe he made up the whole thing.So reading fiction won't
be very helpful.




You obviously have never used the teachings AS TEACHINGS, and practiced the lessons. There will always be naysayers, but the methods WORK. There is no doubt about that in those who practice them.




The source of the information is important.




WHY?


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5858436 - 07/14/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5858582 - 07/14/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Opium poppy does not belong in that group. Its in a different ballpark.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5858683 - 07/14/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ok not to offend anyone but dont you think i have the ability to form my own opinions about life? both viewpoints have been adresses please dont let this turn into a pissing match. I thank you all for the information and i consider the question i had asked answered. Thank you very much.
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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5859336 - 07/14/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Opium is a totally different drug, the effects are mostly from the morphine. It is completely different from the drugs here, it isn't usually classified as an entheogen, though I guess any drug can be considered that. People usually think opium is a lot different than what it really is. When I took it, I thought it was almost the same as morphine, though a mild dose of morphine will produce effects the same as what they call opium dreams (heroin does the same thing), which is really just wierd dreams, it isn't really psychedelic or a hallucinogen, though it can cause hallucinations. I din't mean to turn this into a pissing match, I probally should have posted a little more to explain myself.

Oh and if a high dose of opium is ingested in this combo, it will most likely be dulled, but might make you more euphoric and might reduce the anxiety, just remeber though, most of the opium sold in the US is fake, I don't know were your from but don't buy it in the US unless you know the grower, or you are the grower. Exception of course is poppy tea. I never took amanita, but I don't think mixing them with this combo would be a good idea because it can make you sick, which would really be bad while your tripping. Also don't take syrian rue with opium cause its an MAOI, and could lead to an OD. Also probally not a good idea to mix with mushrooms unless you're experienced using MAOIs and psychedelics.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5862436 - 07/15/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the conisderation. As i'm unsure of dosage at the moment i will definitely talk to people who have used them individually and if i cant find anyone who has done this i would probably try dividing the individual dosage by 10 to start. The pissing match was not directed any one response or person i just dont want to see a good thread go to waist.


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Re: Question about etheogens [Re: StroFun]
    #5863432 - 07/15/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I still think you shouldn't mix amanita and p.X mushrooms, unless you have experience with them. I think you should have some experience with all the individual drugs before you mix them also. Just my thouggts though.


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