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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: quiver]
    #5847508 - 07/11/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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quiver said:
i'd be speaking japanese if it wasn't for those men with 'morals like islamic terrorists' sight seeing in the enola gay

hahaha who am i kidding,i wouldnt exist



Why would you be speaking Japanese? Would your parents have moved to Japan were it not for the radiation? Or why wouldn't you exist? Was sex between your parents contingent upon the use of nuclear weapons? Japan was defeated, they had been driven back. Japan was willing to surrender with conditions, the U.S. wanted unconditional surrender. The funny (or not) thing is that after they surrendered, we allowed them the conditions that they wanted.

However, you miss the point entirely. Iraq never attacked the U.S. Iraq had no capabilities to harm the U.S. I said,
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ANYONE who promotes the laying to waste of a country, which is not a threat, with nuclear weapons (the most destructive and indiscriminate weapons in modern arsenals) is on the same moral level as the Islamic terrorists.




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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5847542 - 07/11/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

japan was on its way here to bomb/attack our women and children while our men were in europe,the US destroyed them in the pacific ocean
there were starving jap soldiers raping and pillaging their way down to us through indonesia
they bombed darwin and were trying to poison our dams
they deserved what they got and yes,the conditions they got sucked.we should be living in japan now,fuck knows how they turned that one around

iraq wasnt a threat?
'bring it on,this will be the mother of all wars'...who said that again?


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: quiver]
    #5847557 - 07/11/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Japan was different than Iraq, and as I stated previously, Japan was already driven back, they were defeated and willing to surrender. Iraq was not a threat. I have cut and pasted the following from another thread. Perhaps you could enlighten us with infromation that would prove that Iraq was a threat to the U.S. ...

1) Tell us about Iraq's air force, it's long range bombers, payloads and available munitions. Tell us about their fighter aircraft and helicopters.

2) Tell us about Iraq's navy, including troop carriers, submarines, aircraft carriers and battle ships.

3) Tell us about Iraq's ICBMs their range, payload, and warheads.

4) Tell us about Iraq's modern army, the number and kind of tanks they used, targeting systems training and weapons.

5) Tell us about Iraq's brilliant military minds and how they single handedly defeated Iran in a matter of days.

6) Compare the above with U.S. forces, Israeli forces, British forces, Chinese forces, Russian forces.

7) Lastly, tell us how Iraq's military capabilites had improved in comparison to the above nation's forces since the start of the first Gulf War, after over a decade of sanctions and daily air sorties by the U.S.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5847618 - 07/11/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i can tell you about the kurds...mustard and nerve gas but it seems al-jazeera.co m has convinced you otherwise
there's really no point in trying to change my mind,i know a few iraqi families,actually grew up with them(they were refugees for some reason,something to do with being christian they told me)...stick to bullshitting kids,i spose its better than killing them outright :thumbup:


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5847731 - 07/11/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Trepiodos said:
Japan was different than Iraq, and as I stated previously, Japan was already driven back, they were defeated and willing to surrender.  Iraq was not a threat.  I have cut and pasted the following from another thread.  Perhaps you could enlighten us with infromation that would prove that Iraq was a threat to the U.S. ...

1) Tell us about Iraq's air force, it's long range bombers, payloads and available munitions. Tell us about their fighter aircraft and helicopters.

2) Tell us about Iraq's navy, including troop carriers, submarines, aircraft carriers and battle ships.

3) Tell us about Iraq's ICBMs their range, payload, and warheads.

4) Tell us about Iraq's modern army, the number and kind of tanks they used, targeting systems training and weapons.

5) Tell us about Iraq's brilliant military minds and how they single handedly defeated Iran in a matter of days.

6) Compare the above with U.S. forces, Israeli forces, British forces, Chinese forces, Russian forces.

7) Lastly, tell us how Iraq's military capabilites had improved in comparison to the above nation's forces since the start of the first Gulf War, after over a decade of sanctions and daily air sorties by the U.S.




You are missing the point.
No one doubts how silly Iraq's former military force was (with exception to the units close to Saddam) I remember seeing the Iraqis still using T-72 tanks when we took over Baghdad.......the threat of Saddam was his capability AND willingness to abed and help potential terrorists fight UNCONVENTIONAL warfare. Eliminating his regime is one of many steps that needed to take place. To bad we did not conduct he war properly. :sad:


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5847758 - 07/11/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

#6 is a dead giveaway


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5847797 - 07/11/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that Saddam needed to be liquidated, however their are many despotic nations that could abade and help terrorists, Chechnya,Bosnia,North Korea,Pakistan,Iran and other rouge states.

Saddam had been pretty much neutralized and relegated to the area
surrounded by no fly zones.


Saddam by the late 90's was 1/10th of its original size after it got done with the Iran war and desert storm and the shiite and kurdish revolts, it left Saddam in a very weakened state. The only way Saddam could hold leverage over his country was acknowleding he had WMD's or itleast not telling people he didnt have them.

This was PR to keep neighbor Iran from ever launching attacks on Iran.

I think the situation with Iraq is much more deadly now, if not on a level of attrition but on the amount of resources committed to Iraq and that is being expended at a massive rate, 20 or 30 billion something dollars just to repair Vehicles.

I dont think economically the US and its economy could handle Iraq for another 3 or 4 years.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5847877 - 07/11/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure I agree......
with how much money is being spent in Iraq currently....why is the US economy in a position of strength right now?


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5848701 - 07/11/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not sure I agree......
with how much money is being spent in Iraq currently....why is the US economy in a position of strength right now?




It maybe in a position of strength, economically speaking, but the money that is earmarked for military is budgeted, and if the budget is exceeded then they need to find the money some other way (IE. cutting social programs and other things)

To me i think that all the spending we are doing right now, and things to come like natural disasters, Politics always being local will sometime, like Vietnam have a massive "Iraqification" if you will to bring the troops home


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: quiver]
    #5849808 - 07/12/06 03:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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japan was on its way here to bomb/attack our women and children while our men were in europe




Is it just me or is that total bullshit? We didn't send our men to europe until AFTER pearl harbor. How was japan "on its way here" again? I remember watching a H channel show, where one of the japanese generals was talking about invading america, and one of the other men at the meeting countered his idea by saying "If you invade america you will find a rifle behind every blade of grass". The idea of american invading was quickly dismissed before it got off the ground.

What they did do, however, was strike at our pacific navy fleet to try and keep us out of their area. It was a tactical military strike on our ability to wage sea warfare. There was no "attacking of our women and children" of any sort about to happen, nor would we be speaking japanese in any sort of morbid worst case scenario fantasy you can come up with.

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soldiers raping and pillaging their way down to us through indonesia




Define "us"? They were going to rape and pillage their way to north america by going through indonesia? How many years was this suppose to take? Or do you mean attack our military stationed in south east asia? If so you shouldn't cast a blanket "us" when referring to the military.

And last but not least.

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iraq wasnt a threat?
'bring it on,this will be the mother of all wars'...who said that again?




Bravado does not constitute a threat. When standing among the bullies in the school yard one must not come across as weak regardless of how weak they are. You have to show some balls and that was exactly what he was doing in that statement; trying to show some balls.

Iraq was not a threat to a damn thing other than the stock markets cause he had the ability to flood the market with oil or switch his oil from being traded from dollars to euros, which in fact he had planed prior to the war, ironic isn't it?

But I'm not going to sit here and tell you how much of a non-existent threat iraq was because like you said, you mind is already made up. But I just had to point out your knowledge of history could use alot of work, what you know of ww2 and what actually happened are quite different. You should turn on the history channel sometime.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5849815 - 07/12/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

have you ever heard of australia?
check it out,we're on the map!


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5850151 - 07/12/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see how the no-fly zones could have diminished Saddam's regime in any way, they were mostly designed to protect Shi'ites and Kurds.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5850449 - 07/12/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RosettaStoned said:
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japan was on its way here to bomb/attack our women and children while our men were in Europe




Is it just me or is that total bullshit? We didn't send our men to Europe until AFTER pearl harbor. How was japan "on its way here" again? I remember watching a H channel show, where one of the Japanese generals was talking about invading America, and one of the other men at the meeting countered his idea by saying "If you invade America you will find a rifle behind every blade of grass". The idea of American invading was quickly dismissed before it got off the ground.

What they did do, however, was strike at our pacific navy fleet to try and keep us out of their area. It was a tactical military strike on our ability to wage sea warfare. There was no "attacking of our women and children" of any sort about to happen, nor would we be speaking Japanese in any sort of morbid worst case scenario fantasy you can come up with.

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soldiers raping and pillaging their way down to us through Indonesia




Define "us"? They were going to rape and pillage their way to north America by going through Indonesia? How many years was this suppose to take? Or do you mean attack our military stationed in south east Asia? If so you shouldn't cast a blanket "us" when referring to the military.

And last but not least.

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Iraq wasn't a threat?
'bring it on,this will be the mother of all wars'...who said that again?




Bravado does not constitute a threat. When standing among the bullies in the school yard one must not come across as weak regardless of how weak they are. You have to show some balls and that was exactly what he was doing in that statement; trying to show some balls.

Iraq was not a threat to a damn thing other than the stock markets cause he had the ability to flood the market with oil or switch his oil from being traded from dollars to Eros, which in fact he had planed prior to the war, ironic isn't it?

But I'm not going to sit here and tell you how much of a non-existent threat Iraq was because like you said, you mind is already made up. But I just had to point out your knowledge of history could use alot of work, what you know of ww2 and what actually happened are quite different. You should turn on the history channel sometime.




He is from Australia, and we(Canada) like them are part of the commonwealth, which means we are all strong allies with Briton. So shortly after WWII started, most of our troops were in England. That's why if Japan had of left pearl harbor and just focused on the area, Japan would have conquered Australia. With out those A-bombs, Japan would have never surrendered.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5850904 - 07/12/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well it does not show he is from australia below his name, so I assumed he was referring to north america. How ever, saying without the bomb they wouldn't have surrendered has already been proven wrong. Without the bomb they wouldn't have "unconditionally" surrendered, yes. But like someone has already shown, japan was willing to surrender on terms. Before we dropped the bomb, we had already defeated their navy and had pure air superiority. Japan had already crawled back the mainland for the most part. Except for the few islands were they were dug in. They were in a fully defensive mode, the expansion had ended.

Weather the bomb use was justified depends on your point of view. There is no black and white "we had to use the bomb" kind of thing. Either way, japan was defeated and the war was over. And also has already been pointed out, once they surrendered unconditionally, we then turned around and allowed them conditions.

What I find amusing about ww2's effect on these times, is how people still cling to it like america should still be thanked daily for it. Well for you people who still like to say things like "we'd be speaking german if it wasn't for the usa" I ask you, who left in our govt was around when ww2 actually happened? Who left of our leaders had a hand in stopping the nazis and the japanese?

None. So stop touting ww2 as some reason why america can do no wrong, for the people in power now didn't have a damn thing to do with it. Any past glories that america had from ww2 are long since gone and you can no longer credit the US with bring peace and stability to the world. Most of the world who has peace and stability does so on it's own accord, having a battle fleet there doesn't make it magically because of US protection. For as you can plainly see, people who want to fight will fight no matter how much the odds are against them.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5850918 - 07/12/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not giving the current administration ANY credit for Americas actions in WWII. I haven't taken much notice to people giving America a free ride due to their past, I see the opposite. Huge criticism from most people. I am from Canada though, so I don't talk to anyone who supports the war.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5850974 - 07/12/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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ANYONE who promotes the laying to waste of a country, which is not a threat, with nuclear weapons (the most destructive and indiscriminate weapons in modern arsenals) is on the same moral level as the Islamic terrorists.





Then,

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i'd be speaking japanese if it wasn't for those men with 'morals like islamic terrorists' sight seeing in the enola gay




Exactly what I mean. WW2 doesn't have a thing to do with the current conflict in regards to weather nuclear weapons should be considered. And citing the use of them in japan as a means to justify their usage now is absurd.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5850992 - 07/12/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I could argue that since the choice of the Americans in WWII turned out to be a good one(entering the war, using nukes can be argued about whether it was good or not) maybe their present and future choices will turn out to be good(from the world's perspective). Like you said though, this administration is very different from the one of WWII.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5851156 - 07/12/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, 5 years after pearl harbor, how many people thought it was set up by the govt? Now how many people think 9/11 was set up by the govt? Major differences there. WW2 was easily viewed as a right and just thing to enter. We were protecting our allies from absolute and utter devastation. We are hardly protecting anyone from utter devastation, in fact we are causing it. (directly or indirectly depending on your perspective)

However, I sincerely would hope that no one here would try to argue the "history will judge us" line. I think we are all more intelligent than that.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: Trepiodos]
    #5851758 - 07/12/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Trepiodos said:
Japan was defeated, they had been driven back. Japan was willing to surrender with conditions, the U.S. wanted unconditional surrender. The funny (or not) thing is that after they surrendered, we allowed them the conditions that they wanted.




False, revisionist history.

Read "Japan's Longest Day" or search some posts on the subject in this forum.


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Re: Tuesday terror: Six blasts rock Mumbai railway statio, as long as it furthers there cause....ns [Re: d33p]
    #5851879 - 07/12/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Then I guess the history channel is revisionist also? I watched a show called just that "japan's longest day". And they detailed how we had bombed the last of the oil supplies, eliminated their navy and pushed what was left of their military back to the mainland and a few close and well dug in islands. That = driven back.

And I would also wager allowing their much loved emperor to continue to breathe and work to rebuild a new govt is a pretty damn big concession. There were also talking of surrender but the US would not stop short of unconditional.

What part of that again is revisionist?


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